Please consider survival way for vegans as well!

[Anrvidhr]

Game seems intriguing and I up to try it when it will be released, but I'm vegan and I don't want to hurt even virtual animals or fishes.

[Berious]

Postat inițial de Enderkatze:

the ratio of people hating on eachother for being vegan/eating meat compared to comments about the game itself is concerning.
but since I have nothing better to do, I shall throw my two cents into the ring while I'm at it.
Personally, I think the Idea of veganism where hurting any animal is forbidden is rather ridiculous, since nature itself goes against this Idea, but I do see where more 'moderate' vegans are coming from seeing as the conditions in many meat/animal produce factories/farms are quite frankly abhorrent for the animals. Sadly, products confirmed to be made without violence are more expensive, and in addiation with my current bodyweight, I couldn't afford to follow a vegan or even vegetarian path money-wise, or health-wise.
On the point of veganism even within games, that's frankly ridiculous to me, since it's code, and this game takes a bit more of a vibrant, rather than realistic artstyle, which helps dissociating these animals from the ones IRL in any case.

Thanks for posting reasonably. Just want to respond to a couple of points. Don't mean it as an attack!
1. Nature: it's natural we'd die in a ditch if we couldn't scavenge food to eat for a few days, or if we got a small infection or appendicitis. A natural life is nasty, brutish, and short. What is natural definitely shouldn't be taken as to a guide of what is good or moral.
2. Expense: "Vegan" branded products are typically a rip off (tastes nicer than it used to but still, rip off city sadly). Vegan cooking isn't. Baked beans on toast is vegan (most margarine is too if you want to add that). Can't get a much cheaper quick meal than that. Likewise lentils, beans, root veg etc etc. Even milk! Making oat milk is simple as blending oats and water (can add sugar to sweeten). You need to strain it after but buying an amusingly named "nut milk bag" is a one time expense. I use this one: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lovetree-Products-Professional-Cheesecloth-Replacement/dp/B00KY3DZNM

I'm vegan if you couldn't guess by that wall of text :)

[Radiosity]

I wonder how long you'd remain vegan in a real life or death survival situation. Not long. Because you'd either eat whatever the hell you could to survive or die. End of story.

It's the same as pacifists. You only get the luxury of that because someone else is willing to get their hands dirty on your behalf.

[Berious]

Postat inițial de Radiosity:

I wonder how long you'd remain vegan in a real life or death survival situation. Not long. Because you'd either eat whatever the hell you could to survive or die. End of story.

It's the same as pacifists. You only get the luxury of that because someone else is willing to get their hands dirty on your behalf.

Not sure who is getting their "hands dirty" since I don't consume suffering :)

If anything it's the weenie meat eaters who would feint if they stepped onto a slaughterhouse kill floor that get others to do their dirty work.

[Enderkatze]

Postat inițial de Berious:

Thanks for posting reasonably. Just want to respond to a couple of points. Don't mean it as an attack!
1. Nature: it's natural we'd die in a ditch if we couldn't scavenge food to eat for a few days, or if we got a small infection or appendicitis. A natural life is nasty, brutish, and short. What is natural definitely shouldn't be taken as to a guide of what is good or moral.
2. Expense: "Vegan" branded products are typically a rip off (tastes nicer than it used to but still, rip off city sadly). Vegan cooking isn't. Baked beans on toast is vegan (most margarine is too if you want to add that). Can't get a much cheaper quick meal than that. Likewise lentils, beans, root veg etc etc. Even milk! Making oat milk is simple as blending oats and water (can add sugar to sweeten). You need to strain it after but buying an amusingly named "nut milk bag" is a one time expense. I use this one: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lovetree-Products-Professional-Cheesecloth-Replacement/dp/B00KY3DZNM

I'm vegan if you couldn't guess by that wall of text :)

since I still have nothing better to do
1. By 'natural' I mean that humans evolved to eat both plants and meat, as well as animal products to an extent. Our biology shows that we evolved to be omnivorous, thus eat both plantlife and meat/animal products, and our nutritious needs refelct this aswell.
The point itself was mainly aimed at those who life to say that "eating meat is unnatural" though, wich is quite frankly ridiculous, seeing as nnature is brutal and many animals are carnivurous-only.
2.I honestly don't have the time to seek out specific recipes and the necesarry foods, and, again, for health-related reasons(the previously mentioned nutritious needs, I'm somewhat malnourished due to a very fast metabolism) I cannot go vegan, or vegetarian.
However, I do appreciate your contributionan and I do understand what you mean, and respect your opinions.

[Powellinho.72]

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Postat inițial de Radiosity:

I wonder how long you'd remain vegan in a real life or death survival situation. Not long. Because you'd either eat whatever the hell you could to survive or die. End of story.

It's the same as pacifists. You only get the luxury of that because someone else is willing to get their hands dirty on your behalf.

Not sure who is getting their "hands dirty" since I don't consume suffering :)

If anything it's the weenie meat eaters who would feint if they stepped onto a slaughterhouse kill floor that get others to do their dirty work.

yeah, its why companies try their hardest to hide what actually goes on.its just so brutal and would expose them for all the suffering animals go through which would hurt alot of peoples feelings. meat eater or not.

put a happy cow on a milk carton and never see how this gets made into a product and your living in a bubble guilt free.

[Berious]

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However, I do appreciate your contributionan and I do understand what you mean, and respect your opinions.

No worries mate, likewise :)

[Enderkatze]

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Postat inițial de Berious:

Not sure who is getting their "hands dirty" since I don't consume suffering :)

If anything it's the weenie meat eaters who would feint if they stepped onto a slaughterhouse kill floor that get others to do their dirty work.

yeah, its why companies try their hardest to hide what actually goes on.its just so brutal and would expose them for all the suffering animals go through which would hurt alot of peoples feelings. meat eater or not.

put a happy cow on a milk carton and never see how this gets made into a product and your living in a bubble guilt free.

milk cows are generally treated well, since then the milk apparently tastes better, so the milkcow example isn't exactly the best. Egg cartons might be a better comparison, though they have differentiation between differnet kinds of holding styles, like free-range and cage. Meat would still be the best example

[Powellinho.72]

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Postat inițial de Hex:Spawn by gen:

yeah, its why companies try their hardest to hide what actually goes on.its just so brutal and would expose them for all the suffering animals go through which would hurt alot of peoples feelings. meat eater or not.

put a happy cow on a milk carton and never see how this gets made into a product and your living in a bubble guilt free.

milk cows are generally treated well, since then the milk apparently tastes better, so the milkcow example isn't exactly the best. Egg cartons might be a better comparison, though they have differentiation between differnet kinds of holding styles, like free-range and cage. Meat would still be the best example

not really treated well when all your used for is to produce babies, milk and be kept caged most of the time.

imagine being a cow, living in bad conditions all your life, your raped to be kept pregnant and produce milk, your baby every single time gets taken from you so they can be sold for VEAL then one day when your too old, your slaughtered too for meat.

it looks like you havent done the research.

[Lucinda]

It’s a survival game. If you were surviving irl you would need to get food wherever or whatever it takes. There is gardening in the game but unfortunately like someone else mentioned fishing is required to craft some things. There are plenty of games out there, I’m sure you’ll find one that will suit you

[Enderkatze]

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Postat inițial de Enderkatze:

milk cows are generally treated well, since then the milk apparently tastes better, so the milkcow example isn't exactly the best. Egg cartons might be a better comparison, though they have differentiation between differnet kinds of holding styles, like free-range and cage. Meat would still be the best example

not really treated well when all your used for is to produce babies, milk and be kept caged most of the time.

imagine being a cow, living in bad conditions all your life, your raped to be kept pregnant and produce milk, your baby every single time gets taken from you so they can be sold for VEAL then one day when your too old, your slaughtered too for meat.

it looks like you havent done the research.

I live maybe 200 meters away from a local farmer who mainly produces milk. Admittedly, I don't know what it's like in larger milk factories, but from my expirience he treats his about 30 or so cows well

[☨Rip☩]

A vegan diet is disastrous for your body, there are aspects of nutrition you can't get from plant based products. As a side note, the vegan agriculture has a larger negative impact on the climate than that of the animal industry, which is only getting worse for the legislation these climate activist demand of that industry to implement. Your body has evolved to need animal-based fats and proteins, with that the minerals and vitamins that come with that diet. you can't ignore 400.000 years of human evolution and expect your body to "just simply adept."

For some people a vegan diet works on short term, but on the long run it doesn't work out and with that the mental cost isn't worth it. Leading vegan psychology to become sociopathic and borderline as a result.

It is bad ehtics to promote the vegan lifestyle.

[Berious]

Postat inițial de EvinceEmbers:

A vegan diet is disastrous for your body, there are aspects of nutrition you can't get from plant based products. As a side note, the vegan agriculture has a larger negative impact on the climate than that of the animal industry, which is only getting worse for the legislation these climate activist demand of that industry to implement. Your body has evolved to need animal-based fats and proteins, with that the minerals and vitamins that come with that diet. you can't ignore 400.000 years of human evolution and expect your body to "just simply adept."

For some people a vegan diet works on short term, but on the long run it doesn't work out and with that the mental cost isn't worth it. Leading vegan psychology to become sociopathic and borderline as a result.

It is bad ehtics to promote the vegan lifestyle.

The best scientists in the world disagree
http://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2019-10-29-plant-based-foods-are-good-both-health-and-environment

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/veganism-environmental-impact-planet-reduced-plant-based-diet-humans-study-a8378631.html

https://bigthink.com/culture-religion/oxford-vegan-based-diet-could-cut-food-related-carbon-emissions-by-60

Environmental impact of different foods. Cool interactive thing: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-46459714

[Airica Fyresong]

Human culture and values do not matter when it comes to survival. If you want to play the survival game, then you better be ready to do whatever is necessary to ensure your survival.

That being said, realize that most people who don't eat meat see themselves in animals and have those feelings of what it would be like to be treated poorly through life, being killed and then eaten. They don't wish animals to succumb to such a life, so they choose vegetarianism/veganism. But, the honest truth is that you should see yourself in everything. Even a potato or onion is still a living creature. How do you know you aren't making a painful experience for them?

[Enderkatze]

Postat inițial de Nuinethir:

Human culture and values do not matter when it comes to survival. If you want to play the survival game, then you better be ready to do whatever is necessary to ensure your survival.

That being said, realize that most people who don't eat meat see themselves in animals and have those feelings of what it would be like to be treated poorly through life, being killed and then eaten. They don't wish animals to succumb to such a life, so they choose vegetarianism/veganism. But, the honest truth is that you should see yourself in everything. Even a potato or onion is still a living creature. How do you know you aren't making a painful experience for them?

There've even been studies that say plants speak one, or many languages we might just be able to translate! I can't be bothered to find the articles, but that is genuinly true

[Enderkatze]

Postat inițial de Berious:

Postat inițial de EvinceEmbers:

A vegan diet is disastrous for your body, there are aspects of nutrition you can't get from plant based products. As a side note, the vegan agriculture has a larger negative impact on the climate than that of the animal industry, which is only getting worse for the legislation these climate activist demand of that industry to implement. Your body has evolved to need animal-based fats and proteins, with that the minerals and vitamins that come with that diet. you can't ignore 400.000 years of human evolution and expect your body to "just simply adept."

For some people a vegan diet works on short term, but on the long run it doesn't work out and with that the mental cost isn't worth it. Leading vegan psychology to become sociopathic and borderline as a result.

It is bad ehtics to promote the vegan lifestyle.

The best scientists in the world disagree
http://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2019-10-29-plant-based-foods-are-good-both-health-and-environment

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/veganism-environmental-impact-planet-reduced-plant-based-diet-humans-study-a8378631.html

https://bigthink.com/culture-religion/oxford-vegan-based-diet-could-cut-food-related-carbon-emissions-by-60

Environmental impact of different foods. Cool interactive thing: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-46459714

not ALL Vegan food is healthy. Alot isn't

https://www.openfit.com/is-vegan-food-healthy

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200122-are-there-health-benefits-to-going-vegan

neither is a vegan diet entirely good for the enviroment

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/veganism-environment-veganuary-friendly-food-diet-damage-hodmedods-protein-crops-jack-monroe-a8177541.html

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/climate-and-people/eating-meat-better-environment-going-vegetarian-finds-new-study/