How Do You Break the Atlantic Wall?

[Duke of Zork]

How big a fleet does it take to invade Europe when Germany sticks his Bomber and 6 Fighters into France and just waits for you to try to approach it?

[montrealsteak]

Japan sending troops to Alaska usually just gives Russia breathing room. Only good Alaska invasion I've seen almost cost me West Coast US when Japan sent a chain of 9 transports loaded with tanks and caught me flat footed. Since that was the first all out invasion of US I've seen, I wasn't familiar with defending North America. Pretty scary stuff when you're focused on KGF.

[SurferGuy2000]

Originally posted by Tomaster:

Originally posted by SurferGuy2000:

There is no silence, the US will be there the next turn or 2 with its navy plus another uk navy. Ok, then Germany trades again losing their airforce again, this will allow Russia to get a stack advantage on Germany with land units with easy trades because there is no air force. In a KGF Germany can't be buying fighters it would in the long run lose the IPC war.

You can see kgf strategy from a mile away. Plan accordingly. By pass India and head straight to ussr with Japan, go heavy on infantry with germany. By round 3 when usa brings its first round over sink it. Same round take Alaska, USA will be forced respond which means no naval build round 3 on the east coast. Round 4 usa builds navy,, round 5 usa moves it up to eastern Canada, round 6 is the earliest they can attack normandy again.. You won't lose any ground to ussr as long as you have significant pressure on ussr from Japan, and you pulled back your German tanks and bought infantry in rounds 1 and 2 with germany. By round 5 russia falls...just as the USA is heading back over. They may land Normandy, so be it. If you Leave Normandy empty and load up northern Europe and germany crush them. At that point Japan heads south through caucuses (sp) and blocks UK from coming up from India.
I find most opponents spread out in Asia with the UK if you leave it open to pursue ussr. But Much like taking back Africa is easy for the allies, taking western Asia is easy for the Axis.
It makes me all warm and fuzzy feeling when the USA wastes 40 ipc defending something you aren't going for. It become stagnant inventory for USA which is the same as a loss in my book.

This is getting to much into the details that vary from game to game. You said you would be replacing fighters $$$, then also going heavy infantry $$$, so not really sure what the main goal is anymore. Basically there is always give and take. I would happily trade the German Airforce is what I am saying. I would even do it twice. I think it would open up other parts of the board for the allies.

Also a good US player will have continuous pressure not waves that are based on turns. They will keep adding transports every round till they are maxed out always landing in some place to add pressure.

[shmity72]

annoying usa with japan in alaska works...after like round 8 or so.

[Tomaster]

Originally posted by Boston_NWO:

Japan placing units on Asia is far higher return than into Alaska because of how high USA income is and 10 production on west coast. In contrast, Russia has lower income and is also pressured by Germany. Axis killing allies navy is not normal either.

The troops do not stay in Alaska. Did you fail reading comprehension? Play how you wish. I personally never buy ics either. Some players do. I guarantee if you see Japan land 8 units in Alaska you respond with a 40 ipc build of some combo. Then Japan takes their units back to ussr next turn. Your men sit in western usa collecting dust. 2 rounds later they are joining up with the 12 units east of sinkang (forget the name of the territory) and knocking on ussrs back door while germany is holding the front with 20 stacks supported by 9 tanks.

[Tomaster]

Originally posted by SurferGuy2000:

Originally posted by Tomaster:

You can see kgf strategy from a mile away. Plan accordingly. By pass India and head straight to ussr with Japan, go heavy on infantry with germany. By round 3 when usa brings its first round over sink it. Same round take Alaska, USA will be forced respond which means no naval build round 3 on the east coast. Round 4 usa builds navy,, round 5 usa moves it up to eastern Canada, round 6 is the earliest they can attack normandy again.. You won't lose any ground to ussr as long as you have significant pressure on ussr from Japan, and you pulled back your German tanks and bought infantry in rounds 1 and 2 with germany. By round 5 russia falls...just as the USA is heading back over. They may land Normandy, so be it. If you Leave Normandy empty and load up northern Europe and germany crush them. At that point Japan heads south through caucuses (sp) and blocks UK from coming up from India.
I find most opponents spread out in Asia with the UK if you leave it open to pursue ussr. But Much like taking back Africa is easy for the allies, taking western Asia is easy for the Axis.
It makes me all warm and fuzzy feeling when the USA wastes 40 ipc defending something you aren't going for. It become stagnant inventory for USA which is the same as a loss in my book.

This is getting to much into the details that vary from game to game. You said you would be replacing fighters $$$, then also going heavy infantry $$$, so not really sure what the main goal is anymore. Basically there is always give and take. I would happily trade the German Airforce is what I am saying. I would even do it twice. I think it would open up other parts of the board for the allies.

Also a good US player will have continuous pressure not waves that are based on turns. They will keep adding transports every round till they are maxed out always landing in some place to add pressure.

Germany gets 43 ipc minimum each round 11 men 1 fighter x 3 equals 33 inf 3 fighters. 5 usually survive past round 1. 6 fighters for Northern Europe, 2 for the western front. Say you lose 4 attacking usa navy, that's 2 in northern Europe, 2 on the front. Switch to defense against Russia move your fighters to Europe (4) buy 1 (5) pressure with Japan from the east to keep ussr at bay.
Will it work everytime? No! But there's a high probability usa will look for another way, or you will sack Russia, taking pressure off of Germany for good

[Boston_NWO]

A key insight as Allies is not to fear trading Germany air for UK/USA navy, even at a loss. In KGF, Allies want to trade on Germany from all sides and wear Germany down to the point that Germany is unable to trade back to earn income or maintain the capital territory. Germany wants to apply air pressure on navy to keep Allies honest, but beyond that, actually trading air for navy is bad for Germany.

[Tomaster]

Originally posted by Boston_NWO:

A key insight as Allies is not to fear trading Germany air for UK/USA navy, even at a loss. In KGF, Allies want to trade on Germany from all sides and wear Germany down to the point that Germany is unable to trade back to earn income or maintain the capital territory. Germany wants to apply air pressure on navy to keep Allies honest, but beyond that, actually trading air for navy is bad for Germany.

I can see that! I find many players do not coordinate well between Japan and Germany. It seems everyone is pretty good at making a team out of the allies though.

[SurferGuy2000]

Originally posted by Tomaster:

Originally posted by SurferGuy2000:

This is getting to much into the details that vary from game to game. You said you would be replacing fighters $$$, then also going heavy infantry $$$, so not really sure what the main goal is anymore. Basically there is always give and take. I would happily trade the German Airforce is what I am saying. I would even do it twice. I think it would open up other parts of the board for the allies.

Also a good US player will have continuous pressure not waves that are based on turns. They will keep adding transports every round till they are maxed out always landing in some place to add pressure.

Germany gets 43 ipc minimum each round 11 men 1 fighter x 3 equals 33 inf 3 fighters. 5 usually survive past round 1. 6 fighters for Northern Europe, 2 for the western front. Say you lose 4 attacking usa navy, that's 2 in northern Europe, 2 on the front. Switch to defense against Russia move your fighters to Europe (4) buy 1 (5) pressure with Japan from the east to keep ussr at bay.
Will it work everytime? No! But there's a high probability usa will look for another way, or you will sack Russia, taking pressure off of Germany for good

What if Germany doesn't get that many IPC's. Then do you still replace the fighters?

Lets say Russia wins big in the first round and stacks WR and is trading the eastern front. Then would you replace fighters?

What if all the German fighters are killed in the battle? Do you replace the fighters?

To say "this" or" that" will always happen doesn't really work.

[Tomaster]

Originally posted by SurferGuy2000:

Originally posted by Tomaster:

Germany gets 43 ipc minimum each round 11 men 1 fighter x 3 equals 33 inf 3 fighters. 5 usually survive past round 1. 6 fighters for Northern Europe, 2 for the western front. Say you lose 4 attacking usa navy, that's 2 in northern Europe, 2 on the front. Switch to defense against Russia move your fighters to Europe (4) buy 1 (5) pressure with Japan from the east to keep ussr at bay.
Will it work everytime? No! But there's a high probability usa will look for another way, or you will sack Russia, taking pressure off of Germany for good

What if Germany doesn't get that many IPC's. Then do you still replace the fighters?

Lets say Russia wins big in the first round and stacks WR and is trading the eastern front. Then would you replace fighters?

What if all the German fighters are killed in the battle? Do you replace the fighters?

To say "this" or" that" will always happen doesn't really work.

Obviously previous outcomes will determine strategy. I find it best to keep things fluid when I play. If russia wins big, or you lose all your fighters you may have to just stack up and hope for the best. Japan becomes more important on the west. Same if russia is buying tanks and fighters (playing offense) instead of infantry . Every game is slightly different but I think the key is to put maxim pressure on all the allies to absorb some of their ipc.
Last thing you want is uninhibited usa coming at you.
Also letting ussr thin out and advance can give the allied a false sense of security, clearing the path to ussr.