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Congrats Allies. Eugen is this really what you want? Such an unbalanced game?
I'm so surprised by content of new DLC after I see it. The current 10v10 balance is horrible already. But new DLC even make it worse.

Allies got everything now, they can rush at A phase, they have plenty of 17-pdr, they control air all the time, their artys are overwhelming, they also got lots of powerful tanks more than ever. (Firefly, Hellcat, Achilles, Challenger and more than you can ever imagine)

At the same time, Axis got broken heart soldiers, expensive and useless tanks. Some players might be excited by Knispel. What if I tell you most inf of 16 Luftwaffe are heartbroken? Besides, 716 Infanterie don't have any tank, not even one card.

I think allies infantry and tanks will be more unstoppable after new DLC release. I do have some suggestions about balance that I could provide.
Firstly, 17-pdr range should be 1750 rather than 2000. 2000 is too far, and in this DLC allies don't lack 17-pdr or powerful tanks anymore. Tiger, Panther, even KingTiger is just a joke in front of so many anti tank methods.
Secondly, at least MG34 should be able to shoot when inf is moving. Grenadier is totally trash facing allied inf now. Grenadier just get suppressed and surrender. It's basically impossible to win in fight. Not to mention allies usually have cars around.

These are my suggestions for now. I don't know if you would take my suggestions but I believe we all want this game to be better and more balanced.
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You insult about "high school understanding" while it is you that just base your argument on the result you want and not on the merits of the actual situation in itself. You want a certain outcome so you do mental gymnastics on Olympic level to get to your conclusions.
You even aren't inherently consistent with your own flawed logic. Because somehow attacking Soviet was ok because they had "plans" that they hadn't acted upon on Europe other than Poland but it was not ok for France and Britain to act because of the "plans Germany had.

And yes I condemn Germany for imperialism. Imperialism and expansion for power is to be condemned rightfully.

So you then use whataboutism to deflect the horrors the German Reich did with "yeah but other also did bad things". Yeah that doesn't absolve you. I can't go around and rob a bank and say "yeah but there are people that are murderers so its ok". One of your argument isnt even based on events of the time but of a historical event in the case of US.


Your goalpost moving about when the war started is just you who arbitrarily decide when you think the war started. As I said if Germany would just have not attacked Poland or surrendered to Britain and France there would be no war. See the second point is on the same level as your argument. It could as well be Italy that started the war as if they didnt declare against the allies the war would be a local war. See how your logic isnt working?

So you say Britain and France was going to go to war against them? They just won a war recently against Germany where the terms of peace was according to their liking. Why were they going to war? This is just some silly imagining.



Ok so German culture is dying because people dont think of famous figures the way you want them to? So by german culture you mean "People should think like me or otherwise they are killing german culture because I am the arbiter to decide what is german culture"
Culture develop and isnt static. The current generation have get a full historical view of these figures and then get to make their opinion. Sure few historical figures hold up to modern morals and therefore these people are often viewed as such. No culture war here.
Its like saying "If you dont like Angela Merkel you are killing German culture". Which is a silly take. But its all aligned with how your "logic" works.

So you try to say its poor just because it isnt aligned with your political ideas.
Sorry but you are a textbook example of "Not too intelligent but cant accept it so move into conspiracies to trick themselves they know better." Just because you read some disproven manifesto doesnt make you know things.
You clearly dont understand the situation outside of what you have read by some false takes. The world isnt flat. You havent done any analysis at all. You have decided you dont like the outcome of facts so you try to figure out how to angle events so that you can fantasise up takes that lead to your predetermined outcome. No one but disproven conspiracy theories hold the "takes" you have and you cant point to any serious source for any of your ideas.

Also because you lose games to fireflies doesnt make them broken. The testing team and the wider community understands they are in a decently well balanced point.
The game isnt a 2km AT game. Only on niche open maps are these game deciding.
Цитата допису Odysseus:
♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ nonsense
Never accuse anyone else of 'schizoposting' ever again
Remember when Hitler fumbled the war then k***ed himself? Sucks to suck @odysseus
Цитата допису Allot:
Цитата допису Odysseus:
SNIP



You insult about "high school understanding" while it is you that just base your argument on the result you want and not on the merits of the actual situation in itself. You want a certain outcome so you do mental gymnastics on Olympic level to get to your conclusions.
You even aren't inherently consistent with your own flawed logic. Because somehow attacking Soviet was ok because they had "plans" that they hadn't acted upon on Europe other than Poland but it was not ok for France and Britain to act because of the "plans Germany had.

And yes I condemn Germany for imperialism. Imperialism and expansion for power is to be condemned rightfully.

So you then use whataboutism to deflect the horrors the German Reich did with "yeah but other also did bad things". Yeah that doesn't absolve you. I can't go around and rob a bank and say "yeah but there are people that are murderers so its ok". One of your argument isnt even based on events of the time but of a historical event in the case of US.


Your goalpost moving about when the war started is just you who arbitrarily decide when you think the war started. As I said if Germany would just have not attacked Poland or surrendered to Britain and France there would be no war. See the second point is on the same level as your argument. It could as well be Italy that started the war as if they didnt declare against the allies the war would be a local war. See how your logic isnt working?

So you say Britain and France was going to go to war against them? They just won a war recently against Germany where the terms of peace was according to their liking. Why were they going to war? This is just some silly imagining.



Ok so German culture is dying because people dont think of famous figures the way you want them to? So by german culture you mean "People should think like me or otherwise they are killing german culture because I am the arbiter to decide what is german culture"
Culture develop and isnt static. The current generation have get a full historical view of these figures and then get to make their opinion. Sure few historical figures hold up to modern morals and therefore these people are often viewed as such. No culture war here.
Its like saying "If you dont like Angela Merkel you are killing German culture". Which is a silly take. But its all aligned with how your "logic" works.

So you try to say its poor just because it isnt aligned with your political ideas.
Sorry but you are a textbook example of "Not too intelligent but cant accept it so move into conspiracies to trick themselves they know better." Just because you read some disproven manifesto doesnt make you know things.
You clearly dont understand the situation outside of what you have read by some false takes. The world isnt flat. You havent done any analysis at all. You have decided you dont like the outcome of facts so you try to figure out how to angle events so that you can fantasise up takes that lead to your predetermined outcome. No one but disproven conspiracy theories hold the "takes" you have and you cant point to any serious source for any of your ideas.

Also because you lose games to fireflies doesnt make them broken. The testing team and the wider community understands they are in a decently well balanced point.
The game isnt a 2km AT game. Only on niche open maps are these game deciding.
drag that neonazi bro
Цитата допису Shortpower:
Цитата допису Odysseus:

Who said jews "didnt need to resist being murdered"? There was very obviously a conflict between the jewish community and The State of Germany, do you not agree both have a right to settle this dispute by whatever means necessary? Partisanship is a warcime, but I wouldnt hold it against the jews and you shouldnt either, likewise, of the same token it is hard to condemn the men charged with fighting partisans. You have this bizarre impression wars, especially ones of an existential nature (Germans literally believed in a jewish plot to enslave Germany, and jews saw a German plot to throw them out of Europe), are somehow supposed to be pleasant to imagine.
Why wouldnt such a conflict be an ugly thing?
I think you should read what the holocaust museum has to say on the matter of pogroms against the jewish community, often times the people embraced the Germans as liberators because they associated the jewish community with the oppressive commissars due to an over-representation. If you think there was little to no sentiment against the jewish community you should take it up with the holocaust museum which lays out some of the explanations for why jews were among the targeted groups and not just by Germany.
jews were not "murdered" they were not apart of the German state, they did not fall under the protections obliged by the German government, therefore, murder, a legal term, can not apply to them. You can protest their conscripted labor and the partisan reprisals which disproportionately affected them, however to call it 'murder' is simply not supported by the data.
Being worked to death is not considered murder but rather a form of negligence at worst - otherwise anyone conscripted is a victim of murder as conscription is not optional.
But I know what youre going to say "it was intentional killing therefore it was murder in a sense beyond the legal one". Again the "intentional killing" was done by police groups fighting partisans, having had their fanaticism stoked engaged in extreme levels of anti-partisan activity.

The thing about partisan fighting is for it to be effective you have to target the groups the partisans conceal themselves in. Again, who said this was a pleasant thing?

Yes Germany did intentionally kill fewer civilians, wikipedia does not have reliable data on intentional civilian casualties.
Peter Nicoll's: Britain's Blunder has better data and goes into much greater detail. You should give it a read, Germany did in fact kill, both intentionally and as collateral fewer civilians.

Its not me "thinking" Poland isnt a real country. It was literally not a real country until the Entente carved up Germany. You wont find any Poland on a map before 1919 ever. They went from the medieval Slavic chiefdoms to the Polish-German fiefdoms, to Poland-Lithuania, to Prussian Poland, and then finally, artificially, they were given what you today call 'Poland'.
I dont think it was right what the Germans did to the Poles, but they never tried to destroy Poland in the way the West is still destroying Germany.
You lack nuance in your assessment.

Why do you consider it fascism to admit man is an animal and like the animals he quarrels both with himself and other animals?
Do you not see mankind as an animal? Do you not see how peace is the anomaly and conflict - while not always persistent but ever looming - is almost a cultural norm?
Even in great abundance combat sports are popular, sports in general where there are clear winners and clear losers are popular.
Do you not think the long eons spent in the wild where the law of the jungle reigned had any effect on the psyche and disposition of mankind?
Those arent rhetorical, I really am curious as to how you view humanity as a whole.
Also, please refrain from passing judgement upon the human race, I am not saying you must abandon your own moral convictions by all means live by them however you should not let your level of analysis be clouded by notions of 'us vs them' or 'good vs bad' when looking at human history. You arent Egyptian or Roman or Persian or Aztec or 20th century German and they would find a lot about you offensive to them in the way you find various things about them offensive.

The Cold War era saw more than a hundred conflicts where millions perished over the course of 50 years. It was anything but "Cold". Cold to an American or Russian save for Vietnam and Afghanistan, but it wasnt cold to Cuba or South America, or Africa, or Afghanistan, or Vietnam, or China, or Korea, nor was it cold to the Europeans in the Hungarian uprising or the Romanian resistance.
You should dwell on the fact these are people's lives, not numbers. Men are not a peaceful race.

France was not an ally to Poland having no formal alliance with them. It was an anti-German pact not an alliance.
Furthermore France and England had no business in Poland, or Czechoslovakia. The Germans had extended every Olive Branch possible to the belligerent Poles who's corrupt government time and against refused to negotiate with Hitler in good faith.
The attempt on the life of the faux-state was the result of a decade of bad faith diplomacy on the part of the Poles.
Who were the British and French to deny Germany the restoration of German lands? Poland being a line in the sand is arbitrary as its outside the sphere of influence of Britain and France, furthermore, Hitler never lied or said "just this" he repeatedly state he sought to restore former Germany and to bring Germans back under German rule instead of being subject to minority rule.
The British and the French had no right to deny this.

Again, France was not defending the independence of an ally, we know this because they were more than happy to abandon Poland to much harsher regime which gave them less autonomy, imprisoned more of them, and punished more harshly smaller offenses.
France was using Poland as a cassus belli.
Your level of analysis is very poor and you seem to feel very strongly about things you know very little about.
The invasion of Poland was not an offense a great power.
The start of WWII, the escalation from a regional conflict to a global one was the Saar offensive.
You said 'selling another ally to death' what allies were sold to death? Were Czechs and Slovaks brutally repressed? Were the Austrians some hapless victim of German conquests as they cheered and supported reunification?
The French and British were not allied to Czechoslovakia - or to Poland. Czechoslovakia got off far easier than they deserved with the people responsible for anti-German action being permitted to retain far more power than they should have.
As for your analogy, why are france and england throwing matches onto fireworks?
Imma be real. I'm half awake at this point and only skimmed it. You got some double standards, bit of goalpost moving, and some outright braindead takes here:

1) The Jewish people can't be in conflict with Germany because it's a disorganized people with many not knowing one another, many not even practicing the religion or any such thing and are properly assimilated. Case and point, the policy to decide if someone was a Jew was entirely along ethnic lines based on an arbitrary 3 grandparents for Germans and 1 grandparent for nongermans (decided territorially) - this isn't a logical "conflict" policy. This is a hate filled decision to target civilians.

2) France and Britain picked up matches Germany lit by appeasing Hitler. They didn't realize he intended to keep dropping matches until there was an explosion. He said pretty much as much in all his private conversation and military speeches - he wanted and needed war.

Цитата допису Odysseus:
Its not me "thinking" Poland isnt a real country. It was literally not a real country until the Entente carved up Germany. You wont find any Poland on a map before 1919 ever. They went from the medieval Slavic chiefdoms to the Polish-German fiefdoms, to Poland-Lithuania, to Prussian Poland, and then finally, artificially, they were given what you today call 'Poland'.
3) "There was no Poland on the map... except the Poland's I mentioned but those don't count because I have double standards."

On your first point, samuel untermeyer a jewish community leader called for a 'holy war' against the State of Germany by the global jewish community. untermeyer would found The Focus which was a jewish lobbyist group petitioning the UK leadership for war with Germany.
Collective action does not require a formalized state, there are numerous examples of non-state entities taking action, many times aggressive action, that leads to conflict between two parties.
Your first point is very silly, conflict is obviously not solely found in formalized State-orchestrated wars.
The German policy was excessive but not hateful. the jewish community in Germany had significant numbers of people who were hostile to Germany and behaved in ways antithetical to the flourishing of the German people.
A cost-benefit analysis was made and determined the jewish community's detriments outweighed its benefits - this is not a debate for here, but you cant say its "hate". Its in a sense barbaric but its not a hateful policy.
Furthermore, all state declarations are "arbitrary" in a penultimate sense - again neither here nor there.

As for your second point.
Its ridiculous to consider equivocate with Hitler's restoration of Germany and re-assertion of German rule on German lands and liberation of German people to be "lighting matches".
If Hitler was lighting a match in the darkness of post-war Germany, then Britain was a malignant sorcerer immolating 30% of the planet.
It doesnt really matter what Hitler said but for the record, he said war between the European powers would be catastrophic and it was the thing he most wanted to avoid. In all his speeches and private conversations he always lamented the tension and conflict.
Acknowledging war as probable or necessary is not the same as being-pro war or wanting war.

For your third point.
Those aren't The "Poland" of 1939, if you want to talk about formal nation states and their right to sovereignty ok, but dont backpedal and equate informal pseudo-states or tribal confederations with formal nation-states.

The "Poland" you wax so poetic about was a post-war construction crafted solely to disperse German power and influence for the purpose of preventing the rise of a continental hegemon that could rival Britain's thalassocracy.
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Цитата допису Odysseus:
Who were the British and French to deny Germany the restoration of German lands? Poland being a line in the sand is arbitrary as its outside the sphere of influence of Britain and France, furthermore, Hitler never lied or said "just this" he repeatedly state he sought to restore former Germany and to bring Germans back under German rule instead of being subject to minority rule.
The British and the French had no right to deny this.

Then how do you justify the Fuhrer and his gang taking control of all of Czechoslovakia? Last time I checked those lands were never part of Germany.
Sudetenland was plurality if not Majority German, the rest of the faux-country was apart of The 'East-Realm' a historically state German which spoke German, practiced German customs, and was only divided from Germany by dynasty - not by State.
It can not be denied Austrians are a subset of German people. The division would be as absurd as saying those dwelling the Alps are not Germans but Bavarians, those dwelling along the Baltic are Prussian not German, or those along the great western River are Rhinelanders not Germans.
We do not know what Germany would have done in peace time without looming war to a place like Czechoslovakia but his wartime plans were more than charitable - so much so the British had to orchestrate the assassination of Reinhard Heydrich to actually drive a wedge between the Germans and the Slovaks.
In any case a military occupation was necessary to prevent further pogroms against the German people.
Well,, they won the war, didn't they?
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Цитата допису Shortpower:
Imma be real. I'm half awake at this point and only skimmed it. You got some double standards, bit of goalpost moving, and some outright braindead takes here:

1) The Jewish people can't be in conflict with Germany because it's a disorganized people with many not knowing one another, many not even practicing the religion or any such thing and are properly assimilated. Case and point, the policy to decide if someone was a Jew was entirely along ethnic lines based on an arbitrary 3 grandparents for Germans and 1 grandparent for nongermans (decided territorially) - this isn't a logical "conflict" policy. This is a hate filled decision to target civilians.

2) France and Britain picked up matches Germany lit by appeasing Hitler. They didn't realize he intended to keep dropping matches until there was an explosion. He said pretty much as much in all his private conversation and military speeches - he wanted and needed war.


3) "There was no Poland on the map... except the Poland's I mentioned but those don't count because I have double standards."

On your first point, samuel untermeyer a jewish community leader called for a 'holy war' against the State of Germany by the global jewish community. untermeyer would found The Focus which was a jewish lobbyist group petitioning the UK leadership for war with Germany.
Collective action does not require a formalized state, there are numerous examples of non-state entities taking action, many times aggressive action, that leads to conflict between two parties.
Your first point is very silly, conflict is obviously not solely found in formalized State-orchestrated wars.
The German policy was excessive but not hateful. the jewish community in Germany had significant numbers of people who were hostile to Germany and behaved in ways antithetical to the flourishing of the German people.
A cost-benefit analysis was made and determined the jewish community's detriments outweighed its benefits - this is not a debate for here, but you cant say its "hate". Its in a sense barbaric but its not a hateful policy.
Furthermore, all state declarations are "arbitrary" in a penultimate sense - again neither here nor there.

As for your second point.
Its ridiculous to consider equivocate with Hitler's restoration of Germany and re-assertion of German rule on German lands and liberation of German people to be "lighting matches".
If Hitler was lighting a match in the darkness of post-war Germany, then Britain was a malignant sorcerer immolating 30% of the planet.
It doesnt really matter what Hitler said but for the record, he said war between the European powers would be catastrophic and it was the thing he most wanted to avoid. In all his speeches and private conversations he always lamented the tension and conflict.
Acknowledging war as probable or necessary is not the same as being-pro war or wanting war.

For your third point.
Those aren't The "Poland" of 1939, if you want to talk about formal nation states and their right to sovereignty ok, but dont backpedal and equate informal pseudo-states or tribal confederations with formal nation-states.

The "Poland" you wax so poetic about was a post-war construction crafted solely to disperse German power and influence for the purpose of preventing the rise of a continental hegemon that could rival Britain's thalassocracy.
It was incredibly excessive. And it was Hitlers hateful rhetoric that caused samuel untermeyer to make the declaration, one he didn't make until Hitler already outlined his hatred for Jews in Mein Kampf and become the defacto leader of Germany. You need to ignore time tables for your nonsense. That also ignores that a pool of international elites cooperating isn't justification to kill anyone that was at least a quarter ethnically Jewish in Germany and any amount of Jewish ethnicity outside.

Britain had a history of Conquest and colonialism which is bad, but in the timeframe of the 30's and 40's it is German aggression that puts the world at war. Hitler made repeated and continual demands and admitted repeatedly to his personal aids and military officials that he sought war. The difference here is I haven't defended British colonialism or the American genocide of the natives, they are still gross behaviors of history that should be denounced. You keep pointing to them as if it's some sort of "gotcha!" while using double standards to suggest that Germany's methodical genocide and blatant aggression (much of which was founded on braindead ideas like Lebensraum which assumes a 0 sum game, which is ridiculous when you look at the economic growth of both population dense small countries and sparsely populated larger countries - you don't need to kill or steal from another to live especially not on the international scale) is fine and good for Germany to have done and denouncing it is wrong and bad.

"It's not the modern Poland" okay, by that logic Nazi Germany isn't the same Germany as Kaiser, Weimar, or the HRE and so has 0 claim to any land outside the borders it has. As a matter of fact the German state as one unified existence is a Bismarckian invention that had 0 historical legitimacy.

It's very easy to arbitrarily draw lines in the dirt and say "well, that doesn't count because X" it seems really odd that all the arbitrary lines you draw are there specifically to defend nazism.

The Poland I talk about was so fake that it had some of the highest levels of resistance despite some of the lowest levels of external support. That wouldn't happen if there was no sense of community within the population; particularly if those populations were as German/Prussian dependent as you earlier argued. It wasn't just against Nazis either, it resisted communist occupiers too because go figure after the third partition the Polish people wanted sovereignty. The growth and strength of Polish nationalism after the partition is evidence that there's a national identity there and a legitimate nation to boot. It existed and was illegally partitioned, modern Poland can still easily trace its roots back to the first republic.
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Цитата допису Odysseus:
SNIP



You insult about "high school understanding" while it is you that just base your argument on the result you want and not on the merits of the actual situation in itself. You want a certain outcome so you do mental gymnastics on Olympic level to get to your conclusions.
You even aren't inherently consistent with your own flawed logic. Because somehow attacking Soviet was ok because they had "plans" that they hadn't acted upon on Europe other than Poland but it was not ok for France and Britain to act because of the "plans Germany had.

And yes I condemn Germany for imperialism. Imperialism and expansion for power is to be condemned rightfully.

So you then use whataboutism to deflect the horrors the German Reich did with "yeah but other also did bad things". Yeah that doesn't absolve you. I can't go around and rob a bank and say "yeah but there are people that are murderers so its ok". One of your argument isnt even based on events of the time but of a historical event in the case of US.


Your goalpost moving about when the war started is just you who arbitrarily decide when you think the war started. As I said if Germany would just have not attacked Poland or surrendered to Britain and France there would be no war. See the second point is on the same level as your argument. It could as well be Italy that started the war as if they didnt declare against the allies the war would be a local war. See how your logic isnt working?

So you say Britain and France was going to go to war against them? They just won a war recently against Germany where the terms of peace was according to their liking. Why were they going to war? This is just some silly imagining.



Ok so German culture is dying because people dont think of famous figures the way you want them to? So by german culture you mean "People should think like me or otherwise they are killing german culture because I am the arbiter to decide what is german culture"
Culture develop and isnt static. The current generation have get a full historical view of these figures and then get to make their opinion. Sure few historical figures hold up to modern morals and therefore these people are often viewed as such. No culture war here.
Its like saying "If you dont like Angela Merkel you are killing German culture". Which is a silly take. But its all aligned with how your "logic" works.

So you try to say its poor just because it isnt aligned with your political ideas.
Sorry but you are a textbook example of "Not too intelligent but cant accept it so move into conspiracies to trick themselves they know better." Just because you read some disproven manifesto doesnt make you know things.
You clearly dont understand the situation outside of what you have read by some false takes. The world isnt flat. You havent done any analysis at all. You have decided you dont like the outcome of facts so you try to figure out how to angle events so that you can fantasise up takes that lead to your predetermined outcome. No one but disproven conspiracy theories hold the "takes" you have and you cant point to any serious source for any of your ideas.

Also because you lose games to fireflies doesnt make them broken. The testing team and the wider community understands they are in a decently well balanced point.
The game isnt a 2km AT game. Only on niche open maps are these game deciding.

Germany didnt have designs on Britain or France.
The USSR did have designs on the rest of Europe.
There is no flaw in reasoning here. The West was a net aggressor against Germany primarily because of an irrational fear of the Middle European bloc, Western Europe has always felt this since the days of Pike and Shot when French Knights no longer ruled the field, industry and numbers became supreme and this general trend of fear of more industrious and numerically greater nations has long reigned in Western Europe.
Britain was always working on a divide and deal strategy for continental Europe not wanting any potential Napoleons to rise and challenge the British maritime hegemony which made possible the wealth of the British Empire.
These concerns are not totally misplaced but a microcosmic equivalent would be like killing a baby because its parents were your rivals.
They feared what Germany may become because of how powerful Germany had been.
However the fear was misplaced, at least for Hitler, who was unashamedly an Anglophile and did not harbor the anti-French sentiment of the Junkers - a group Hitler himself was suspicious towards at least on a personal level.

You condemn Germany but give moral primacy to powers far more imperialistic.
If you condemn German imperialism then your condemnation of Germany ended in 1919 and has no place anytime thereafter and you should support Germany for throwing off the pseudo-colonialism of Versailles which like many colonial treaties by the West was constructed to keep a foreign people down and a non-threat.
You can not be against Imperialism and pro-Versailles for the latter serves the purposes of the former; therefore on some level you must support some of the German restoration effort, as you would all who seek liberation.

Its not whataboutism to point out the hypocrisy inherent in your sentiments.
Also I think its kind of silly for you specifically to condemn imperialism while you use technology and circulate wealth that exists solely as the result of imperialism but whatever.

There is no shifting of the goalposts.
"WWII" is a historiographical construction - your level of analysis is too superficial and you are mistaking the historiographical idea of WWII for the reality of the series of events that the term "WWII" is attempting to conceptually circumscribe.
The Germans made no war on The West. The world was at peace until Britain's declaration of war. In fact one can not even blame France for if Britain had stayed out it would be the Second Franco-Prussian war with Poland as a catalyst not The Second 'World' War.
There were still efforts for war with Germany even Germany had never taken any land, the group The Focus was pushing for war with Germany independent of any geopolitical land disputes.
My logic is sound because we can take our level of analysis to the geopolitical reality of the time, Germany was undergoing a restoration effort, Britain and France first covertly then overtly opposed such efforts for the reasons I had stated above.
In strict terms - Germany only declared regional wars whereas Britain made it a global war.
Furthermore, if Germany surrendered, there would still be a war obviously because who would Germany surrender to if there was no war? Surrender occurs during a war, therefore a German surrender would necessitate a war already occurring. See how your Germany surrendering example does not work because its tautological and pre-supposes the existence of a war which you claim it would prevent existing?

Why were Britain and France going to war? Britain was lobbied, France and Britain both wanted to keep Germany weak to eliminate a potential rival in a restored Germany. The simple reality is that geopolitics are not determined by ethical behavior but by being honorable enough to sustain credibility while also being as cutthroat as possible because it is a zero-sum game - this is especially true for colonial powers like Britain and France who must maintain a frame of legitimacy or risk an evaporation of their Imperium.

You are misunderstanding what I said about the offensive against German culture. The teleological praxis of denazification was to remove the German ability to assert itself over itself and therefore eliminate its ability to assert itself over others on the world stage, a total pacification, in the same way african or latin countries can be drawn up and corrupt leaders installed to ensure they are 'sociable' even to terms hostile to the national well-being.
I am saying people should be free to think whatever they will, the freedom of thought in Germany would lead to reverence for figures like Bismarck, Frederick The Great, Arminius, and Adolf Hitler, and this would spark the fire of Liberty and Germans would demand justice and self-rule - which are two things the American and to a large extent other Western Governments do not want. Power does not tolerate rivals. I am sorry you had to hear this from me (someone you dont like) but Western Statesmen seeking to preserve their power are basically never charitable if the choice is presented.
It is literally illegal in Germany to be 'too patriotic' to love Germany too much. This extends to German history and German culture. This is why they remove statues of Great Germans like Frederick the Great. This is a form of genocide according to the UN.

Its amusing you consider stated goals of governments, national leaders, and historical events to be flat-earth conspiracies. You sound like someone who is defending a fiction against reality which I'm sure you'll claim the inverse is true, which is to be expected if you really are defending a poorly crafted narrative against real events and people.
That saying "get bamboozled enough and you'll defend the bamboozling" - something to that effect - it fits.

I play 78th Sturm so fireflies are non-issue. I am just pointing out how they are in an odd if not unbalanced position relative to their class of amor.
Цитата допису rommel2009:
I'm so surprised by content of new DLC after I see it. The current 10v10 balance is horrible already. But new DLC even make it worse.

Allies got everything now, they can rush at A phase, they have plenty of 17-pdr, they control air all the time, their artys are overwhelming, they also got lots of powerful tanks more than ever. (Firefly, Hellcat, Achilles, Challenger and more than you can ever imagine)
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I think allies infantry and tanks will be more unstoppable after new DLC release. I do have some suggestions about balance that I could provide.
Firstly, 17-pdr range should be 1750 rather than 2000. 2000 is too far, and in this DLC allies don't lack 17-pdr or powerful tanks anymore. Tiger, Panther, even KingTiger is just a joke in front of so many anti tank methods.

17 pdr got 125 mm pen at 2000 m range so that Panther A/G or Jagdpanzer IV can be destroyed with 45 % success rate. You can outgun 80 % of Axis divisions at max range who do not have access to Tiger II or Elefant. The strength and availability of 17 pdr compared to the armor of enemy tanks makes it the most effective anti-tank gun in the game. 17 pdr definetely overperformes right now, but I don’t know if nerfing is the right way. I prefer to adjust German heavies.

Tiger and Tiger II only have 5 r/m and that’s the worst stat of afv with that caliber. Both needs to be buffed to 6 r/m. You just need to compare the rate of fire with the IS-2. In theory the IS-2 is able to destroy 3/4 Panthers in a minute while the Tiger/Tiger II only could destroy 2 Shermans.

The Panther is in a weird spot right now. Bad in attacking light targets and an easy prey for even cheaper tanks. It feels that the developer don’t know what to do with the tank. The Panther G for a medium tank has the same availability like the IS-2 43. Additionally it only got 10 hp like medium tanks, but was on other ways treated like a heavy. I can bearely remember that the hp got up to 12 hp now, but I am not sure if that is correct. The armor oft he Panther is quite low compared to other tank models like Sherman, T-34 or IS-2. The frontal hull of the Panther D was 80 mm (55° vertical) thick an the turret 100 mm while the mantlet was 110 mm thick. The side was 40 mm (40° vertical) what should be 52,2 mm (40/cos(40)) effective armor thickness compared to the 45 mm ingame. The A model got an Kugelblende for the mg that improved the armor quitely. Withe the G model the turret was changed to 120 mm on the lower parts and the drivers hatch on the front plate was removed. The side armor was increased as well to 50 mm (30° vertical) what makes an effective armor of 57,7 mm. The armor of the Panther D should go up to 130 mm, the Version A up to 135 mm and the Panther G up to 140 mm. The side of the models D and A needs to go up to 50 mm and for the model G to 55 mm/60 mm together with price increase of 5 – 10 points. With these changes the Panther would get a needed survivability boost to fullfil his role as longe range tank destroyer.

Panther armor: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzerkampfwagen_V_Panther
Armor calculation: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzerung

Цитата допису rommel2009:
Secondly, at least MG34 should be able to shoot when inf is moving. Grenadier is totally trash facing allied inf now. Grenadier just get suppressed and surrender. It's basically impossible to win in fight. Not to mention allies usually have cars around.

German mgs got nerf after nerf. Reduced supression, precision down to 8 %, can longer shoot under 100 m, lost much of their ammo and very important infantry no longer gets less damage with vet. The latter means that Infantry are more resistant to MG 34/42 suppression, but the Axis still take the same damage from the more accurate Allied mgs with vet. Additionally Allied mgs like DT or tomorrow the Bren got buffed too.

I would prefer to finally give back Axis squads their mg ammonution. According to “MG 34 and MG 42 Machine Guns“ page 39 German squads carried 1800 rounds for the mg. That makes sense if you consider that ther infantry tactics were build around the mg. Squads with one or double MG 34 are one of the worst 20/30 points squads ingame. Quickly out of bullets without much damage inflicted, because MG 34 has one of the worst if not the worst damage per round. Precision back to the standard 10 % wouldn’t be wrong for MG 34.

Summary of the suggestions:
Tiger/Tiger II rof up to 6
Panther D frontal armor up to 130 mm, side to 50 mm and price 5 or 10 points up
Panther A frontal armor up to 135 mm, side to 50 mm and price 5 or 10 points up
Panther G frontal armor up to 140 mm, side to 55 or 60 mm and price 5 or 10 points up
MG 34/42 back to the standard 1200 rounds ammonition and MG 34 precision back to standard 10 %.

Unfortionally Eugen will not have the time to add theses change till tomorrow when the dlc is released.
Автор останньої редакції: ✠Cherrybomb✠; 8 квіт. 2024 о 9:54
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