Pak 40 firing water ammo ?

[Siladen]

I think there is a huge issue with the armor penetration of the pak 40 or the armor of the russian tanks.

The pak 40 was designed to pierce KV 1 and T34 armor , famous for it.

Yet here i can't penetrate ♥♥♥♥.

A T34 at 1km is an instant kill for a pak 40. Here it wil l take around 3 to 5 shot in average to be able to cause sufficient dmg for it to retreat or to destroy it

i manadge to destroy one... Hourra... with 18 pak 40 deployed

If you can't penetrate KV1 and T34 let's not imagine how invincible the IS is.... despite the fact that russian tank's turret were made of paper and that germans had very good sight, penetrable up to 2km. The mm was good but the alloy used at the time was ♥♥♥♥ basicaly.


Like with the previous game, the axis technologie is completely nerfed beyond measure.

[Astrum]

I was just thinking the same thing. This is ridicoulus.

[acur1231]

Use efficient shot and keep a leader by your guns.

[Omega_Warrior]

What range are you attempting to fire from?

Max range is 2000m and most tank engagments happened at about 1200m. All AT guns lose a lot of penetration and accuracy at max range. The pak40 is good, but it isn't a pak43 or flak 88. Just like all the other medium AT guns it will struggle to pen even medium tanks that far out. Meanwhile tanks don't even need a direct hit to deal damage back.

That's why you need to use efficient shot to have them wait until they are in range. If you want to duke it out on max range, either bring something with a bigger gun or more armor.

[Lauw]

Originally posted by Siladen:

I think there is a huge issue with the armor penetration of the pak 40 or the armor of the russian tanks.

The pak 40 was designed to pierce KV 1 and T34 armor , famous for it.

Yet here i can't penetrate ♥♥♥♥.

A T34 at 1km is an instant kill for a pak 40. Here it wil l take around 3 to 5 shot in average to be able to cause sufficient dmg for it to retreat or to destroy it

i manadge to destroy one... Hourra... with 18 pak 40 deployed

If you can't penetrate KV1 and T34 let's not imagine how invincible the IS is.... despite the fact that russian tank's turret were made of paper and that germans had very good sight, penetrable up to 2km. The mm was good but the alloy used at the time was ♥♥♥♥ basicaly.


Like with the previous game, the axis technologie is completely nerfed beyond measure.

My guess is that you're using APCR. In which case, you lack an understanding of this game if you use APCR against KV and T 34

[Remove Sniper from TF2]

Originally posted by acur1231:

Use efficient shot and keep a leader by your guns.

efficient shot is for ambushing

[Doomier Guy]

Soviet tanks in 1944 had better quality steel than most Nazi panzers actually. It sounds like you believe in the "superior Krupp stahl" myth when in reality it was anything but.

[Siladen]

The turret of russian tanks are penetrable up to 2KM. It's paperglass.

a T34 is a sure kill at 1KM. Front armor.
a KV is a sure kill at 500M. Front armor.

This is the data produced by the soviet and the reich at the time. And on the western front to the exception of a few british model the pak 40 was just like a knife threw butter.


Here ... we are so far from that.... It feels like it's a tank game mostly.

Gives the Russian superiority in numbers and restore the authenticity of the german technologie.

And the rapidity and precision of the AI arty is .... impressive to say the least.

[Pak0tac]

Originally posted by Siladen:

despite the fact that russian tank's turret were made of paper and that germans had very good sight

lol... just go away... just go away slowly so that no one will notice that bull*
the t34-85 turret front armos was 60mm SLOPED, which means it was on average 80-90mm effective armor. the panzer4, had at its prime, the 7.5 cm KwK 40 L/48 cannon, with max penetration value of 86mm at 1000meters, while the t34-85 was designed to destroy tigers and panthers from 1500 meters, so, yeah, go away

[Lauw]

Originally posted by Siladen:

The turret of russian tanks are penetrable up to 2KM. It's paperglass.

a T34 is a sure kill at 1KM. Front armor.
a KV is a sure kill at 500M. Front armor.

This is the data produced by the soviet and the reich at the time. And on the western front to the exception of a few british model the pak 40 was just like a knife threw butter.


Here ... we are so far from that.... It feels like it's a tank game mostly.

Gives the Russian superiority in numbers and restore the authenticity of the german technologie.

And the rapidity and precision of the AI arty is .... impressive to say the least.

Read my reply

[Siladen]

I was tiping mine while you wrote yours. I saw the differences in ammo, was also surprised with the number of anti tank shell we packing. I will keep a closer a look on that on my next play.

And faith, i'm not comparing panzher and T34. but T34 and pak 40. Go check it out.

[Pak0tac]

Originally posted by Siladen:

I was tiping mine while you wrote yours. I saw the differences in ammo, was also surprised with the number of anti tank shell we packing. I will keep a closer a look on that on my next play.

And faith, i'm not comparing panzher and T34. but T34 and pak 40. Go check it out.

im not talking about pak40 vs t34s, the pak40 was a very powerful anti tank gun
but its was mostly effective against t34s, not so much against kv1s, dont forget that we are talking about a medium tank vs at gun here, and a heavy tank vs at gun which is a whole other story

[Doomier Guy]

Originally posted by DirtyHarry:

Originally posted by AutomaticRifleReborn:

Soviet tanks in 1944 had better quality steel than most Nazi panzers actually. It sounds like you believe in the "superior Krupp stahl" myth when in reality it was anything but.

wow, what a nidiot you are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥...get ur facts straight ....

What an intelligent response...

I'm correct though. German steel quality at this point was really bad. It's noted numerous times in US and Soviet field reports about how poor it was.

The "superior Krupp stahl" thing is complete bollocks.

[Pak0tac]

Originally posted by DirtyHarry:

Originally posted by AutomaticRifleReborn:

Soviet tanks in 1944 had better quality steel than most Nazi panzers actually. It sounds like you believe in the "superior Krupp stahl" myth when in reality it was anything but.

wow, what a nidiot you are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥...get ur facts straight ....

he is right, by 1944 the soviets were using rolled steel plating, the wahermacht only ever used cast steel, the wahermacht had real issues with advanced metal works, mostly because by 1944 most of their indutry was in ruins

[acur1231]

Originally posted by DirtyHarry:

Originally posted by AutomaticRifleReborn:

Soviet tanks in 1944 had better quality steel than most Nazi panzers actually. It sounds like you believe in the "superior Krupp stahl" myth when in reality it was anything but.

wow, what a nidiot you are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥...get ur facts straight ....

He is correct. By 1944 bombing had caused huge shortfalls in metal production, which led to a marked decrease in German armour effectiveness.

[Spooky]

Discussing w/o any source or reference? Well played.