No blm

[imp_error]

no way guys. there's no fun playing alcoholical-girl. Be tolerant but no one more dollar.

[Munin-03]

Has Anyone Really Been Far Even as Decided to Use Even Go Want to do Look More Like?

[Lord Dickinson McCheddar]

This game is far too effeminate. I wouldn't call it a girl.

[Rogue]

Is everyone in this thread having a stroke or is there actually something being discussed?

[Munin-03]

Originally posted by Rogue:

Is everyone in this thread having a stroke or is there actually something being discussed?

guy post "there's no fun playing alcoholical-girl." i saed how? maybe two dollar bad but dollar one is good? gota be tolerant no blm only alcholical-girl. :(

[Lord Dickinson McCheddar]

I somewhat agree with OP.

Her morphology doesn't quite fit. A combination of features that don't appear commonly and a novel creation that just doesn't really do anything.

You've got a woman that appears to be getting a long a bit at least close to her thirties but possible a decade more (voice sounds forties and like she binge smokes) combined with a mopey adolescent male. Sort of a washed out tomboy.

To make the point I put this into an online image gender detector...

"Gender detect result: male, Age: 23"

"Gender detect result: male, Age: 28"

"Gender detect result: female, Age: 31"

"Gender detect result: male, Age: 22"

The same ambiguity my occipital lobe perceives. It's unequivocable that this character morphologically is half male half female.

This is part of a trend of bad character renderings that are unconvincing and these days there a habit to assume that bad characters are arising from political correctness as it's forced rather than natural which may often be true.

I've long enjoyed things with less common leads or characters such as Phantasy Star, Tomb Raider, DS9/Voyager, Red Dwarf, Ren and Stimpy (a gay couple), etc. This new wave however feels contrived and unconvincing.

I do not think it is purely a matter of identity politics but also stagnation in the creative industry as well as a lack of innovation where people often follow trends over originality.

You can get masculine females, though as an outlier and they're harder to draw especially as there are often few samples to draw from.

There seems to be a trend of having female but not female protagonists. Even She-Ra put a tutu onto a definitively male build. Similarly many may underappreciate the difficulty in authentically fitting females into male roles while still maintaining the proper balance. The artists may have struggled at this and that's why they may have made the mistake of illustrating the character as looking more physically male to fit into a male role in a way that they felt looked authentic as well as having distorted posture, mannerisms, behaviour, haunts, etc.

Some of the discrepancy may be that women reaching menopause as well as further growth are naturally slightly more masculinized. If you're drawing cartoons you may not have enough detail to always as easily depict middle age which is in between two extremes. Though she comes off more as a budding spinster than a widow.

The choice of the name Juno does make me think they were aware of it though. As far as I'm aware the most common convention we're exposed to ends with o for male names and a for female names but Juno is an exception. I suspect the character is deliberately ambiguous.

There are many reasons for calamity in the creative industry that people are often unaware of. Producers often will try to expand their audience to double their sales but will often fail making products that are unattractive to both half the time either having no effect or the worst of both worlds and going down the drain.

Similarly attempts to be hip and cool with the youth have often produced crass and cringeworthy outcomes.

A lot of historically successful franchises run dry. Some are in their death throes one foot in the grave so will release a last ditch effort as a last shot in the dark with random things like contemporary identity politics to try to appeal to something new because nothing else works anyway.

Others will release anything not really caring about quality to milk what's left of the name. The problem is a lot of these franchises are role models and people don't often appreciate at what point they no longer have the quality that made them successful in the first place. For example most people don't realise Star Trek died with Enterprise and that Final Fantasy died after the PS2 era.

In these cases the goose starts laying rotten eggs but still has its reputation from when it was laying golden eggs.

If you wanted true Final Fantasy quality again you played something like Lost Odyssey or many of the other far superior titles. If you want Star Trek quality again, you don't have so many choices but you do have things such as The Orville. It's a mistake assume the latest is the greatest. If anything these poorly modernised versions of the titles can now only serve to give a bad impression.

I've had some interactions with the modelling industry and it's not pleasant. Women are as skinny as a rake not only for modesty but to desexualise and sometimes not always for good. It allows getting away with more exposure sometimes but more importantly it ensures the woman don't compete with the outfit and are effectively cloth stands.

There are multiple reasons for these trends but one of them is to effectively desexualise women and the only way to really do that (not have men gawp at them) is to make them masculine. It's really an impossible task. As soon as you start to make something accurately female it's going to excite males. That's nature. You end up with a situation where if you do not seek to provoke the libido you must obliterate the entire gender from existence.

Some sociologists consider masculinised depictions of females as a form of stealth burka. It's not only about defeminising characters to remove attraction. If you buy fake plastic flies and put it in people's soup as a prank they won't eat it. It's sometimes also used as a repellent. At the same time there are various social dynamics where women may also desire less good looking female characters (competition that can't be competed with in a system where women are significantly more valued based on looks).

In this case however it's another weird mismatch. I would really like the character designer to explain in this case what's going on with that behind. It looks like someone squeezed it so hard it stayed squeezed. Some kind of accident involving a large vice.

In this case it could be a lot worse. It manages to be semi authentic. It's not as catastrophic as STD (even the abbreviation makes it explicitly clear the creator's contempt for the brand they have inherited and its fans) or Ghost Busters. The character isn't all that enthralling though. Seems like the character has the hump.

The creator's intent may not be political at all but a lot of people are tired of having politics shoved in their face everywhere to the point it's really hard to tell these days. People play games as an escape including from the incessant monotonous political nagging that you see and hear everywhere else you look.

A lot of people don't appreciate what on face value may appear to be not only virtue signalling but with no redeemable qualities either to the point of backfiring. A lot of people are tired of cases where in creating character a laziness creeps in where people think they only have to make them diverse and that's enough. It's snakeoil solutions to real problems. People should focus at what they're great at such as creating virtual worlds. They should leave fixing the real world to the geniuses and savants.

It could be a misread. I look at things with a female protagonist and assume it's political or ideological pandering these days because it usually is.

[Munin-03]

Originally posted by SpooDinner:

I somewhat agree with OP.

Her morphology doesn't quite fit. A combination of features that don't appear commonly and a novel creation that just doesn't really do anything.

You've got a woman that appears to be getting a long a bit at least close to her thirties but possible a decade more (voice sounds forties and like she binge smokes) combined with a mopey adolescent male. Sort of a washed out tomboy.

To make the point I put this into an online image gender detector...

"Gender detect result: male, Age: 23"

"Gender detect result: male, Age: 28"

"Gender detect result: female, Age: 31"

"Gender detect result: male, Age: 22"

The same ambiguity my occipital lobe perceives. It's unequivocable that this character morphologically is half male half female.

This is part of a trend of bad character renderings that are unconvincing and these days there a habit to assume that bad characters are arising from political correctness as it's forced rather than natural which may often be true.

I've long enjoyed things with less common leads or characters such as Phantasy Star, Tomb Raider, DS9/Voyager, Red Dwarf, Ren and Stimpy (a gay couple), etc. This new wave however feels contrived and unconvincing.

I do not think it is purely a matter of identity politics but also stagnation in the creative industry as well as a lack of innovation where people often follow trends over originality.

You can get masculine females, though as an outlier and they're harder to draw especially as there are often few samples to draw from.

There seems to be a trend of having female but not female protagonists. Even She-Ra put a tutu onto a definitively male build. Similarly many may underappreciate the difficulty in authentically fitting females into male roles while still maintaining the proper balance. The artists may have struggled at this and that's why they may have made the mistake of illustrating the character as looking more physically male to fit into a male role in a way that they felt looked authentic as well as having distorted posture, mannerisms, behaviour, haunts, etc.

Some of the discrepancy may be that women reaching menopause as well as further growth are naturally slightly more masculinized. If you're drawing cartoons you may not have enough detail to always as easily depict middle age which is in between two extremes. Though she comes off more as a budding spinster than a widow.

The choice of the name Juno does make me think they were aware of it though. As far as I'm aware the most common convention we're exposed to ends with o for male names and a for female names but Juno is an exception. I suspect the character is deliberately ambiguous.

There are many reasons for calamity in the creative industry that people are often unaware of. Producers often will try to expand their audience to double their sales but will often fail making products that are unattractive to both half the time either having no effect or the worst of both worlds and going down the drain.

Similarly attempts to be hip and cool with the youth have often produced crass and cringeworthy outcomes.

A lot of historically successful franchises run dry. Some are in their death throes one foot in the grave so will release a last ditch effort as a last shot in the dark with random things like contemporary identity politics to try to appeal to something new because nothing else works anyway.

Others will release anything not really caring about quality to milk what's left of the name. The problem is a lot of these franchises are role models and people don't often appreciate at what point they no longer have the quality that made them successful in the first place. For example most people don't realise Star Trek died with Enterprise and that Final Fantasy died after the PS2 era.

In these cases the goose starts laying rotten eggs but still has its reputation from when it was laying golden eggs.

If you wanted true Final Fantasy quality again you played something like Lost Odyssey or many of the other far superior titles. If you want Star Trek quality again, you don't have so many choices but you do have things such as The Orville. It's a mistake assume the latest is the greatest. If anything these poorly modernised versions of the titles can now only serve to give a bad impression.

I've had some interactions with the modelling industry and it's not pleasant. Women are as skinny as a rake not only for modesty but to desexualise and sometimes not always for good. It allows getting away with more exposure sometimes but more importantly it ensures the woman don't compete with the outfit and are effectively cloth stands.

There are multiple reasons for these trends but one of them is to effectively desexualise women and the only way to really do that (not have men gawp at them) is to make them masculine. It's really an impossible task. As soon as you start to make something accurately female it's going to excite males. That's nature. You end up with a situation where if you do not seek to provoke the libido you must obliterate the entire gender from existence.

Some sociologists consider masculinised depictions of females as a form of stealth burka. It's not only about defeminising characters to remove attraction. If you buy fake plastic flies and put it in people's soup as a prank they won't eat it. It's sometimes also used as a repellent. At the same time there are various social dynamics where women may also desire less good looking female characters (competition that can't be competed with in a system where women are significantly more valued based on looks).

In this case however it's another weird mismatch. I would really like the character designer to explain in this case what's going on with that behind. It looks like someone squeezed it so hard it stayed squeezed. Some kind of accident involving a large vice.

In this case it could be a lot worse. It manages to be semi authentic. It's not as catastrophic as STD (even the abbreviation makes it explicitly clear the creator's contempt for the brand they have inherited and its fans) or Ghost Busters. The character isn't all that enthralling though. Seems like the character has the hump.

The creator's intent may not be political at all but a lot of people are tired of having politics shoved in their face everywhere to the point it's really hard to tell these days. People play games as an escape including from the incessant monotonous political nagging that you see and hear everywhere else you look.

A lot of people don't appreciate what on face value may appear to be not only virtue signalling but with no redeemable qualities either to the point of backfiring. A lot of people are tired of cases where in creating character a laziness creeps in where people think they only have to make them diverse and that's enough. It's snakeoil solutions to real problems. People should focus at what they're great at such as creating virtual worlds. They should leave fixing the real world to the geniuses and savants.

It could be a misread. I look at things with a female protagonist and assume it's political or ideological pandering these days because it usually is.

bt spaecship go fly an alcoholical-girl fly brrrrrrrrrrrr

[Lord Dickinson McCheddar]

I don't think it's just that she's alcoholic but also the whole theme of the game is like being in a bar. When you go into the menu it's like when you go into the toilet.

[Munin-03]

Originally posted by SpooDinner:

I don't think it's just that she's alcoholic but also the whole theme of the game is like being in a bar. When you go into the menu it's like when you go into the toilet.

Yeah ima have to break character an agree with you there, the menu UI is a nightmare. lol

[Puddle Bum]

Hey, I have to admit I am thoroughly confused by this thread. What does this have to do with BLM?

Juno is the 43 year old aunt of the protagonist of rebel galaxy. She is rough around the edges because she is like that.

Sound is muffled to hear dialog.

Dialog is cheesy and they went over the top on purpose as that was the aesthetic they were seeking. Think bonderlands.

@SpooDinner, your analysis is interesting though, deep dives are always fun, I think you should try to do a blog post to reach a wider audience. I feel bad having such an analysis going unnoticed in a steam comment section.

[Munin-03]

Originally posted by Puddle Bum:

Hey, I have to admit I am thoroughly confused by this thread. What does this have to do with BLM?

Juno is the 43 year old aunt of the protagonist of rebel galaxy. She is rough around the edges because she is like that.

Sound is muffled to hear dialog.

Dialog is cheesy and they went over the top on purpose as that was the aesthetic they were seeking. Think bonderlands.

@SpooDinner, your analysis is interesting though, deep dives are always fun, I think you should try to do a blog post to reach a wider audience. I feel bad having such an analysis going unnoticed in a steam comment section.

TBH I have no idea how it ties back to BLM I can only assume the OP is trying to virtue signal in some really weird way by saying:

"There's no black characters in this game and it isn't fun playing an alcoholic woman."

And then something about money.

Or they had a stroke. We may never know. I posted in here originally because I wanted to coax further weird dialogue out of OP to make into a copypasta.

[Lord Dickinson McCheddar]

I interpret it differently. Either he's being sarcastic that there's no BLM in it or saying he doesn't want it but the same.

Which ever way you're coming from you can't make everyone happy. I believe the joke is that everyone has to go BLM.

I will point out going BLM is illegal in my country. We're very much against racism but while BLM says it's against racism in practice it ends up violating our anti-discrimination laws.

If my interpretation is correct I believe OP thought it was a bit woke then is saying not woke enough, forcing in for a penny in for a pound. This is a kind of I forget the idiom but forcing them to play by their own rules. Making your own bed or something. This is a correct extrapolation. If you don't go all the way and to everything you can to prove you're not racist then it's not enough.

My sociological studies on child psychology which persists into adulthood suggest that OP has been punished in a miscarraige of justice or feels so and normally when people are victimised they then take it out on others. We looked for example at a young girl torturing animals and tried to find out why. In her imaginary world the animals were the animals that had beaten her up and humiliated her in the playground.

Half the time people lash out it's because they're troubled but the other half it's them passing off their injury. Someone above them stepped on them so they make up for it by stepping on someone below them.

I think it might be a bit misguided if so. Though not all of the game suits my tastes and caters to a specific audience I've yet to see it rub identity politics in my face in any big way. It's a bit sad that just being a tad camp now is a put off thanks to political crusades when it wasn't before.

Poe's law though. There really are SJWs that will boycott this because it's not extremist enough.

There may also be a connection to BLM because well meaning people want to support the rights of others but may fail to appreciate that the biggest enemy of the police are the criminals and they've manipulated this movement at every level. In a game where you can choose to be an outlaw and take the side of the criminal...

The criminal wants you to see their fight with the law as black verses white and they're criminals so don't apply your own limits to them. I think the result of this is associative disassociative confusion.

[kermat_]

You guys are putting way too much effort into deciphering the ramblings of an obvious troll.
You're giving him way too much attention.

[Lord Dickinson McCheddar]

I think your actions are more troll like because everyone is happy to have a realistic open minded heart to heart conversation here to find out what it's all really all about. Your reaction is one of fear, close that mind! Don't let anything in!

If it makes you uncomfortable I'm sorry but adults have to talk about these things and we're not going to get anywhere if we all stay within our comfort zones.

I get the impression someone took it out on OP and now they're trying to take it out on this game. It's not just a top bottom thing or your rung on the ladder but our psychological experiments showed that people are lonely. When they are made a victim they then convert others like vampires so not to be the only one.

If you're not a reactionary there's no such thing as a troll. Merely curiosities. I think OP's vagueness is a crying shame that people can't communicate openly though I am happy to compensate and put my neck on the line.

[kermat_]

Originally posted by SpooDinner:

I think your actions are more troll like because everyone is happy to have a realistic open minded heart to heart conversation here to find out what it's all really all about. Your reaction is one of fear, close that mind! Don't let anything in!

If it makes you uncomfortable I'm sorry but adults have to talk about these things and we're not going to get anywhere if we all stay within our comfort zones.

I get the impression someone took it out on OP and now they're trying to take it out on this game. If you're not a reactionary there's no such thing as a troll. Merely curiosities. I think OP's vagueness is a crying shame that people can't communicate openly though I am happy to compensate and put my neck on the line.

I could go on a whole discussion about why I think you're assuming a lot about not only me but also about OP but that would only prolong this pointless discussion and there's a good chance that nobody will change their minds about the matter anyway. You're welcome to have your own opinions.

[Lord Dickinson McCheddar]

You came out calling people a troll and assuming things about others. I do agree the only way to get to the bottom of this is to lobby OP to confirm. Though they could just as well lie. Why? For fun. For fits and giggles. Who doesn't love a bit of the old screwing around and screwing it up even more so for others?

It turns out there are things that cannot be known. I suppose I can understand why people might desperately hope for a god that knows all. We're in the same boat.

Why are you so desperate to terminate this discussion? If you don't like it why not simply not participate? You're being almost territorial. I think what it really comes down to is that you're not stimulated by this. It's not your favourite menu item. I think you're afraid.

No problem with that but your trying to take my delicious cake off the menu. I'm not trying to restrict your choice. You can have everything else I don't want. There's something wrong with you if you're flung into a psychotic fit because the menu dare insulted you by offering a choice.

If you want to be like an electron in a circuit however that's fine. I'm a liberal. Someone can consent to being a slave if that's what they really want. Just don't try to bring us all down with you.

You can learn from this though. When you have everything that you like there's nothing else left. You're the type of person that eats the best then the worst. Eventually we'll be the only item left on the menu.