Question about SdKfz 251/9

[Disposable_Hero]

@Eugen: which game is correct regarding number of MG42s, road speed etc.?
The main gun / armor obviously can't be compared because of different range / mechanics but everything else should be pretty identical?
Thanks.

Steel Division: Normandy 44 ™

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1856649982

Steel Division 2 ™

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1856648432

[Guleble]

Just look up the actual vehicle

[Armisael]

Both of them, one is the original model and the other is a later redesign.

[Disposable_Hero]

Originally posted by Yukari:

Just look up the actual vehicle

Couldn't find a reliable source. Care to share a link?

[MrCrisps]

@Disposable_Hero : here you go, http://www.wardrawings.be/WW2/Files/1-Vehicles/Axis/1-Germany/08-Halftracks/Sd.Kfz.251/Data/Sd.Kfz.251-9D.htm.

[DasaKamov]

Also, this is a generally reliable on-line resource:
http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/nazi_germany/SdKfz-251_Hanomag.php

[MrCrisps]

@Dasakamov : Tank Encyclopedia is very good but I tend to prefer Wardrawings, as it is more detailed to specific vehicles and units.

[DasaKamov]

I'm not familiar with Wardrawings but one can never have too many resources, and I'll be sure to check them out - thanks for the tip! :)

[Disposable_Hero]

Originally posted by MrCrisps:

@Disposable_Hero : here you go, http://www.wardrawings.be/WW2/Files/1-Vehicles/Axis/1-Germany/08-Halftracks/Sd.Kfz.251/Data/Sd.Kfz.251-9D.htm.

Thanks. According to this link two MG42s were used. Since both SD44 and SD2 take place in 1944 the original question remains:)

[nord2hammer]

Originally posted by Disposable_Hero:

Originally posted by MrCrisps:

@Disposable_Hero : here you go, http://www.wardrawings.be/WW2/Files/1-Vehicles/Axis/1-Germany/08-Halftracks/Sd.Kfz.251/Data/Sd.Kfz.251-9D.htm.

Thanks. According to this link two MG42s were used. Since both SD44 and SD2 take place in 1944 the original question remains:)

Neither site should be used as a primary source,just as a starting place.

The SdKfz 251/9 did not have a MG 42 as a standard secondary weapon. In-game the vehicle should only be armed with a 75L24.....

Panzer Tracts No.15-3 - mittlerer Schuetzenpanzerwagen (Sd.Kfz.251) Ausf.C & D by Thomas Jentz and Hilary Louis Doyle.

[MrCrisps]

@Nord2hammer : What are you talking about? The data from both Tank encyclopedia and Wardrawings say that it was primarily equipped with a KwK37 L/24. Why it shouldn't have MG34/42 as a secondary weapon?

[Thork]

I'm not completely sure, but I'd guess that the front MG would be equipped/used by the crew, while the back mount might either not have existed on every model, and/or only been used by squad/transported MGs.
Having additional mounting points for MG34/42 was pretty common (on transports).
Could be used f.ex. in conjunction with MP40 barrel nose for some serious firepower out of the back/sides.

[nord2hammer]

Originally posted by MrCrisps:

@Nord2hammer : What are you talking about? The data from both Tank encyclopedia and Wardrawings..../quote]

Wardrawings,a modelers site,and Tank Encyclopedia,a Wiki clone.Both sites are where research canbegin..but to claim them as primary sources,just no.

Originally posted by MrCrisps:

...it was primarily equipped with a KwK37 L/24. Why it shouldn't have MG34/42 as a secondary weapon?

The rearward facing AA mounting did not come standard with an MG,it was dependent on the crew having one. It also had a limited firing arc...

As far as a forward mounted MG on a Sd.Kfz.251/9 or Sd.Kfz.250/9, find an actual picture of one that's not a modelers or game's concoction.




Panzer Tracts No.15-2,15-3 and 15-4 by Thomas Jentz and Hilary Louis Doyle provide a wealth of primary source material on mittlerer Schuetzenpanzerwagen.

They're still available...a bit pricey at this point mind.

[nord2hammer]

Originally posted by Thork:

I'm not completely sure, but I'd guess that the front MG would be equipped/used by the crew, while the back mount might either not have existed on every model, and/or only been used by squad/transported MGs.
Having additional mounting points for MG34/42 was pretty common (on transports).
Could be used f.ex. in conjunction with MP40 barrel nose for some serious firepower.

Yes a side/rear AA MG was squad based,whereas the front MG was crew served.
On the Sd.Kfz.251/9 the rear facing AA mount was standardized but having an MG was dependent on the crew/unit.