New unit meta

[Royal Jester]

Can you guys share your ideas, which units are worth or and which are not.
Which setup do you regularly to siege or field battles?

[Raga]

New cavalry feels like ironcap scout cavalry.
Glass cannons but much worse in my opinion.
The only reason is lack wedge formation.
Spread and line formations are too wide to be very effective and do not fit most of maps (terrain hazards stop some of units).

Generally I still prefer Coutiliers and Ironcaps. Cheaper (green horses and green kits), less leadership and more effective.

I'm not really fan of archers but they also seem less effective than their western and Eastern counterparts.

[Kegbelly]

im no expert . but javalineers need help . there javelin toss is weak and they cant hold a line against any of the infantry types there supposed to be grouped with

[Royal Jester]

İlk olarak Raga tarafından gönderildi:

I'm not really fan of archers but they also seem less effective than their western and Eastern counterparts.

I've heard the opposite, that the new archers can stack a lot of bleed damage and be really deadly.

I have noticed reduction in damage output from western arquebuses. Is this same for the eastern units?
East swords tier3 used to be really good cheap unit, have they also been modified? Seem to deal less damage now...

[spellfax]

I have a seen more calvary in Siege battles than normal. I have also noticed the use of high Tier Units off the bat instead of at the end.

[Kanjejou]

top tier units seem to be more common at the start of siege/field battle which make bringing cheap unit first as a defender sometime a suicide move that will gibe the first points very early to the attacker, often too early meaning games are more often lost on the firrst contact
to counter that low rank player spam siege guns more often

on units, most western unit are inferior to easterrn ones to a point that a lots of clan even in ostaria use eastern unit exclusively even if it cost them tons of bronze and silver

good offfender are the desmene archer and long bow man inferior to militia and prefecture archers... and halbardier inferior to pike militia- better both at bracing and fighting

[Doc]

İlk olarak Zendu tarafından gönderildi:

im no expert . but javalineers need help . there javelin toss is weak and they cant hold a line against any of the infantry types there supposed to be grouped with

wot? I main javalins and in my experience they destroy everything except for cavalry (if charged into) and IR/Prefecture guard/Palace Guard

Which they aren't supposed to be able to kill.

Dont forget they are the anti archer troop as well, they literally shred archers.

[Doc]

İlk olarak Zendu tarafından gönderildi:

im no expert . but javalineers need help . there javelin toss is weak and they cant hold a line against any of the infantry types there supposed to be grouped with

the Imperial Javalineers are the best, then srg's, the low tier javs are meh

[Doc]

İlk olarak Kanjejou tarafından gönderildi:

top tier units seem to be more common at the start of siege/field battle which make bringing cheap unit first as a defender sometime a suicide move that will gibe the first points very early to the attacker, often too early meaning games are more often lost on the firrst contact
to counter that low rank player spam siege guns more often

on units, most western unit are inferior to easterrn ones to a point that a lots of clan even in ostaria use eastern unit exclusively even if it cost them tons of bronze and silver

good offfender are the desmene archer and long bow man inferior to militia and prefecture archers... and halbardier inferior to pike militia- better both at bracing and fighting

Longbows are the best archer unit in the game on certain maps, but they need honor upgrades and max level + doctrines.

Halbs are formation fighters, but TBH with spear sarg's they feel obsolete.

[Kanjejou]

Yeah plus a lot of formation are inconsistant betwen units; some block formation put unit very close to each others, like the spearman's units, or very lose , like the halbert.
make most of the info on units preview useless...

Unfortunately a lot of player won't get and won't have seargent units for a long time not because of honor but because of bronze price of kit and the unability to build said kit easily, At least its not easy to find guide that explaine anywhere how to easily get even small quantities of golden and heroic age units kits

[fitzchiv]

spear sergeant - staple for majority of people
ironcap arbeq - great for last siege point, when people bunch up and it's all flat land
woodcutters - siege towers, or suicide mission when team is turtling, and need someone to initiate
pike militia - wreaks all cavs when braced, or to turtle behind a shieldwall
ironcap archers - i use these after point A has been captured, as enemy archers are going to outrange you at the beginning... but these archers do well during close range