Nodachi stat allocation?

[Hi, I'm Ari.]

I've seen mixed messages online on whether or not to only stack STR, balance STR with ARM or STR > ARM > DEX three way split (Dex for armor pen.) I'd like to know what the actual optimal split is. Currently I'm just dumping STR since no matter what that seems to be essential.

[Lachanche]

It depends on your weapon and your character level.

If you are low level you will mostly fight low tier units, here armor and strength are the best stats for nodachi.

if you are high level you will fight high tier units, here you will start to need agility or the low penetration on your nodachi will stop you from doing any real damage.

If you don't have a crafted nodachi with bonus slashing penetration you should put points into agility, but NOT all the points. Press P, click "More", check how much slashing damage and how much slashing penetration you have, try to balance your agility and your strength to keep slashing penetration close to slashing damage.

Example: you have 1400 slashing damage and 1000 slashing penetration, put points into agility until you reach 1400 slashing penetration, put the rest into strength.

Example2: you have an extremely good crafted nodachi and you have 1600 slashing damage and 1400 slashing penetration. -> That's good enough, with carnifex armor you will have 1810 slashing damage and 1460 slashing penetration, you can go full armor to get more value from your lifesteal.

[Hi, I'm Ari.]

Ty so much! Your comment is most likely the most well informed nodachi stat guide out there LOL

[Chaos Sorcerer]

Without set ofc. https://i.imgur.com/Hf5vf4e.png

Agility is complete useless for Nodachi. Im been playing AGI long time ago, and since I changed every point to STR, Im able to delete everything in front of me.
ARPEN is only for reapers and maybe tercios, rest of units are easy to kill as Nodachi. Even spear sergeants and imperial spearmens are easy to kill as Nodachi.
Just learn how to properly engage.

[Lachanche]

how about heroes ? how much damage you do to poleaxe with 1100 slashing defense ? or you want to focus on units and never attack heroes ?

[Chaos Sorcerer]

Originally posted by Lachanche:

how about heroes ? how much damage you do to poleaxe with 1100 slashing defense ? or you want to focus on units and never attack heroes ?

I wont talk much about my play style. But the most important in a war, is kill soldiers.

Why should I worrie about to kill an heroe, if I can demoralize him by killing his troops?

[Hi, I'm Ari.]

Originally posted by Coronel Lerisdral:

Originally posted by Lachanche:

how about heroes ? how much damage you do to poleaxe with 1100 slashing defense ? or you want to focus on units and never attack heroes ?

I wont talk much about my play style. But the most important in a war, is kill soldiers.

Why should I worrie about to kill an heroe, if I can demoralize him by killing his troops?

Esp considering Nodachi is great at killing units but average at killing heroes. I read from others that units become far more powerful than heroes do in late game and I'm already experiencing this for sure.

[Chaos Sorcerer]

Originally posted by Dee.🐇:

Originally posted by Coronel Lerisdral:

I wont talk much about my play style. But the most important in a war, is kill soldiers.

Why should I worrie about to kill an heroe, if I can demoralize him by killing his troops?

Esp considering Nodachi is great at killing units but average at killing heroes. I read from others that units become far more powerful than heroes do in late game and I'm already experiencing this for sure.

Heroes can respawn, troops wont.

In mostly of the matches im being the top unit killer. But hey, 0/4 250 kills.
If you do a charge and with luck you kill 60-80 troops and u lose 30, is worth for your team.
A lot of times I decide suiciding aganst some enemies, to kill all I can, sometimes is the worst play, and sometimes you charge with Squires and kill like 100 troops.

Obviously with brain, not just doing a random charge and pray to be worth... But I do not like to talk about my play style, (each one has his own) but not the first time I do +100 kills in a single charge and they werent Reapers...

[Wolf]

Originally posted by Coronel Lerisdral:

Originally posted by Dee.🐇:

Esp considering Nodachi is great at killing units but average at killing heroes. I read from others that units become far more powerful than heroes do in late game and I'm already experiencing this for sure.

Heroes can respawn, troops wont.

In mostly of the matches im being the top unit killer. But hey, 0/4 250 kills.
If you do a charge and with luck you kill 60-80 troops and u lose 30, is worth for your team.
A lot of times I decide suiciding aganst some enemies, to kill all I can, sometimes is the worst play, and sometimes you charge with Squires and kill like 100 troops.

Obviously with brain, not just doing a random charge and pray to be worth... But I do not like to talk about my play style, (each one has his own) but not the first time I do +100 kills in a single charge and they werent Reapers...

I relate to this alot. I can hold my own 'decently' when holding off a heavy armour hero, but that's not my main aim with the class, my aim is to kill troops. Full str with a decent nodachi and carnifex bonus the armour pen is JUST enough that you can mince most units. In my testing going with any agi points simply lessened my overall damage output. The damage boost from your str-based abilities will typically outweigh any pen bonus from agi due to sheer damage output anyways.

It sucks to sometimes not be able to pen some heavy armour heroes well, but think of the class itself and the weapon it uses, it's simply not designed for that (although the asia version is getting/got a dachi armour pen buff, so lets hope that trickles down to us soon).

[Chaos Sorcerer]

Originally posted by Wolfie:

I relate to this alot. I can hold my own 'decently' when holding off a heavy armour hero, but that's not my main aim with the class, my aim is to kill troops. Full str with a decent nodachi and carnifex bonus the armour pen is JUST enough that you can mince most units. In my testing going with any agi points simply lessened my overall damage output. The damage boost from your str-based abilities will typically outweigh any pen bonus from agi due to sheer damage output anyways.

It sucks to sometimes not be able to pen some heavy armour heroes well, but think of the class itself and the weapon it uses, it's simply not designed for that (although the asia version is getting/got a dachi armour pen buff, so lets hope that trickles down to us soon).

The game is not oriented to be PvP, is like... farm, and if an heroe bothers you, try to kill him.
All those players who brag about being pr0s in PvP, have no idea about this game SRLY.
PvP should have first:
A decent set of skills. Actually there is no way to win against some heroes due to the burst damage+daze. AKA. Longbow, Poleaxe and Glaive. The three can burst you half of your hp in a second and, why you try to get up? youll get knock down for like 3 seconds and then you die without any chance to do something. (you can do it too as Nodachi, but only works for duels.) Reason why I dont duel no one, annoying rolling in the floor for years.
Thats the second reason. A game where PvP is based on, who rolls more on the ground, is not a PvP game.

A friend sttoped play long time ago. He was LS and his rate on units killed was like 50 on sieges.
He told me: "you do more than me cos you are nodachi"
The next day i sent him a picture where I killed 210 as LS. And another with 180 as SS.
Then he said: "lucker"

Ye ofc.

[Wolf]

Plus, if you really want to cheese the system, just get a whole bunch of participation points. Pushing a siege engine, putting up ladders (even if you don't use said ladders), and using arty counts for an absurd amount of points (lots of MVPs even when my other stats were technically way lower in every way). Some say that's cheap to do intentionally, but its basically just free points before the main assault *shrugs*

[Stundorn]

Originally posted by Lachanche:

It depends on your weapon and your character level.

If you are low level you will mostly fight low tier units, here armor and strength are the best stats for nodachi.

if you are high level you will fight high tier units, here you will start to need agility or the low penetration on your nodachi will stop you from doing any real damage.

If you don't have a crafted nodachi with bonus slashing penetration you should put points into agility, but NOT all the points. Press P, click "More", check how much slashing damage and how much slashing penetration you have, try to balance your agility and your strength to keep slashing penetration close to slashing damage.

Example: you have 1400 slashing damage and 1000 slashing penetration, put points into agility until you reach 1400 slashing penetration, put the rest into strength.

Example2: you have an extremely good crafted nodachi and you have 1600 slashing damage and 1400 slashing penetration. -> That's good enough, with carnifex armor you will have 1810 slashing damage and 1460 slashing penetration, you can go full armor to get more value from your lifesteal.

i know it's somewhat older ost, but i consider it also the most clear one regarding all the oppsoing infos you get :-(
But i have a question...

Here is what i play and tried:
purple Carnifex Armor
I have a Banshou with 200+ Slash Pen
, but no slash damage bonus, instead some piercing damage bonuns. I crafted about 6 or so and didnt get anything better until.
Allways lacking silver or steelbars or shematics of course.
Im above level 100 now and some units are a pain to me as they can steamroll me and i dont do enough damage or have enough protection!?!?
I use Imp Guards level 15 atm
Also working on Spear Seargents and wanna make them Symachean Stallwarts
I also have Longbowmen Level 11 and use them for some maps instead of Imp Guards.
My blue unit is mostly Prefecture Guards while working on condo's to save some LS.
Stlawarts will also save some LS so i can have an additional grey unit for Siegetowers and Ramp when attacking.
Also have blue Halberdiers i sometimes use, still try to find out some good choices per Map and what people often use there. Trying to find counters for example.
I feel i have spread too much into unit trees, but ok, i'll work on them as they all seem usefull in some way.
Just started and unlocked some boni from the unit tree for my Imp Guards and my Spear Seragents. Leveling them seems to need some time and dedication ^^

I was full ST until, yesterday i went full Armor and yes it makes a slight difference, but i feel as if i use the class in a wrong way and it does not solve my problems with high tier units. But i can stand some Hero attacks better, but in the end it will not help to kill them and only increse my chance to survive a missed attack or so.
One said it's maybe better to learn to not get trapped instead to sacrifice all the damage for around +200 armor - i maybe agree here, having not that much clue or experience.
I also want to learn the class and i know it's one of the hardest.
I dont go for herokills, but troops, blocking and slashing everything incoming or pushing the block forward while destroying troops.
If there is a hero in front of me and in danger i allways try to get him with a

SO! now the question?
regarding what you wrote above i need to go into ST, but dont let Agi fall behind, right?
Are the numbers in the character screen when i put point into it the source i need?
for example: idk if the carnifex armor boni are already listed there or if they matter.
I sometimes struggle to understand english exactly, so please explain for dummies :D

So my Dachi is:
1186 Percing Armor Pen +223
1071 Slashing Armor Pen + 249
no Damage Boni

So i when distributing points i have to watch the numbers in the window and keep Slash Damage and Slash AP somwhat equal???
Is this the reight way?