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TwoTonGamer May 10, 2019 @ 5:27pm
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Active Pause, pretty please...
I believe there is enough detailed management in the game to warrant an Active Pause option for single player.

I would like to pause and unhurriedly see what each island needs, plan trade routes, put down blueprints, inspect islands, respond to newspapers, expeditions and popups, etc.

There is actually a whole lot going on most of the time, which is great for the frantic RTS fans. An option for an Active Pause would really open this game up for the more relaxed city builder types.
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Engioc Aug 27, 2019 @ 4:59am 
Originally posted by City Builder:
I don't consider this as an RTS but rather a resource management game

All for active pause
I would agree with you there, I don't consider Anno games to be RTS. I know they'r real time, and personally I don't feel the need for an active pause as I stated, but Anno games are more about trade/resource management/city building. They're like a combo of SimCity/Cities Skylines and a game like Port Royale/Patrician.

Although Anno games do have land and ship combat, those elements are pretty basic, and I like it that way. I do include all AI, Pirates etc in my games, but I avoid wars. Its near impossible to get the pirate to play nice, but on the easy settings they're just a tiny annoyance and provide the motivation to properly defend my trade ships. Combat is so basic its really not worth wasting time on.
Last edited by Engioc; Aug 27, 2019 @ 5:04am
Caz Aug 28, 2019 @ 5:34pm 
I've been watching this thread for a couple weeks now. One thing I'm still trying to discern is why an active pause is necessary.

Having been part of the Anno franchise for over 10 years, one thing I've never felt is a need for an active pause. Nothing about this franchise is remotely that stressful or fast-paced.

Past Annos have had a Slow Time (which is roughly half speed) button, and I'm baffled as to why this would ever be removed. But even on normal speed, I've never seen any event that could not be recovered from short of downright flubbing production chains while at low funds. And that situation requires almost intentional effort.

Is Anno an RTS? Technically yes and technically no. Anno involves strategic thinking, but more in the vein of logistics than anything else. Strategic placement of production chains isn't really a thing until you start getting into the min/max mindset. And for most people, I doubt that will ever actually be a thing. Since "Real Time Logistics" isn't really a genre (more of a sub-genre, actually), Anno gets tagged with RTS.

But I've yet to see an argument in favor of active pause that made me consider thinking it should be considered.

The statement "don't like it, don't use it" is dismissive and isn't actually an argument. All I've seen so far for why people want it boils down to "i'm not good at managing one of the least stressful and easiest games on the market". I was talking about this with a coworker who also plays Anno and he made a statement that really sums this up well.... "If you can't handle Anno without an active pause, you probably shouldn't be playing anything more eventful than Solitaire." Anno really doesn't have enough going on at any point that would necessitate an active pause.

The Expedition and Newspaper taking up the entire screen and not pausing the world while they're open.... that needs to be fixed. I should never be rushed to read through an expedition or newspaper. Especially the newspaper since it comes up with no way to opt out of it automatically opening.
City Builder Aug 28, 2019 @ 7:04pm 
Originally posted by Caz:

The statement "don't like it, don't use it" is dismissive and isn't actually an argument. All I've seen so far for why people want it boils down to "i'm not good at managing one of the least stressful and easiest games on the market". I was talking about this with a coworker who also plays Anno and he made a statement that really sums this up well.... "If you can't handle Anno without an active pause, you probably shouldn't be playing anything more eventful than Solitaire." Anno really doesn't have enough going on at any point that would necessitate an active pause.

You don't think that "i'm not good at managing one of the least stressful and easiest games on the market" is dismissive? Even when plenty of people have stated that it is stressful for them, especially more so with the two worlds? I do.

I'll dismiss you... Don't like it you don't have to use it, why ♥♥♥♥ on someone else's parade because you don't find it necessary for your style of play and your being less stressed out than your fellow players when it's being suggested as an option, an option that YOU don't have to use yourself.

I've never seen the wisdom in people that believe that if they don't need it, nobody needs it. I don't need a wheel chair but my brother does, should I not give it to him because I don't need it? You just dismissed people with your whole paragraph.

Perhaps you need to be less dismissive and more tolerant of how others might want to play a different way than you do.

Here, let me be even more dismissive of you
Originally posted by Caz:
The Expedition and Newspaper taking up the entire screen and not pausing the world while they're open.... that needs to be fixed. I should never be rushed to read through an expedition or newspaper. Especially the newspaper since it comes up with no way to opt out of it automatically opening
There are some that don't find that to be an issue, so you shouldn't either or maybe you're playing the wrong game and should play nothing more exciting than Solitaire.

See how that works? No, I don't guess that you will.
Last edited by City Builder; Aug 28, 2019 @ 8:04pm
gmsh1964 Aug 28, 2019 @ 8:00pm 
How come every response against Active Pause OPTION is nonsense? I do not understand why any of them post. We are asking for the OPTION, jeezus christ!!!
TheDeadlyShoe Aug 28, 2019 @ 10:50pm 
*OP posts suggestion
*Someone criticizes it
*OP says 'just make it optional'

-Literally every suggestion thread in the history of video gaming

Caz Aug 29, 2019 @ 12:00am 
Originally posted by City Builder:
You don't think that "i'm not good at managing one of the least stressful and easiest games on the market" is dismissive?
Considering that's what every post in favor of this has boiled down to, it's not dismissive. It's simply pointing out the basis of almost every post asking for it has been

Originally posted by City Builder:
Even when plenty of people have stated that it is stressful for them, especially more so with the two worlds? I do.
Dark Souls games are stressful. Bullet-hell games are stressful. High energy pvp games are stressful. Nothing about Anno is stressful. As I pointed out in my post, Anno is one of the least stressful games that exists. Nothing in Anno requires fast reaction times or immediate attention if something happens. There is nothing stressful about this game.

Originally posted by City Builder:
I'll dismiss you...
People that don't like reality tend to be dismissive when reality shows up.

Originally posted by City Builder:
Don't like it you don't have to use it, why sh** on someone else's parade because you don't find it necessary for your style of play and your being less stressed out than your fellow players when it's being suggested as an option, an option that YOU don't have to use yourself.
It's not crapping on someone else's parade. It's stating objective reality. There is no necessity for active pause. You've done nothing but regurgitate what's already been said.

Originally posted by City Builder:
I've never seen the wisdom in people that believe that if they don't need it, nobody needs it.
Neither have I. So it's a good thing that's not what I'm doing here. You think I am because you don't like the reality of the situation and I'm pointing out that reality. I'm one of the biggest advocates for more options for players. But I don't support options that are counter to the vision of the developers and/or brings something into a franchise that has no necessity.

Originally posted by City Builder:
I don't need a wheel chair but my brother does, should I not give it to him because I don't need it? You just dismissed people with your whole paragraph.
Hyperbole doesn't help your case.

Originally posted by City Builder:
Perhaps you need to be less dismissive and more tolerant of how others might want to play a different way than you do.
Perhaps you need to step back and re-examine how you're in any way getting stressed while playing one of the least stressful games that exists.
Again, I'm not being dismissive. I pointed out the reality of the situation, and it turned you into a broken record that's stuck on "NU UH!! UR DISMISSIVE!!" You have presented nothing new, you have not countered anything I've pointed out. The first line of my post points out that I've been watching this thread for two weeks. If I was being dismissive, I wouldn't have even posted at all.

Originally posted by City Builder:
Here, let me be even more dismissive of you
If you want to stick your fingers in your ears and yell "la la i cant hear you", that's up to you. It means you won't be able to consider any other view point than your own, though.

Originally posted by City Builder:
Originally posted by Caz:
The Expedition and Newspaper taking up the entire screen and not pausing the world while they're open.... that needs to be fixed. I should never be rushed to read through an expedition or newspaper. Especially the newspaper since it comes up with no way to opt out of it automatically opening
There are some that don't find that to be an issue, so you shouldn't either or maybe you're playing the wrong game and should play nothing more exciting than Solitaire.

See how that works? No, I don't guess that you will.
The only people saying this is fine are trolls. Using them as an example does not help your argument.

You will, of course, cherry pick from this post the same way you did from my initial post. You've already plugged your proverbial ears and have no interest in any viewpoint other than those that agree with what you've already decided. And, of course, you will accuse me of this, because that's what people with their fingers in their ears do.

You already proved you disregard what's said in favor of dismissing viewpoints that don't conform to what you want because you completely ignored where I pointed out that previous Annos had a Slow Speed button and remarked that the removal of that doesn't make sense.

Originally posted by gmsh1964:
How come every response against Active Pause OPTION is nonsense? I do not understand why any of them post. We are asking for the OPTION, jeezus christ!!!
Because it's an OPTION that is...
1 - Unnecessary
2 - Contrary to the franchise

Neither of those are nonsense. Not liking the reason doesn't make the reason nonsense.
As someone else pointed out, if they add an active pause, they will have to balance the game around that being available. That will change how the game plays from bottom to top. That is not nonsense, that is understanding how game design works.
Last edited by Caz; Aug 29, 2019 @ 12:03am
Caz Aug 29, 2019 @ 12:07am 
Originally posted by TheDeadlyShoe:
*OP posts suggestion
*Someone criticizes it
*OP says 'just make it optional'

-Literally every suggestion thread in the history of video gaming
To make this more accurate...

*OP posts suggestion
*Someone makes valid points
*People who agree with OP ignore valid points and bash anyone who doesn't agree with OP
*More people make valid points
*More people ignore the valid points
*Eventually the thread dies
ovehaithabu Aug 29, 2019 @ 10:18am 
Originally posted by Caz:
But I've yet to see an argument in favor of active pause that made me consider thinking it should be considered.

Personally, I like the option to zoom into street mode and walk around my town. There is a lot of detail in the game, birds flying, people working and even trees moving in the wind. There are cats walking in the streets as well.

I also like to plan a city in detail, calculate the radius of a utility building, use blueprints etc. It can easily take a while to have the street layouts right before I even build the first houses and have people move in.

For that I would need an active pause.
ovehaithabu Aug 29, 2019 @ 10:39am 
Originally posted by Caz:
"If you can't handle Anno without an active pause, you probably shouldn't be playing anything more eventful than Solitaire."
That is a very dismissive and even arrogant comment. It's not necessary about being able or not, it about enjoying it. After all it's only a game. I play games because I enjoy it.

Comments like this show a lack of respect for others since they indicate "Cool games are only for cool people like myself. Others who are below my standard should not play them (nor other cool games)."
Sassy Red Aug 29, 2019 @ 10:49am 
Originally posted by Caz:
I've been watching this thread for a couple weeks now. One thing I'm still trying to discern is why an active pause is necessary.

Having been part of the Anno franchise for over 10 years, one thing I've never felt is a need for an active pause. Nothing about this franchise is remotely that stressful or fast-paced.

Past Annos have had a Slow Time (which is roughly half speed) button, and I'm baffled as to why this would ever be removed. But even on normal speed, I've never seen any event that could not be recovered from short of downright flubbing production chains while at low funds. And that situation requires almost intentional effort.

Is Anno an RTS? Technically yes and technically no. Anno involves strategic thinking, but more in the vein of logistics than anything else. Strategic placement of production chains isn't really a thing until you start getting into the min/max mindset. And for most people, I doubt that will ever actually be a thing. Since "Real Time Logistics" isn't really a genre (more of a sub-genre, actually), Anno gets tagged with RTS.

But I've yet to see an argument in favor of active pause that made me consider thinking it should be considered.

The statement "don't like it, don't use it" is dismissive and isn't actually an argument. All I've seen so far for why people want it boils down to "i'm not good at managing one of the least stressful and easiest games on the market". I was talking about this with a coworker who also plays Anno and he made a statement that really sums this up well.... "If you can't handle Anno without an active pause, you probably shouldn't be playing anything more eventful than Solitaire." Anno really doesn't have enough going on at any point that would necessitate an active pause.

The Expedition and Newspaper taking up the entire screen and not pausing the world while they're open.... that needs to be fixed. I should never be rushed to read through an expedition or newspaper. Especially the newspaper since it comes up with no way to opt out of it automatically opening.






For me it is not about where to place the product... It is about I am learning the game and going bankrupt because I am bleeding cash at an unbelievable pace.

The active pause will give me time to find out what is wrong and fix it before I go bankrupt. Which has happened to me.

Also what is your problem anyway.. Not everyone wants to be you. Just because you don't want to use an active pause it dose not mean others don't. We are asking for an option to turn it on. You can just leave it off. How dose it even effect you. Are you offend there is a easy game when you only play the harder version... I don't understand why you even should have a say.

This is an request for the developer to make an active pause an option to turn on.

If you don't like it don't use it..... It is that simple...

Commenting on how easy the game is and that people don't need an active pause because it is so easy.... Is just rude
Caz Aug 29, 2019 @ 2:57pm 
Originally posted by ovehaithabu:
Originally posted by Caz:
But I've yet to see an argument in favor of active pause that made me consider thinking it should be considered.

Personally, I like the option to zoom into street mode and walk around my town. There is a lot of detail in the game, birds flying, people working and even trees moving in the wind. There are cats walking in the streets as well.

I also like to plan a city in detail, calculate the radius of a utility building, use blueprints etc. It can easily take a while to have the street layouts right before I even build the first houses and have people move in.

For that I would need an active pause.
You don't need active pause for this. This is very similar to how I build. If you were to pause while doing all this, you would actually be losing out on money.

Originally posted by ovehaithabu:
Originally posted by Caz:
"If you can't handle Anno without an active pause, you probably shouldn't be playing anything more eventful than Solitaire."
That is a very dismissive and even arrogant comment. It's not necessary about being able or not, it about enjoying it. After all it's only a game. I play games because I enjoy it.

Comments like this show a lack of respect for others since they indicate "Cool games are only for cool people like myself. Others who are below my standard should not play them (nor other cool games)."
Wrong. It is neither dismissive nor arrogant. You completely ignored where I pointed out how this game is not stressful.
Last edited by Caz; Aug 29, 2019 @ 3:21pm
Caz Aug 29, 2019 @ 3:19pm 
Originally posted by Doreen:
For me it is not about where to place the product... It is about I am learning the game and going bankrupt because I am bleeding cash at an unbelievable pace.

The active pause will give me time to find out what is wrong and fix it before I go bankrupt. Which has happened to me.
That happened to me when I first started playing Anno. I did a google search on how to make money and that solved the problem. I was approaching the problem like it was SimCity. It's hard to lose an Anno game, especially at the start, once you approach it as an Anno game and not some other game.

Originally posted by Doreen:
Also what is your problem anyway..
People who plug their ears and refuse to consider other viewpoints while also bashing people making valid points.

Originally posted by Doreen:
Not everyone wants to be you.
Good. That would be a boring world.

Originally posted by Doreen:
Just because you don't want to use an active pause it dose not mean others don't.
Lets make something clear. This has absolutely nothing to do with what I want or don't want. I want a lot of things in Anno. One thing I want is maps like in 1404 and 2070. I don't like this sessions/multimap thing they're going with. But I see the benefits of it. Being able to consider the opposing side, to actually think about a different viewpoint, allows you to better understand why something has been done the way it is. If active pause was added, I would probably make use of it, simply because it's there. It's going to be interesting to see how that statement is taken as implicit support and I'll be called a hypocrite by people who don't understand that you can be opposed to something being added but still use it if it is. See, my stance against it being added has nothing to do with what I want. No Anno game has ever had it, no Anno game has ever been designed with it in mind. It's addition will change how balance is handled. That's one reason why it shouldn't be added, it will fundamentally change how the game is played.

Originally posted by Doreen:
We are asking for an option to turn it on. You can just leave it off. How dose it even effect you.
Because it will result in how the game is designed.

Originally posted by Doreen:
Are you offend there is a easy game when you only play the harder version...
Don't resort to trolling.

Originally posted by Doreen:
I don't understand why you even should have a say.
That's an incredibly closed minded thing to say. I'll give you two reasons why I, and you, should have a say.
1 - Public forum
2 - We both own the game. Or, if you don't, you should still have a say if you're interested in the game.

Unlike yourself, I don't think anyone should be silenced, even those I don't agree with. Doesn't leave a good look for you that you feel anyone who doesn't agree with you shouldn't have a say.

Originally posted by Doreen:
This is an request for the developer to make an active pause an option to turn on.
And people have stated that it's not necessary. Even the devs have stated they aren't in favor of it. I know they said they'll consider it, but they've made it clear, across multiple Anno titles, that active pause does not fit with how Anno plays. Yes, this isn't the first Anno where people have asked for this.

Originally posted by Doreen:
If you don't like it don't use it..... It is that simple...
There's that regurgitated dismissive line again.

Originally posted by Doreen:
Commenting on how easy the game is and that people don't need an active pause because it is so easy.... Is just rude
It's not rude, it's pointing out a fact. By all objective measures, Anno is an easy game. There are things that can be done to make it more difficult, which is standard practice for games. But it's not rude to point out that the game is easy and doesn't need active pause.

But, yet again, no attempt was made to consider the opposing viewpoint. You don't like that someone has pointed out a reality of the game and therefore you resort to attacking the person instead of addressing the points. But hey, credit where it's due, CityBuilder at least didn't advocate for silencing me. Have to be a pretty scummy person to advocate silencing others.
gmsh1964 Aug 29, 2019 @ 7:11pm 
Caz, I read your posts on your profile for this and other games. You are something else. Please stop posting here, and let those of us that want an Active Pause to keep requesting it. Thanks.
ovehaithabu Aug 30, 2019 @ 6:58am 
Originally posted by Caz:
You don't need active pause for this. This is very similar to how I build. If you were to pause while doing all this, you would actually be losing out on money.
Let me play the way I want to play the game and I let you play the way you want to be. If there is an active pause we both would have our way. Not sure how you decide that your way is the only way and my way should not be there anyway despite it would not affect you. We are not talking about multiplayer where I pause the game and you have to wait until I am done.

Originally posted by Caz:
Wrong. It is neither dismissive nor arrogant. You completely ignored where I pointed out how this game is not stressful.
Of course it's arrogant to say "it is dismissive if you tell me don't like it, don't use it but it's ok if I tell you can't handle it, don't play (anything except Solitaire)"
Last edited by ovehaithabu; Aug 30, 2019 @ 7:00am
Caz Aug 30, 2019 @ 8:31am 
Originally posted by gmsh1964:
Caz, I read your posts on your profile for this and other games. You are something else. Please stop posting here, and let those of us that want an Active Pause to keep requesting it. Thanks.
So instead of focusing on the topic, you choose to make personal attacks. You're not helping the people that want an active pause.

Originally posted by ovehaithabu:
Let me play the way I want to play the game and I let you play the way you want to be.
No one is stopping you from playing the game the way you want. Active pause is not part of the game, and your comment is implying that someone is preventing you from using it.

Originally posted by ovehaithabu:
If there is an active pause we both would have our way.
No, we wouldn't. I've already explained this, as have others. It repeatedly gets ignored because you don't care that it would change how the game is balanced. So no, we would not both get our way if it was added.

Originally posted by ovehaithabu:
Not sure how you decide that your way is the only way and my way should not be there anyway despite it would not affect you.
Not sure why you're assuming I'm trying to decide what you're accusing me of. I'm not. I don't want the game to be balanced around something that would fundamentally change how the game is played. But this will be ignored again in favor of making baseless accusations and people saying I shouldn't be allowed to post.

Originally posted by ovehaithabu:
We are not talking about multiplayer where I pause the game and you have to wait until I am done.
I never mentioned multiplayer.

Originally posted by ovehaithabu:
Of course it's arrogant to say "it is dismissive if you tell me don't like it, don't use it but it's ok if I tell you can't handle it, don't play (anything except Solitaire)"
You didn't quote what I said. You're adding things I did not say. I didn't say don't play Anno. Making things up that I didn't say doesn't help your argument, in discredits it.

No one can give a good reason why active pause is necessary. When someone points out why it's not, instead of countering the reasons given for it not being necessary, the person is attacked, misquoted, told they shouldn't be allowed to have a say, etc. Since this is all you have in your arsenal, there's clearly no concern about active pause ever being added. It never will be when this is how you ask for it.
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