how does ranking work

[ssmith131]

Is ranking depend on percent wins? Currently Ranked at Silver with 460 score. Do I need to get to top 100 Silver or what ? Currently played 23 games as axis and 13/10 wins/losses. How does ranking system work ? Thanks !

[Juggernaut]

Hello,

This game follows an ELO/MMR system. This means that you have a hidden rating of, for example, 100 wood, 200 bronze, 300 silver, 400 gold , 500 plat. When you exceed these hidden point thresholds (respresented by your numerical rank, say silver 234, meaning you need to get more points than 234 players to advance to gold), you will advance to the next rank.

If you as a silver with a rating of 300 match and win against a wood player with a rating of 100, you will win only 1/3 of the points you would normally against another silver player. If you were to lose, you would lose 3 times that amount. So if you would gain and lose 10 points against silver, you can expect to win 3.3 against wood and ~30 against plat.

The best way to advance is to beat opponents rated higher than yourself, or maintain a high winrate against player rated similarly to yourself. This way the system autocorrects itself, and as players reach their "true rank" their winrate should begin to level out to 50/50.

[ssmith131]

Thanks for very informative answer. Now, how do you figure out your opponents rating, I'm just an old fart that loves and hates this game, sort of like the fine razor edge between love and hate, but I'm not as good eith the tech as I was in 1984 when I built my first computer ! HA !

[=ASDF=]

So you have to play alot of games to achieve top rankings? So someone who plays more games than you has an advantage by accumulating more points?

[Juggernaut]

Originally posted by =ASDF=:

So you have to play alot of games to achieve top rankings? So someone who plays more games than you has an advantage by accumulating more points?

"Theoretically" yes, to catch the top players with crazy good winrates of 90%+, or to get to the very bottom of wood, but this is why the season resets every few months. Keep in mind the strength of your opponents matters for calculation. Every game in a row someone wins they play against a stronger opponent on average. So it is possible for someone to have
beaten 5 platinum opponents and be rated higher than you with a 15 game winstreak against silver, for example. Playing more games isnt necessarily better. WINNING more games definitely is. But as you win more, you play progressively more difficult opponents.
There have been top plats who sit on 20-0, and some at 90-10.

[Juggernaut]

Originally posted by ssmith131:

Thanks for very informative answer. Now, how do you figure out your opponents rating, I'm just an old fart that loves and hates this game, sort of like the fine razor edge between love and hate, but I'm not as good eith the tech as I was in 1984 when I built my first computer ! HA !

The game hasnt implemented a way of checking your opponents rank before the game starts. Im undecided whether I like this or not so far. You can check after the game by clicking profile- match history- then selecting the game and players profile.

[=ASDF=]

Thanks for the info! What if you are top ranked, and don't play anymore games. Do you just sit there.

[Juggernaut]

Originally posted by =ASDF=:

Thanks for the info! What if you are top ranked, and don't play anymore games. Do you just sit there.

Decay is active for platinum only. That means if you reach platinum and stop playing, you decay until you reach gold, your mmr then remains the same, but you can be passed by someone who gains more points

[dwightlooi]

Originally posted by Juggernaut:

Decay is active for platinum only. That means if you reach platinum and stop playing, you decay until you reach gold, your mmr then remains the same, but you can be passed by someone who gains more points

This is decidedly NOT TRUE. I finished Season Two as Platinum. Stopped playing for a long time and came back to the game in Season Seven as Silver after 4 wins 1 loss in placement. Yes, I know that Platinum in the early days is not the same as platinum today in terms of player caliber, but the decay definitely does not stop at Gold.

[Father of WAR]

there are a lot more players so a 4 win 1 loss record against silver players does not make you plat. you have to work your way up to playing higher level players. prior status plays no role. i use silver level as the level you played against as that is the average ranking. they may have been higher, lower or unranked because they had not completed 5 games

[Juggernaut]

Originally posted by dwightlooi:

Originally posted by Juggernaut:

Decay is active for platinum only. That means if you reach platinum and stop playing, you decay until you reach gold, your mmr then remains the same, but you can be passed by someone who gains more points

This is decidedly NOT TRUE. I finished Season Two as Platinum. Stopped playing for a long time and came back to the game in Season Seven as Silver after 4 wins 1 loss in placement. Yes, I know that Platinum in the early days is not the same as platinum today in terms of player caliber, but the decay definitely does not stop at Gold.

Huh? you placed into silver. Your MMR resets after every season. That's not decay. Decay only occurs in platinum, and only for 1 season. Decay wasn't responsible for you getting placed into silver, you had the base MMR at that time as did everyone else.

[Julius Borisov]

Originally posted by Juggernaut:

Originally posted by dwightlooi:

This is decidedly NOT TRUE. I finished Season Two as Platinum. Stopped playing for a long time and came back to the game in Season Seven as Silver after 4 wins 1 loss in placement. Yes, I know that Platinum in the early days is not the same as platinum today in terms of player caliber, but the decay definitely does not stop at Gold.

Huh? you placed into silver. Your MMR resets after every season. That's not decay. Decay only occurs in platinum, and only for 1 season. Decay wasn't responsible for you getting placed into silver, you had the base MMR at that time as did everyone else.

Correct.

[wmacks57]

say i start a game as gold vs gold oponent and win - but between start and finish that player moved up (or down) in ranking due to other games - are my points based on their ranking when game started or finished?

[Julius Borisov]

When the game finished.

[Kitty Meow Meow]

Ok I just beat someone who is ranked in the Silver 100's. They have a w/l of 47%. I am ranked in the Silver 500's with a w/l of 60%. How is that possible? Background info, I beat all 3 Silver ranked players and lost to 2 Gold ranked players. Is it because they played possibly a large percent of gold/platinum players?

[Father of WAR]

if the ranking system is working well, everyone should be around 50%, because you are playing people at your level. you must have moved up recently.