units require more different type...

[ChaoticGamer]

the game is lackings units I mean lots of them of choses.

[Lachanche]

i agree but this is only a problem because 90% of units are seasonal units. the unit tree is very small by comparison

[ChaosKhan]

Originally posted by Lachanche:

i agree but this is only a problem because 90% of units are seasonal units. the unit tree is very small by comparison

Let me guess: Math wasn't exactly your best subject at school, right?

[OutlawElite]

Yeah maybe like 1/3 of the units are seasonal units. Most of the seasonal units are a lot stronger though
No issue with that since anyone can unlock them fair and square and it's very easy to have all of the challenges for the season done in a season's period of time

[ChaosKhan]

Originally posted by OutlawElite:

Yeah maybe like 1/3 of the units are seasonal units. Most of the seasonal units are a lot stronger though
No issue with that since anyone can unlock them fair and square and it's very easy to have all of the challenges for the season done in a season's period of time

Again someone who doesn't know math. There are only 2, maybe 3 units at best that perform better than their main unit tree counterparts. So how you can call 2 units "most" is beyond me.

[Lachanche]

janissaries namkhan condottieri fortebraccio pavise azaps stalwarts paladins siphonaroi falconetti landsknecht armigers berserkers.

bit more than just 2-3

[ChaosKhan]

Originally posted by Lachanche:

janissaries namkhan condottieri fortebraccio pavise azaps stalwarts paladins siphonaroi falconetti landsknecht armigers berserkers.

bit more than just 2-3

Janis - Dem Arqs
Namks - Pref Archers
Condos - Pref Guard
Fortes - Imp Pikes
Pavise - Tercs
Azaps - Palace Guard
Stalwarts - counts
Palas - Palace Guard
Siphons - highly situational anyway and has nothing comparable in the main tree
Falcs - counts
Lands - Halbs
Arminger - get ripped to shreds in the current meta
Bersekers - count

As I wrote, 3 units that overperform compared to main tree troops.

[Lachanche]

wat ? dem arqs don't outperform janis they have more models but lower accuracy and like 1/3 the range

pref archers don't have bleeding

pref guards lose to condottieri

imp pikes have a cooldown, fortes brace is always active

tercios don't have double shot and baton bolts

palace guards have ultra low movement speed

count ? like that makes them less effective at what they do ? there is nothing equivalent in the unit tree lol and you know it too

halbs and lands are completely different one charges the other braces. or you could charge with halbs and you would be less effective than lands.

[IntrepidH]

The fact that you can raise leadership and bring all top tier units makes all the choices pointless most the time at higher level

[ChaosKhan]

Originally posted by Lachanche:

wat ? dem arqs don't outperform janis they have more models but lower accuracy and like 1/3 the range

You should max them out before you argue. If you did you would know that Dem Arqs change drastically once done. The devs also "fixed" Janis so they don't automatically turn around and shoot but have to set up their arquebus again to shoot. It might be irrelevant when guarding a passage, but it makes them highly inflexible and horrible at reacting to hero dives and flanking manouvers. Dem Arqs are therefore a viable alternative, but you gotta commit and unlock their honour upgrades.

Originally posted by Lachanche:

pref archers don't have bleeding

But way faster fire rate and higher base dmg and blockbreak.

Originally posted by Lachanche:

pref guards lose to condottieri

And Condos lose to Squires. You shouldn't think only in 1v1 situations. In an overall fight Pref Guard is better than Condos because of cover commander and prefecture drill, that literally doubles their attack rate for quite some time. Added to that, Pref Guard has double hit and way higher base dmg. Everything combined outdamages shock attack by quite a bit against most targets, even with its blunt dmg. They do lose their 1v1 against Condos though because the high attack rate bites them and whenever they try to attack, which is very often, their attack gets interrupted repeatedly and they get stunlocked by this "chain", being unable to attack the Condos back. It's really just weird unit interaction there. If they are not stunlocked, which is the case against most units in the game, they deal way higher overall dps.

Originally posted by Lachanche:

imp pikes have a cooldown, fortes brace is always active

And the cooldown ability is broken af and able to beat nearly everything, including the Fortes you mentioned.

Originally posted by Lachanche:

tercios don't have double shot and baton bolts

Tercs fire already twice as fast even without it and have way stronger blockbreak and armor pen, which results in at least twice as much real dps with both maxed out and kitted out with purple/blue docs. Tercs are the better shooters and Pavise are utter trash in comparison. Pavise are better at sniping lone heroes, but in literally every other situation way worse.

Originally posted by Lachanche:

palace guards have ultra low movement speed

But are way tougher in a fight after the changes. If you double tap C they are actually pretty fast. Try it out yourself.

Originally posted by Lachanche:

count ? like that makes them less effective at what they do ? there is nothing equivalent in the unit tree lol and you know it too

With "count" I meant that the unit counts towards the "2-3 units" that I mentioned.

Originally posted by Lachanche:

halbs and lands are completely different one charges the other braces. or you could charge with halbs and you would be less effective than lands.

If you wanna charge, Pref Pikes have you covered and are an alternative. And Knechts brace is so god awful, that the only time you would seriously use it is when you prepare to charge.