Anno 117: discussion after reveal

[matek7]

What do you think?

Well, I really hope so. Fingers crossed.

[vkobe]

Originally posted by Herr Gutentauben:

Originally posted by vkobe:

sorry man, but anno mascot is a jorgensen

and in anno 1800 the protagonist is a white lady and her friend a black guy and for black guy is coming with land of lion dlc even if in new world they are all black guy, but i admit the half of my worker are ladies, especially in navy

so in 117 black guy are probably be in africa part or egypt part of roman empire, feeling it going to work like anno 1404

Did I ever say I have a problem with Hannah Goode? Iirc my first or one of my first posts ever in this forum is ranting about how Hannah could have been such a great character if they hadn't pushed her aside for a dumb player self insert. And I don't think anyone has a problem with for example the badass Margaret Hunt and Ardhant is a bro all day

I legit don't understand the merit of your post. If you're one of those idiots that think gamers are actually racists or sexists you're talking to the wrong guy. This isn't about that. It's about ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ taking over making trash for imaginary MODERN AUDIENCES

except anno game it is dumb player assisted by adviser 1800 it is hannah, 1404 it is richard, 2070 it is yana, 2205 it is sam

and it is not the only franchise with this weird system where the player is only spectator, i see same thing in the first starcraft, 3 or 4 mmorpg game

my god you really want to be banned or what ?? rip man if next week we see red letter near your name

[Herr Gutentauben]

That they do it on every Anno game doesn't make it better. The 1800 campaign feels unfinished at best and rushed at worst.

And their so called traditions don't really make the game better. Do we really need a bjergsen to either punch down like a dog or keep like a pet because they're just so nice? Wibblesock has more personality than benten of all things.

I do enjoy this game a lot but that doesn't mean I don't have some complaints about how they manage stuff. Specially with the production stats not including imports from your transports making it awkward to try to tweak what you need making it so you always must overproduce a bit too much. It is awkward AF

If they decide to ban me from the forums is not a big deal and it's certainly not going to make me buy 117. You can bet ubilol will pull out the same ♥♥♥♥ they're doing with "spaceballs 2 now it's personal" and and the husk that used to be Assassin's Creed. Except 117 like every other city builder will release on alpha and will need years of dlcs to be complete. If you're lucky

[vkobe]

Originally posted by Herr Gutentauben:

That they do it on every Anno game doesn't make it better. The 1800 campaign feels unfinished at best and rushed at worst.

And their so called traditions don't really make the game better. Do we really need a bjergsen to either punch down like a dog or keep like a pet because they're just so nice? Wibblesock has more personality than benten of all things.

I do enjoy this game a lot but that doesn't mean I don't have some complaints about how they manage stuff. Specially with the production stats not including imports from your transports making it awkward to try to tweak what you need making it so you always must overproduce a bit too much. It is awkward AF

If they decide to ban me from the forums is not a big deal and it's certainly not going to make me buy 117. You can bet ubilol will pull out the same ♥♥♥♥ they're doing with "spaceballs 2 now it's personal" and and the husk that used to be Assassin's Creed. Except 117 like every other city builder will release on alpha and will need years of dlcs to be complete. If you're lucky

ok and ???

they show since 2019 they dont need us so much

and it is more steam rule than really ubisoft rule you try to push your luck

[Herr Gutentauben]

A forum ban is not a big deal. And I said nothing wrong other than speaking against a game developers decisions which is not against the rules.

This is not Reddit where a bunch of weirdos try to force their narrative at any cost.

I have no respect for Ubisoft, minimal hopes for 117 to be good and any smart player should do the same.

And if Ubisoft didn't need steam they wouldn't come back crawling. Valhalla is now on steam, Anno complete is on steam, etc..They try to squeeze some extra money at first but I'd be surprised if all those games take more than a year to make it into steam.

[vkobe]

Originally posted by Herr Gutentauben:

A forum ban is not a big deal. And I said nothing wrong other than speaking against a game developers decisions which is not against the rules.

This is not Reddit where a bunch of weirdos try to force their narrative at any cost.

I have no respect for Ubisoft, minimal hopes for 117 to be good and any smart player should do the same.

And if Ubisoft didn't need steam they wouldn't come back crawling. Valhalla is now on steam, Anno complete is on steam, etc..They try to squeeze some extra money at first but I'd be surprised if all those games take more than a year to make it into steam.

reread post 32 and second paragraph

if steam modo read that you are rip for few days on this forum

[Herr Gutentauben]

That ubilol makes a game for imaginary MODERN AUDIENCES? Facts can be hurtful yeah

[damoose1]

Will wait for the Steam release a year or two later.

[Primigenia]

I like the jorgensens, I see nothing wrong with a friendly AI, it's not like there aren't others AI if you want a challange, they're like old acquaitances to have around in relaxing building sessions, to trade with, looking at them doing their thing while the player does his.

I agree on the "modern audiences" points however, I own and played all of the seven games, and the Anno series has almost being untouched until now (1800 got some, but it's not too too bad) by the woke mind virus, but I fear for it in 117. I want a cool cartoonish city builder in which to trade, build and set production chains up, not a lecture on feminism, equality and inclusion.

"I need a cultural melting pot in which unite diverse cultures and fight for equity" no one ever said while playing Caesar III.

Then again, it's self evident that No Steam = No buy anyway.

[matek7]

Originally posted by Sarda:

Originally posted by Caduryn:

no, where do you get this absurd idea....?

Steam is the only store not listed in the Trailer.

This ist why I won't wishlist it.

[Herr Gutentauben]

Originally posted by Primigenia:

I like the jorgensens, I see nothing wrong with a friendly AI, it's not like there aren't others AI if you want a challange, they're like old acquaitances to have around in relaxing building sessions, to trade with, looking at them doing their thing while the player does his.

I agree on the "modern audiences" points however, I own and played all of the seven games, and the Anno series has almost being untouched until now (1800 got some, but it's not too too bad) by the woke mind virus, but I fear for it in 117. I want a cool cartoonish city builder in which to trade, build and set production chains up, not a lecture on feminism, equality and inclusion.

"I need a cultural melting pot in which unite diverse cultures and fight for equity" no one ever said while playing Caesar III.

Then again, it's self evident that No Steam = No buy anyway.

The problem I have with the bjorgsens is that this game is not designed around actual cooperation. Everything is very limited with the competitors so keeping the bjorgsens up is no different to keeping a pet. If the diplomacy and trading system were deeper then it'd be great to have a sure ally but that's not it.

[Primigenia]

Originally posted by Herr Gutentauben:

The problem I have with the bjorgsens is that this game is not designed around actual cooperation. Everything is very limited with the competitors so keeping the bjorgsens up is no different to keeping a pet. If the diplomacy and trading system were deeper then it'd be great to have a sure ally but that's not it.

I disagree with this for 2 reasons: the first is that you don't need to co op with them, they can just exist and do their own thing in same world you are in, I can't see anything wrong with it, just an other faction building cities and roaming the world with their ships.

The second reason is that they can in fact help, the first game I ever played in 1800 it was a sandbox with only Bente as AI, and she bought a lot of my stuff propping my economy, was fairly slow in colonizing but she colonized nonetheless and she dropped aid packages to my main island so that when things like rum or chocolate were in shortage, while I was grasping my first time with the new world mechanic, the pop didn't lose too much ground.

[Herr Gutentauben]

Originally posted by Primigenia:

Originally posted by Herr Gutentauben:

The problem I have with the bjorgsens is that this game is not designed around actual cooperation. Everything is very limited with the competitors so keeping the bjorgsens up is no different to keeping a pet. If the diplomacy and trading system were deeper then it'd be great to have a sure ally but that's not it.

I disagree with this for 2 reasons: the first is that you don't need to co op with them, they can just exist and do their own thing in same world you are in, I can't see anything wrong with it, just an other faction building cities and roaming the world with their ships.

The second reason is that they can in fact help, the first game I ever played in 1800 it was a sandbox with only Bente as AI, and she bought a lot of my stuff propping my economy, was fairly slow in colonizing but she colonized nonetheless and she dropped aid packages to my main island so that when things like rum or chocolate were in shortage, while I was grasping my first time with the new world mechanic, the pop didn't lose too much ground.

It's not that you don't have a point. Them existing adds flavor. But I still believe they are underutilized.

Then again it might be a me problem I guess...to be fair I did get into this game hoping it'd scratch the itch for a worthy successor of Caesar 3 or patrician 3. But this game doesn't have a good export/import system. The docklands don't count as it's pretty much hacking items into existence every half an hour and forcing Archibald into buying everything you have is not akin to a proper system. As I said I do enjoy this game. But the interaction with the AI feels lack luster and story wise it feels unfinished. I wish the competitors had proper questlines that show you more about them.

Yes...the quests have some flavor, it is from this flavor that we know Hunt is the grandmaster or how Qing's father works on tencent and wants her to spy on us. But in 4 years of dlc they never really expanded on this. I might be mistaken but I don't think I am

[Primigenia]

Originally posted by Herr Gutentauben:

It's not that you don't have a point. Them existing adds flavor. But I still believe they are underutilized.

Then again it might be a me problem I guess...to be fair I did get into this game hoping it'd scratch the itch for a worthy successor of Caesar 3 or patrician 3. But this game doesn't have a good export/import system. The docklands don't count as it's pretty much hacking items into existence every half an hour and forcing Archibald into buying everything you have is not akin to a proper system. As I said I do enjoy this game. But the interaction with the AI feels lack luster and story wise it feels unfinished. I wish the competitors had proper questlines that show you more about them.

Yes...the quests have some flavor, it is from this flavor that we know Hunt is the grandmaster or how Qing's father works on tencent and wants her to spy on us. But in 4 years of dlc they never really expanded on this. I might be mistaken but I don't think I am

Sadly there is nothing like Caesar III, Patrician III or Port Royale 2, I played them for years and loved them, but they're gone as series at this point. Not even the new Patricians, Caesar and Port Royales hold the older standards, but if you don't know it yet there is a very good community mod for Caesar III called Augustus, it basically let's you play the game on modern systems up to 4K with updated interfaces and updates some mechanics too, there is a plague systems, there are many new buildings, ton of new decorations and it's all really well integrated, it seems like a proper expansion.

For the Anno series I personally prefer 1404 over 1800, in fact I think 1404 is my favorite overall, even if it's smaller in scale, I like a lot 1701 and 1602 too, I think you would have fun playing 1602 HE, it's the first of the series, it has no real AI character, not even a trader island, only random AI players and the endless game lacks almost every option as far as set up goes, but for being 26 years old it holds fairly well in my opinion, then again maybe it's that I'm used to playing to it.

[Herr Gutentauben]

Originally posted by Primigenia:

Originally posted by Herr Gutentauben:

It's not that you don't have a point. Them existing adds flavor. But I still believe they are underutilized.

Then again it might be a me problem I guess...to be fair I did get into this game hoping it'd scratch the itch for a worthy successor of Caesar 3 or patrician 3. But this game doesn't have a good export/import system. The docklands don't count as it's pretty much hacking items into existence every half an hour and forcing Archibald into buying everything you have is not akin to a proper system. As I said I do enjoy this game. But the interaction with the AI feels lack luster and story wise it feels unfinished. I wish the competitors had proper questlines that show you more about them.

Yes...the quests have some flavor, it is from this flavor that we know Hunt is the grandmaster or how Qing's father works on tencent and wants her to spy on us. But in 4 years of dlc they never really expanded on this. I might be mistaken but I don't think I am

Sadly there is nothing like Caesar III, Patrician III or Port Royale 2, I played them for years and loved them, but they're gone as series at this point. Not even the new Patricians, Caesar and Port Royales hold the older standards, but if you don't know it yet there is a very good community mod for Caesar III called Augustus, it basically let's you play the game on modern systems up to 4K with updated interfaces and updates some mechanics too, there is a plague systems, there are many new buildings, ton of new decorations and it's all really well integrated, it seems like a proper expansion.

For the Anno series I personally prefer 1404 over 1800, in fact I think 1404 is my favorite overall, even if it's smaller in scale, I like a lot 1701 and 1602 too, I think you would have fun playing 1602 HE, it's the first of the series, it has no real AI character, not even a trader island, only random AI players and the endless game lacks almost every option as far as set up goes, but for being 26 years old it holds fairly well in my opinion, then again maybe it's that I'm used to playing to it.

I had no idea about the augustus mod. I own Caesar 3 on steam but it's clunky AF...It was the first pc game i ever owned back in 1999 together with simcity 2000 so it will always be a bit special but havent played it in a long time.

For anno 1404 i kind of feel like playing the campaign but the little time i'm playing lately it's being mostly not anno. I found a little gem in the next fest, perhaps you're interested. It's citadelum. It feels a lot like a modernized Caesar. Didnt dwell too deep in the demo as i made some mistakes in the planning due to lack of knowledge and that it's a demo after all but it feels good enough that i think it deserves a shot as a C3 fan.

Nice talk.

[gegyman]

No Steam, No Mac Version. After Anno 1800 i am out and going to play more Civ.