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I have no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ clue how to piece this all together. So, there are two cults, these Stargazers who have this artifact that gives Don the Hunters mark, then these fish people who worship a certain Dagon. Why? How? What? What was their purpose? Why did they want the Necronomicon in the first place? Why did the Fish People Order breed this giant Hafgufa Octopus? Or was that all the doing of the Butcher? And who was the Butcher? And why did he do all these things? Because he wanted to be a God? What?!
Then there is this Olmstein character, what is he? An alien most likely, I guess, with access to a metric ♥♥♥♥ ton of technology that looks like magic to everyone. Or is it a God? It seems that the Earth went through a cycle, and ever X years there are people who fill out the "roles" and do the same things, just a bit different (as shown in the pictures in the office like room). And no one, through all these millennia saw a weird island with weird things floating around? Was the island invisible until now? Why this island and why the ship (where the Ghost captain came from).
Is Kitteh now dead or what? What was the big light? Where did they go? Where are they now? Will there be a DLC or another game? Or a comic?
To me, all this is not a very satisfying ending. I mean, kudos to the Developers. Three person team, awesome game, really.... up until the ending. It feels like there is a metric ♥♥♥♥ ton of cut content somewhere. Or are all the answers in the game somewhere and I have not found them? I am 90% sad and 10% angry that, after 10 hours of an entertaining game, I am left behind confused and without satisfaction and closure :-(.
have a look at the book translation - https://steamcommunity.com/app/914020/discussions/0/3185654583881307550/
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Kitteh was alive at the end, she was the beast/monster. It was hinted at in paris with the starred circle.
and yea i write it mostly directed at developers
starcult was so interesting yet so undeveloped. It basically disappeared when it started to have spotlight...
ending was a little obvious:
1. kitteh will die was certain as soon as she was locked in a box and you left her.
2. She will be revived somehow because sequel foreshadowing (plot armor)
3. Of course normal cthulhu will appear ;3
4. There is detonator so yea it will be used in dramatic way
if you would add like optional not writed anywhere mission to arm this bombs it would not be so obvious and allow for cheap multiple endings.
you could also add more additional objectives for it like what would happen if we would not discover that bells need to be used at the same time or we don't had enough friends on our side.
Goal and villain must be as interesting as main characters to make audience care.
just check Vaas from far cry 3. he never fights you and you basically never see him during gameplay but his taunts made him really interesting to the point where you wanted to meet him again but if we would meet him only at final battle he would be a shadow of himself.
Don't be afraid to show your enemy just out of our range.
For example if we would see him escaping with dragon wings seconds before we arrive or he himself would release beasts at Ketype in laboratory it would allow player to see him maybe even talk with him.
Anything that allows us to meet him before last 10 minutes of a game would be improvement ;3.
When you have interesting villain and allow him to interact with main cast stories write themselves.
As for now he is another replaceable and forgettable villain without any personality other than "I want cthulhu".
(yea i know there is a book that gives more lore about him but lets be honest 99% of players don't know it)
Is Kitteh now dead or what? What was the big light? Where did they go? Where are they now? Will there be a DLC or another game? Or a comic?
This sums up my feeling after finishing the game; IS it that someone has the answers to these questions?
Thanks, I will read that thread. But, on a more general note: call me old fashioned, but I should not need to decipher some weird Wingdings characters from an in-game book (that you can easily miss, I probably have) to get answers to the questions the story is asking. The game itself should answer all these questions. If not, then there is something wrong with the story the game wants to tell. Oh, and if Kitteh was the monster, what the ♥♥♥♥ was this "real" Chtulhu thing then?
@rylnd : The two cults are not the main antognists there. There's just enough in the game to piece together what gods from the Cthulhu Mythos they worship and they're just that, cultists. People who believe the Great Old Ones and Outer Gods are proper gods to be worshipped and humans are futiles. The Hafgufa was supposed to be "The Meal". As far as I can tell a meal to Cthulhu (which he ended up being) but I'm not sure. But yeah it was meant to feed a creature and since that creature is referred to as the Dreamer, I'm almost 100% it's Cthulhu. Olmstein I strongly believe is a Great Old One or an Outer God with either a neutral or positive stance toward humans. From the end of the last chapter it's obvious he's likely playing his own game. The book from the second-to-last room leads me to believe he might be human though. Why and how he intertwined his fate with the Necronomicon I don't really understand, but he did. As for the cycles I'm not entirely sure either and since we don't know for how long Olmstein has been operating it's hard to really tell. Earth itself doesn't go through cycles, but whether the previous adventurers were meant to fail or not is unclear. I believe though everything was planned, since one of the last books sees Olmstein saying something along the lines of "such dark and beautiful stories, they need to happen, tales of globe trotting adventures and lurking horror". At one point I almost believed the story to be self conscious and Olmstein being the author of the story, maybe even game (because of the portraits of the items at the end). Kitteh is dead but may have been the Beast all along (just unknowingly, the same as Buzz is clearly unaware of being Corvinus, the may actually end up being deadly enemies to each other). The light is very likely Olmstein, which is why I tend to think he's more likely an Outer God than a human. As to where it brings them the cutscene seems to pretty explicitly indicate they're being transported to the moon. Whether it is the real moon or a dimension-less Lovecraftian horror-realm moon is yet to determine though.
@Asmendorius : The thing is they were going for a Lovecraftian tale. Lovecraft shines through the lifelikeness of his stories. They feel as horrific as they do because they could be real, not because the villains are badass ;) The main theme is lurking horrors, cults that act in the shadow to wake unspeakable terror, so having a distant unreachable villain like the Butcher made it very Lovecraft-like in that respect (about which I congratulate the devs by the way) !
There's a lot to piece together but if you interact with almost everything and listen carefully to all dialogues, I feel like the only unanswered questions are legitimately so, either because they add to the lovecraftian ambiance, or because they hint at a sequel (which is explicitly hinted at by the inn owners in Transylvania, something along the lines that they can't reveal too much about their reaction to him looking like Corvinus, and Buzz answers that he hopes it doesn't have to do with some future adventure following this one) ! So yeah I hope I answered as well as I could.
I think a decent knowledge of the Lovecraft-verse is needed to comprehend some of the things that are going on, but that's part of the charm :)
Edit : Olmstein is definitely a Great Old One or Outer God now I think about it. he appears differently to everyone but most importantly he is indescribable. Noone can quite grasps what he looks like or describe what they see him as. He just naturally appear as a trustable figure (humanoid or otherwise). Now what does that sound like. To me it sounds very much like Cthulhu itself, who can take on many different aspects in the physical realm, and appear differently to different people (just as a malevolent instead of benevolent figure) and appears as such because it is not naturally from the physical realm, and is as a result, indescribable (some do try, unlike for Olmstein, but not all gods from HP Lovecraft are equal, so Olmstein could very well have a trust-inducing brainwashing power similar to the Silence in Doctor Who, except it only affects your memory of his physical appearance)
for me olmstein seems like nyarlatothep because he can shapeshift and likes to act. Otherwise good point :)
Also what was the Butcher? He seemed part robot too like his MCHK. Was he one of the people from the last round? Was he last rounds Beast, wiry guy with glasses? (Peace seems to be this rounds Beast?)
If Barnabas was one of the roles (per Portal in penultimate room) why was he not there. Unless he was the Butcher but he rang the bell, though if he didn't ring the bell then who did? I'm guessing he's "The Protector".
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1860782637
1-Who is Cornivus (for the post about maybe Buzz is Cornivus, and maybe Kitteh was The Beast all along) and who is the Hunter, as i rememebr we dont talk too much about him, like, I dont even remember what was the goal of The SKC and the hunter.
2-If i remember correctly with the pictures of the roles and all, There is only 2 Groups who had the same... Map... if i can say? If you check the Perfect Triangle, there is only the first group on the list and the Don, Peace, Barnabas, Kerwan Group who have the same Perfect Triangle in the same position, I dont know if it's pure concidence, or does this means something? And what even were they're goals if the butcher wasn't here.
I agree with almost everything you said... However, I was kind of thinking that dear old Bob was maybe Nyarlathotep? I only remember Cthulhu appearing in dreams (Although I'll admit that there is still a lot of HPL that I haven't read yet). Nyarlathotep has a lot of stories where he pretends to be a human, but the one that jumps out to me is The Dream Quest of Unknown Kadath because of the way he "helps" Randolph Carter.
On the other hand, I'm pretty sure that "The Haunter" is Nyarlathotep, due to The Haunter in the Dark which mentions the shining trapezohedron. But maybe he could be going by both names? It doesn't seem quite too far fetched, since there seems to be a version of Don in every one of Olmstein's stories.
I 100% agree that Cthulhu is "The Dreamer," though. "Cthulhu fhtagn!" means "Cthulhu dreams," right? And the cultists were upset because they called him "The Dreamer" because they were trying to awaken him.
@Teao
The Butcher was one of the characters in Don's case files... Herbertus Occid, who is listed as location "unknown, possibly relocated to Fishmouth." There were enough clues that I vaguely remembered him on the first play through, although I wasn't for sure until I grabbed a screenshot the second time. I think it was just supposed to be a funny easter egg to people who read through all the casefiles, especially since they mention him in the DLC art book.
As to why he was there at all, the point was that he's just another crazy cultist dude. We needed a villain that we could realistically stop, with the general impression being that Outer Gods like Cthulhu are probably too powerful for our trio to do anything about (at least in this game. Maybe we'll build up to it later). I think it could have been done a little better, but I bet the reason they chased after Olmstein at the end was because he's going to eventually be The Villain.
It is a little weird that Barnabas wasn't there, now that you mention it... My best guess is that the Butcher "messed up the story" by forcing Barnabas to ring the bells (which nobody in the past had to do). Since all of the old chosen people died, maybe Olmstein will give our group will get a "do over" where he tries to kill them all at once. ;)
@Narfysk
1. The moment that Buzz told us his last name was Kerwan, I was totally freaking out because there is a very bad villain named "Joseph Curwen" in the novel The Case of Charles Dexter Ward. When the inn keepers recognized his last name in Transylvania, I was for sure that I was right... And then the started talking about some "Corvinus" and I started to second guess myself a little. But... after finishing the story, I'm pretty sure my original opinion was right. Remember the weird creatures in the pits of Fishmouth, where we have to drop a cage to protect Don? And those piles of dust in Paris? Both of those things are related to Joseph Curwen. If so, we are in for a very bad fairly immortal villain in the second game. }:)
2. I would need to look at the map again, but I think I can respond to the last part of the question. It makes me wonder if maybe Olmstein is the one making sure Cthulhu stays sleeping, through his use of human puppets? I definitely believe that Olmstein is really Nyarlathotep. Nyarlathotep has been known to shapeshift and go unnoticed among humans, who he often brainwashes for his own ends. Since he is one of the "Outer Gods," it also means he was part of a (losing) war against Cthulhu and his offspring... so it would make sense if he was trying to keep the real Cthulhu asleep down there.