Tutorial (Pilgrims of the Wasteland) Feedback Thread

[Boz]

Recently, there have been some complaints about the tutorial being overly challenging, causing frustration among new players. We are committed to enhancing this aspect of the game to avoid discouraging newcomers due to poor design or unnecessary difficulty spikes.

If you have played the tutorial recently and had a less than satisfactory experience, please share the details or the source of the problems with us. This information will enable us to make improvements to that specific part of the game.

[Boz]

Thank you to everyone who has provided feedback on the topic.

So far, we have identified several pitfalls for new players at the tutorial:

- Picking 200% rations leads to financial loss and later morale decline, resulting in a downward spiral.
- Not assigning guards during rest also leads to a decline in morale
- Sleeping more frequently than necessary consumes scarce supplies and resources, exacerbating the downward spiral.

We have plans to address these identified issues.
Please continue to inform us here, via email, or on Discord if you have any further thoughts!

[xincaer]

The region where you go for Sedarias quest to assault the 3 camps doesnt have nearly enough foraging opportunities to actually go to all three without heading back to settlements and trying to resupply. If you try to do two in a row its game over with a lot of cargo being taken up by the main quest for selling scrap to deven

[Boz]

Początkowo opublikowane przez xincaer:

The region where you go for Sedarias quest to assault the 3 camps doesnt have nearly enough foraging opportunities to actually go to all three without heading back to settlements and trying to resupply. If you try to do two in a row its game over with a lot of cargo being taken up by the main quest for selling scrap to deven

Thanks for the feedback!
It is somewhat intended that you need to return to resupply. However, we acknowledge your concern that things can go wrong if you attempt to do both tasks in one go. We will consider how to enhance that aspect of the game without making it unfitting to the setting.

[Nordil(Hun)]

Początkowo opublikowane przez xincaer:

The region where you go for Sedarias quest to assault the 3 camps doesnt have nearly enough foraging opportunities to actually go to all three without heading back to settlements and trying to resupply. If you try to do two in a row its game over with a lot of cargo being taken up by the main quest for selling scrap to deven

Oh i played during august or so. Wanted to start a new game to check out all the new goodies. And since doing the Pilgrims of the Wasteland gives some bonus (cant recall whatXD) i figured i'll do it in a few hours.
I knew that resources are scarce so i figured i'll get some extra bross in the arena fights. (Or whatever they are that are similar.)
Welp. Did not work. I won 2 or 3 fights but my guys became quite wounded, and by the time we got attacked the first time, a few days later on the road we failed utterly, as nobody healed up. During the five or so days since they left the town only once did a single character receive 1 bar of health, since they were around 4-5 HP that did not help, and made us lose the next combat thus ending our journey.
I would say it is also something that can occur.

(When i used to play more actively during EA and when it was published, i remember i calculated out how to gain the most money while also surviving from the metal we get:D)

[Mattaui]

I absolutely want to love this game, but this tutorial is destroying me and I can't seem to understand why. I've got a very healthy caravan with as many fighters and outriders and scouts as I can manage, everyone's fully healthy, but then I get to the last two camp fights (the third camp, then the revealed fourth camp), and only after considerable trial and error did I get through the former, and after four times nearly getting through the last battle and dying, I can't quite figure out why it's done this way. Is it truly just supposed to be pure random chance based on the combat die rolls whether I get through these things? Am I missing out on preparing better, or am I supposed to have another companion than the three I've got? It's just weirdly random and punitive.

[Nordil(Hun)]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Mattaui:

I absolutely want to love this game, but this tutorial is destroying me and I can't seem to understand why. I've got a very healthy caravan with as many fighters and outriders and scouts as I can manage, everyone's fully healthy, but then I get to the last two camp fights (the third camp, then the revealed fourth camp), and only after considerable trial and error did I get through the former, and after four times nearly getting through the last battle and dying, I can't quite figure out why it's done this way. Is it truly just supposed to be pure random chance based on the combat die rolls whether I get through these things? Am I missing out on preparing better, or am I supposed to have another companion than the three I've got? It's just weirdly random and punitive.

Sadly i cant recall what the enemy numbers are and as so i cant really give any feedback.
I know i redid the fight three times during my first run before finally succeeding.

[DannyboyWPG]

I sadly was one of those posts. Please let me be perfectly clear I DID go back and REPLAY the entire Tutorial again. It is NOT difficult at all. It is very straight forward and covers everything you need to know. My only feedback, might be something along the lines of notifications of your Insight, and WHEN you can lvl up your companions, have it more in your face. That was all I missed, I kept trying to do the last fight with all of them lvl 1. Once you fully spend your insight and put into different skills and lvl some party members up, it is not super easy but manageable for sure. I honestly did not feel challenged at all during the Tutorial. Just some thoughts. GJ and thanks been a ton of fun playing post Tutorial as well.

D,

[Wlerin]

My biggest issue with the tutorial was not being able to manually save. There are just too many things to do on your first day in the city, and I've had too many issues with the game breaking during the tutorial (long time ago, might be fixed now) that I've never progressed beyond that point.

... I suppose the breakages could be considered a bigger issue, but I was also wanting to reload for savescum reasons lol. (Also the breakages seemed to be Linux-specific and possibly even specific to my machine.)

[𝔼𝕟𝕥𝕚𝕥𝕪]

I didn't realize that Pilgrims of the Wasteland was going to kill off my character at the end. It should be more clear to players that progress doesn't carry over into the main experience.

I can't express how disappointed I was when I thought I was finally going to be able to sell off all that scrap metal that was burdening my inventory the entire time. I spent hours bouncing between towns to generate wealth via trades. Upgrading my inventory to compensate for the scrap metal I was carrying, thinking it was actually important to do so. All while going on a goose chase for Sedarias.

I couldn't figure out how to get to Deven. I stockpiled supplies and tried making my way around the map but reached dead ends every time. Had to keep reloading autosaves from when I left town because relying on resting autosaves would have caused me to starve to death. Eventually realized the only way to progress was through Ash. At that point I was immersed and committed, all I wanted to do was save my comitatus, but it was cut short just before my goal was reached.

The companions introduced in the tutorial are too well designed to just be abruptly tossed aside and forgotten about. Morwen and Javek were really enjoyable to have in my party. They have a backstory of being part of my comitatus from before the start of the game. Sedarias was cool too, though if I knew he was just going to end up attacking me, I wouldn't have equipped him with items and spent insight to level him up. Their character design was top tier and they were fun to use in combat. Honestly they're what sold the game for me. The companions you get in the main game are fine, they just don't compare to the prequel characters. It's such a waste to have them all locked behind a tutorial.

There were too many loose ends that weren't tied off. Sedarias was certain that he was betrayed by his own people, someone with authority, just how deep does the defection go. Just who was that Abolitionist leader, a woman that Javek seemed to know from his time as a slave perhaps. Who taught him how to do sorcery. Where does he disappear to right before we get killed off. Does he have something to do with the Last Pilgrimage seemingly following us around, showing up three times when even two encounters was unheard of up until then.

If I could recommend one major change it would be to integrate the two stories together into one epic experience. Character creation starts at the beginning of PotW, then change up the final encounter to not be game over and let us proceed from there. Have that old man that decided to go separate ways right before our final encounter come back to save us after we've been defeated. Have the Last Pilgrimage wander off again like during the second encounter. Have Javek, who was supposed to be our long time friend, return to us and do some sorcery to save us.

[huzzan01]

I did enjoy killing sedarias and burying him since it was a payback for all the bullying and blackmailing he did to my tutorial commitatus hence i hated the church of sergorod ever since and start cheesing them in the main game when my crew got strong enough, paid for the criminality rinse and repeat, nice story by the devs btw for a tutorial, however if manual saving can be done the tutorial run may be a lot easier IMO. It also disappointed me when those hard earned metal scraps wont be carried over to the main game, i suggest adding a questline to accidentally stumble to the location where the tutorial commitatus was killed off or someone buried all those goodies, etc. so it can be recovered

[greegarak]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Boz:

....please share the details or the source of the problems with us...

One of the abolitionist' hideouts (this most in south-west direction) is with no reason unreachable with only mounted comitatus. The beast is needed, and there is no explaination of such demanding.

[Boz]

Początkowo opublikowane przez greegarak:

One of the abolitionist' hideouts (this most in south-west direction) is with no reason unreachable with only mounted comitatus.

In the latest version (0214K) it should not happen.
I might be wrong and please if you can repro the issue send us a bug report using the built-in bugreporter (accessible via F1 key) so we can investigate further.

[KocLobster]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Boz:

Początkowo opublikowane przez greegarak:

One of the abolitionist' hideouts (this most in south-west direction) is with no reason unreachable with only mounted comitatus.

In the latest version (0214K) it should not happen.
I might be wrong and please if you can repro the issue send us a bug report using the built-in bugreporter (accessible via F1 key) so we can investigate further.

I found this game after ya'll probably made the previously mentioned changes to the tutorial.

My 2 cents: This game has by far one of the best crafted/guided tutorials I have ever experienced, by a mile. And RPG/strategy games are my bread & butter.

[Huitzilopochtli]

tutorial needs to save
I can't put aside enough time to do it all in one sitting

[Tadayn]

Początkowo opublikowane przez BeanCurd:

tutorial needs to save
I can't put aside enough time to do it all in one sitting

The game autosaves every time you sleep or leave a town.