Koruck fanatical?

[Jam292]

Just curious if the LVF might get the fanatical trait and perhaps even some of the other collaborator units in Koruck 559. I'm not sure anyone knows the demographics of fanaticism within the ranks of these units but in terms of game mechanics, I don't think any of them would want to surrender to the Soviets, especially the RONA and Schuma collaborators. But i see how this could expand to Cossack units and might be a headache for balance.

[Ëvïlnïck8 ゴゴゴ]

Its a bit strange that only 2 German divs in tribute to D-day have the trait, we already have the 5th SS panzer Wiking already so it would make sense to give it to them aswell,


And I dont know much about the fanaticalism on the Allied side but maybe it would suit some Soviet units aswell.

[Jam292]

Originally posted by Ëvïlnïck8 ゴゴゴ:

Its a bit strange that only 2 German divs in tribute to D-day have the trait, we already have the 5th SS panzer Wiking already so it would make sense to give it to them aswell,


And I dont know much about the fanaticalism on the Allied side but maybe it would suit some Soviet units aswell.

it's an interesting mechanic to play around with the idea of. I can see a strong resistance to surrender for many units in the game but I'm not sure what they want to reflect with it. The soviets might include partisan or Cossack units as fanatical for instance. I can totally grasp why HJ has it due to zealous commitment to ideology but I haven't read enough to understand why the Italian unit has it in 17th SS and whether it's because of ideological reasons or because since Italy had capitulated and joined the Allies, they were now collaborators with a legitimate fear of what might happen to them even if they surrendered. Whether the reason is the latter or the former then there is precedent to give the trait to different units in the game.

[[EUG] MadMat]

We have always said they we wouldn't fall into the "SS Übermensch" storybook image, hence why we made no difference between SS and Heer Grenadier or Panzergrenadier, only differenciating weapon/equipment changes.
Soldiers come in various veterancy level, but in the end they are all men.

12. SS-Panzer was a unique division, which ferocity and fanatism is well-known and is the only one which somehow match the SS sterotype of die-hard fanatics.

Therefore, no, we have no intention of spreading this trait to all and every SS divisions, even Wiking.

Originally posted by Jam292:

Just curious if the LVF might get the fanatical trait

Certainly not.
They fought well that day at Bobr, but they really weren't a fanatical bunch. They were staunchly anti-communist, that was the only thing that tied them together.

If we ever were to include the "SS-Sturmbrigade Frankreich", those we could consider give them, because the standards of recruitements had been set very hard, both physically & politically. They were all utter, dedicated nazis, as they displayed in the battle of Berlin: the detachment of French SS from the "Charlemagne" division which reached the city and were among the last defenders of the Reich all came from the "Frankreich" when it was merged into "Charlemagne".

Originally posted by Jam292:

and perhaps even some of the other collaborator units in Koruck 559.

Actually, if RONA & Schuma members knew they had no mercy to expect from their fellow Soviets, it didn't enticed them to fight more fanaticaly, but usualy to run away! "Disheartened" would fit them more ...

Originally posted by Jam292:

I haven't read enough to understand why the Italian unit has it in 17th SS and whether it's because of ideological reasons or because since Italy had capitulated and joined the Allies, they were now collaborators with a legitimate fear of what might happen to them even if they surrendered. Whether the reason is the latter or the former then there is precedent to give the trait to different units in the game.

While most of the Italian army let itself be disarmed by the Germans, usually too happy to get out of the war unarmed, it wasn't the case for a few hundreds of die-hard fascists.
Those actually petitionned the Germans to let them keep fighting with them. IIRC, they joined first the 1. SS-Panzerdivision "LSSAH", then over 500 of them were transfered to 17. SS-PzGrenadier when the former was brought back to Germany for R&R.
They fought ferociously in Normandy, with less than a hundred left alive by the end of the campaign. These survivors returned to Italy to join Mussolini's RSI, with Himmler himself writing to the Duce to praise their combat performance.