Volksturm Divisions

[spruss929]

Is this possible or a pipe dream?

[fliegerad]

The largest Volkssturm unit was the battalion. The Slovak uprising DLC would have included some Volkssturm infantry.

You may be thinking of Volksgrenadier-Divisionen, though. They were regular part of the Wehrmacht. They were raised in late Summer 1944, so they could be part of a DLC.

[Nilla]

Originally posted by spruss929:

Is this possible or a pipe dream?

Your best bet is something like Koruck, 52nd which will be in the Burning Baltic DLC, or 17th SS.

[Gilmore]

Volksturm has a decent bet of being featured again if there's another run, I wouldn't putting it past for Charlemagne to get another shot at a appearance as well at some point.

[[EUG] MadMat]

Originally posted by Drug Kat:

Volksturm has a decent bet of being featured again if there's another run, I wouldn't putting it past for Charlemagne to get another shot at a appearance as well at some point.

Charlemagne never was put to the vote, nor will: it was only raised in 1945.

[spruss929]

Originally posted by EUG MadMat:

Originally posted by Drug Kat:

Volksturm has a decent bet of being featured again if there's another run, I wouldn't putting it past for Charlemagne to get another shot at a appearance as well at some point.

Charlemagne never was put to the vote, nor will: it was only raised in 1945.

Is 1944 a hard and fast rule? It seems irrelevant considering gameplay consists of fighting in Poland with US divisions against divisions from finland.

[ronan0]

Originally posted by spruss929:

Originally posted by EUG MadMat:

Charlemagne never was put to the vote, nor will: it was only raised in 1945.

Is 1944 a hard and fast rule? It seems irrelevant considering gameplay consists of fighting in Poland with US divisions against divisions from finland.

Yes it is, and I personally think it’s a fair rule, sure divisions come from various theater, but the time consistency avoid problems like “division X got unit Y December 44, Why can’t I have unit Y knowing there is some divisions from 1945 in the game? “

Also Volksturm divisons were, as a general rule, poorly equipped infantry division with little to no armored support, and terrible training, so I don’t see what they would bring to the game.
Kind of the same deal for Charllemagne, sure they spoke French but IG they would be treated as a German division, the only difference is that they would spoke French when you click on them.

[Ser Maks]

Originally posted by ronan0:

Yes it is, and I personally think it’s a fair rule, sure divisions come from various theater, but the time consistency avoid problems like “division X got unit Y December 44, Why can’t I have unit Y knowing there is some divisions from 1945 in the game? “

This kind of happens already. Some divisions have units from beyond current timeframe.

[[EUG] MadMat]

Aside from the SU-122S, most "from beyond" units are leaning more on the "from the grave" of 1939-40 battlefields side ...

Originally posted by spruss929:

Originally posted by EUG MadMat:

Charlemagne never was put to the vote, nor will: it was only raised in 1945.

Is 1944 a hard and fast rule? It seems irrelevant considering gameplay consists of fighting in Poland with US divisions against divisions from finland.

Yes, and more precisely the Summer of 1944. This in order to avoid having late 1945 division, with the corresponding technology, fight 1943 ones.

[Ser Maks]

Originally posted by EUG MadMat:

Aside from the SU-122S, most "from beyond" units are leaning more on the "from the grave" of 1939-40 battlefields side ...

I wrote with ISU-122S in mind, yes :))
Burning Baltics going to add 160mm mortars and BS-3 to the list, but more as Jumbo-like case. 160mm mortars came in the early August, but remained at reserve till mid-October. First BS-3 appeared in late September(from memory, 26 September), yet AT capability also came later, around November.
There are also cases of units being ITF for some divisions but not for others, like IS-2.44(produced since August 1944), La-7 and Yak-3 - accurate for base game divisions, but not for DLC ones. But, those are different story anyway.
And, of course, early war tech like BA-10, Pe-3, and T-34/76.41. Again, accurate for some divisions, but not for others.

[spruss929]

Originally posted by Ser Maks:

Originally posted by ronan0:

Yes it is, and I personally think it’s a fair rule, sure divisions come from various theater, but the time consistency avoid problems like “division X got unit Y December 44, Why can’t I have unit Y knowing there is some divisions from 1945 in the game? “

This kind of happens already. Some divisions have units from beyond current timeframe.

YES

[Ser Maks]

Originally posted by spruss929:

Originally posted by Ser Maks:

This kind of happens already. Some divisions have units from beyond current timeframe.

YES

And I need to note that any OOTF units present are NOT an excuse to add more of such, but an issue to rectify and subject for removal and replace with more accurate tech actually present in timeframe. Besides, ISU-122S have atrocious camo

[spruss929]

Originally posted by Ser Maks:

Originally posted by spruss929:

YES

And I need to note that any OOTF units present are NOT an excuse to add more of such, but an issue to rectify and subject for removal and replace with more accurate tech actually present in timeframe. Besides, ISU-122S have atrocious camo

Idk I think devs are shooting themselves in the foot by constraining the time frame.

[Billaud-Varennes]

Originally posted by Drug Kat:

Volksturm has a decent bet of being featured again if there's another run, I wouldn't putting it past for Charlemagne to get another shot at a appearance as well at some point.

Many soldiers who fought in Charlemagne had previously fought with the Legion Volontaire Francaise (LVF) which is featured ingame as part of Korück.

[seashell]

Originally posted by spruss929:

Idk I think devs are shooting themselves in the foot by constraining the time frame.

That's a very interesting way to say that you want wargame 4.
Nice try.
You could just play a space game where even more advanced technologies are available.

And if the is-3s are around the konigtigers will start dying and that's not good for sales to the wehraboo community

[spruss929]

Originally posted by seashell:

Originally posted by spruss929:

Idk I think devs are shooting themselves in the foot by constraining the time frame.

That's a very interesting way to say that you want wargame 4.
Nice try.
You could just play a space game where even more advanced technologies are available.

And if the is-3s are around the konigtigers will start dying and that's not good for sales to the wehraboo community

I know, saying I want end war german divisions to fight on the eastern front against american armored divisions is basically like asking for space marines.