What was "the deal"?

[SonukYildiz]

Yeah at this point this have reached the beating the bones of decayed horse but considering the stuff happened in Oceania in the past, merc's attempt to recreate a merc haven and the deal's importance, what could it be? Is there any consensus on that?
It might be:

Nukes- Don't think it is possible, what would Sicario do with them?

Merc haven in cascadia- Why would this cause another world war? Yeah stuff happened in Oceania but still

Immortality- Sounds goofy af, also isn't a cause to commit ww4

pw mk I- It is just a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ plane, why

Some weird ♥♥♥♥ to control-weaponize cordium- Oh we are getting into belkan witchcraft dark magic lore territory, yay!


None of them sounds logical arguments to me and most arguments shape around those, any thoughts?

[Bovril Brigadier]

In AC 432 a crack mercenary unit were headhunted for a war crime they didn't commit. These Mercs were given new identities by the Cascadian Independence Force and escaped to the Presidian underground. Today, still wanted by Federation Peacekeepers, they survive as soldiers of fortune. If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire, The Hitman-Team!

[PiscesSoedroen]

Since stardust said that kaiser can just run away with it and cascadia can't do ♥♥♥♥ about it means a part of the deal is not something that can only be given after cascadian independence. Also nukes (probably cordium nukes) or even the plans to make them is very powerful for sicario, just from the safety perspective alone. Nobody is going to mess with a merc group that has the means to send a country back to calamity era

[Valden21]

Originally posted by PiscesSoedroen:

Since stardust said that kaiser can just run away with it and cascadia can't do ♥♥♥♥ about it means a part of the deal is not something that can only be given after cascadian independence. Also nukes (probably cordium nukes) or even the plans to make them is very powerful for sicario, just from the safety perspective alone. Nobody is going to mess with a merc group that has the means to send a country back to calamity era

I doubt that nukes are part of it. No new country wanting international recognition is gonna put nukes in the hands of mercs, no matter how honorable said mercs have shown themselves to be. It's just way too dangerous. Besides, I don't think that Kaiser would want to have that kind of power; he knows that it's the kind of thing that the Federation would want, and Kaiser HATES the Federation. No, if nukes were part of the deal, Kaiser'd probably think that taking it would be too much like Federation-style methods.

What I DO think is part of it is new identities. Cascadia's in a position to offer that, and after Klara Rask making the identities of Hitman Team public knowledge, they NEED something like that. They'd never be able to enter the Federation again, but after some of the things the Federation tried to do to Cascadia, I think that Sicario'd be just fine with that.

[Wyvern]

Originally posted by Valden21:

Originally posted by PiscesSoedroen:

Since stardust said that kaiser can just run away with it and cascadia can't do ♥♥♥♥ about it means a part of the deal is not something that can only be given after cascadian independence. Also nukes (probably cordium nukes) or even the plans to make them is very powerful for sicario, just from the safety perspective alone. Nobody is going to mess with a merc group that has the means to send a country back to calamity era

I doubt that nukes are part of it. No new country wanting international recognition is gonna put nukes in the hands of mercs, no matter how honorable said mercs have shown themselves to be. It's just way too dangerous. Besides, I don't think that Kaiser would want to have that kind of power; he knows that it's the kind of thing that the Federation would want, and Kaiser HATES the Federation. No, if nukes were part of the deal, Kaiser'd probably think that taking it would be too much like Federation-style methods.

What I DO think is part of it is new identities. Cascadia's in a position to offer that, and after Klara Rask making the identities of Hitman Team public knowledge, they NEED something like that. They'd never be able to enter the Federation again, but after some of the things the Federation tried to do to Cascadia, I think that Sicario'd be just fine with that.

I think new identities are definitely part of it, but its obviously not just that. new identities wouldnt shake prez and kaiser up that much. i mean, after the events of the game, cascadia does become a merc haven (presumably under command of kaiser.) and since hitman team has such a big target on their backs for being war heroes, itd make sense that some people, even other mercs, would want them dead, if master goose is anything to go by. my bet, is on owning cascadia and new identities.

[Valden21]

Originally posted by Wyvern:

I think new identities are definitely part of it, but its obviously not just that. new identities wouldnt shake prez and kaiser up that much. i mean, after the events of the game, cascadia does become a merc haven (presumably under command of kaiser.) and since hitman team has such a big target on their backs for being war heroes, itd make sense that some people, even other mercs, would want them dead, if master goose is anything to go by. my bet, is on owning cascadia and new identities.

Owning Cascadia? After all the trouble they went through to help it break away from the Federation? Nah, I can't see that. High-ranking positions within the Cascadian military? Yes. But being in control of the country itself? No. Kaiser doesn't strike me as the sort of individual who'd be comfortable as a civilian leader, and it'd have to be as a civilian, because going the route of mililitary dictatorship means that their efforts would be for nothing. Total "meet the new boss, same as the old boss" situation.

[Wyvern]

Originally posted by Valden21:

Originally posted by Wyvern:

I think new identities are definitely part of it, but its obviously not just that. new identities wouldnt shake prez and kaiser up that much. i mean, after the events of the game, cascadia does become a merc haven (presumably under command of kaiser.) and since hitman team has such a big target on their backs for being war heroes, itd make sense that some people, even other mercs, would want them dead, if master goose is anything to go by. my bet, is on owning cascadia and new identities.

Owning Cascadia? After all the trouble they went through to help it break away from the Federation? Nah, I can't see that. High-ranking positions within the Cascadian military? Yes. But being in control of the country itself? No. Kaiser doesn't strike me as the sort of individual who'd be comfortable as a civilian leader, and it'd have to be as a civilian, because going the route of mililitary dictatorship means that their efforts would be for nothing. Total "meet the new boss, same as the old boss" situation.

Its implied in the files though. not the game files, but the lore files. even says its lead by a charismatic commander. and last time i checked, mostly everyone at the end of the game is dead, aside from monarch, kaiser, dip and comic, prez probably, and maybe woodward. and woodward definitely wouldnt be taking that job. if it wasnt kaiser, why include a hint as to who is leading that merc haven? maybe not owning cascadia, but they might as well own it, considering the cascadian military is all but erased.

[SonukYildiz]

Originally posted by Valden21:

Originally posted by Wyvern:

I think new identities are definitely part of it, but its obviously not just that. new identities wouldnt shake prez and kaiser up that much. i mean, after the events of the game, cascadia does become a merc haven (presumably under command of kaiser.) and since hitman team has such a big target on their backs for being war heroes, itd make sense that some people, even other mercs, would want them dead, if master goose is anything to go by. my bet, is on owning cascadia and new identities.

Owning Cascadia? After all the trouble they went through to help it break away from the Federation? Nah, I can't see that. High-ranking positions within the Cascadian military? Yes. But being in control of the country itself? No. Kaiser doesn't strike me as the sort of individual who'd be comfortable as a civilian leader, and it'd have to be as a civilian, because going the route of mililitary dictatorship means that their efforts would be for nothing. Total "meet the new boss, same as the old boss" situation.

Yeah I agree on that one. Having ranks in cascadia argument didn't convice me. The deal, in my opinion, is most probably a object of great worth and purpose in my opinion, so much so they can bring back merc cabal with it's power

[Valden21]

Originally posted by delta48:

Yeah I agree on that one. Having ranks in cascadia argument didn't convice me. The deal, in my opinion, is most probably a object of great worth and purpose in my opinion, so much so they can bring back merc cabal with it's power

Object of great worth and purpose? What about a way to produce synthetic cordium? No need to mine it anymore, and whoever controlled the method would automatically gain a lot of power simply because of how valuable cordium is.

[Wyvern]

Originally posted by Valden21:

Originally posted by delta48:

Yeah I agree on that one. Having ranks in cascadia argument didn't convice me. The deal, in my opinion, is most probably a object of great worth and purpose in my opinion, so much so they can bring back merc cabal with it's power

Object of great worth and purpose? What about a way to produce synthetic cordium? No need to mine it anymore, and whoever controlled the method would automatically gain a lot of power simply because of how valuable cordium is.

but no one knows how to do that. and if someone did, theyd be using the thing. cascadia is already has the second highest amount of cordium deposits in the world, next to the feds. if cascadia had access to such a way of producing more cordium, with no risk, they never wouldve needed to hire mercs to begin with, and theyd have the best military in the world. there is no universe where they would ever give that to mercs.

if cascadia was really fighting for independence, why would they put themselves in danger of being controlled again? the mercs may not own cascadia, but we dont know of anything else in the game that could point to being part of the deal, other than something to do with the country. as i said before, they may not own cascadia, but they are probably using it as their place of operations. a safe space for mercs, from the rest of the world.

theres just things we dont know yet. like, why at the end of the game does cascadia want hitman team to be reported to the authorities if they're the reason cascadia came out on top (kinda)? what happens to the federation now that the whole world is up their ass? we gotta use some inferences on what the game tells us via missions and the lore briefings. and as of right now, being in the protection of what is pretty much the country with the largest cordium deposit in the world, with the rest of the world backing that one country up, is my best bet. especially considering it seemed to be directly involved with kaiser. and if the merc cabal wanted to make a merc country, and thats basically what happens to cascadia after the events of the game, what does that tell us about kaiser? granted thats just one of my own theories, that kaiser was a member of the merc cabal, but i digress.

[Valden21]

Originally posted by Wyvern:

but no one knows how to do that. and if someone did, theyd be using the thing. cascadia is already has the second highest amount of cordium deposits in the world, next to the feds. if cascadia had access to such a way of producing more cordium, with no risk, they never wouldve needed to hire mercs to begin with, and theyd have the best military in the world. there is no universe where they would ever give that to mercs.

One doesn't exist when the game starts, but whether that changes over the course of the game. It's a means of guaranteeing the good behavior of other countries. Natural cordium's not gonna last forever, no matter how much any one country has. Therefore, a means of producing synthetic cordium's a guaranteed way of ensuring electric power if a cordium shortage ever occurs., ESPECIALLY if only one country has control of it. Cascadia put the Federation on the ropes, showed that the Federation CAN beaten. A means of producing synthetic cordium enhances that reputation, as it provided an alternate source of cordium. If any other country attempts to invade Cascadia, Sicario can announce that if the invading forces don't turn back, the world can say "bye-bye" to synthetic cordium. Faced with that, what country or organization is gonna be dumb enough to invade the ONE COUNTRY that can ensure electric power if there's a cordium shortage? I

[Wyvern]

Originally posted by Valden21:

Originally posted by Wyvern:

but no one knows how to do that. and if someone did, theyd be using the thing. cascadia is already has the second highest amount of cordium deposits in the world, next to the feds. if cascadia had access to such a way of producing more cordium, with no risk, they never wouldve needed to hire mercs to begin with, and theyd have the best military in the world. there is no universe where they would ever give that to mercs.

One doesn't exist when the game starts, but whether that changes over the course of the game. It's a means of guaranteeing the good behavior of other countries. Natural cordium's not gonna last forever, no matter how much any one country has. Therefore, a means of producing synthetic cordium's a guaranteed way of ensuring electric power if a cordium shortage ever occurs., ESPECIALLY if only one country has control of it. Cascadia put the Federation on the ropes, showed that the Federation CAN beaten. A means of producing synthetic cordium enhances that reputation, as it provided an alternate source of cordium. If any other country attempts to invade Cascadia, Sicario can announce that if the invading forces don't turn back, the world can say "bye-bye" to synthetic cordium. Faced with that, what country or organization is gonna be dumb enough to invade the ONE COUNTRY that can ensure electric power if there's a cordium shortage? I

well now we're just basing stuff off of essentially nothing. your argument is only valid if synthetic cordium is even possible. information that we simply do not know. for all we know, the deal could be kaiser making clones of monarch to rule the world with that logic. its been stated that people HAVE guessed what the deal was correctly, and im sorry, but im not putting any money on the Deal involving something that was never hinted at or shown ingame.

also, cascadia did not put the feds on the ropes by themselves. the only reason they won, was because of hitman team. hell, at the start of the game, its made extremely clear that the cascadian military is so outmatched, that they almost have to resort to guerrilla tactics to stay in the fight, if it wasnt for hitman. and even if it was synthetic cordium, who cares if they have it. all the rest of the world has to do is band together and take cascadia down, because theyd be no better than the federation.

do you even remember C1's quote at the end of the game after you deal the final blow? "when you hear the thunder. when the storm comes for you. remember me." hes trying to prevent monarch from making the same mistake he did. believing he was on top of the world, and on the right side of history. your argument is hinging on monarch not taking his word, and continuing on anyway. the exact same thing that happened in PW, would happen again in your scenario. someone declares war on cascadia, and eventually someone takes them down.

All in all, this is incredibly unlikely given what the game tells us, considering that cordium has been around for hundreds of years now. and if it is correct, thats incredibly bad writing, considering they want people to guess what it is, or else they wouldnt disclose that some were right while keeping them anonymous, which naturally means that people would use the game to figure it out.

[Valden21]

Originally posted by Wyvern:

also, cascadia did not put the feds on the ropes by themselves. the only reason they won, was because of hitman team. hell, at the start of the game, its made extremely clear that the cascadian military is so outmatched, that they almost have to resort to guerrilla tactics to stay in the fight, if it wasnt for hitman. and even if it was synthetic cordium, who cares if they have it. all the rest of the world has to do is band together and take cascadia down, because theyd be no better than the federation.

Not necessarily. The main reason the rest of the world didn't like the Federation was because of how expanionist the Federation was. Cascadia was on the domestic short-end of that same mindset; it's the reason they wanted out in the first place. That's why they didn't have much of a military in the first place; the Federation was leeching it to in order to expand, After years of getting the short end of the stick, it's highly unlikely that Cascadia's civilian government would fall into that same trap; after all, they know what it's like the be on the receiving end of that treatment. Synthetic cordium, if such a thing ever becomes possible, offers Cascadia to gain international allies through mutual benefit, instead of military threat.

With that, I've made my argument. Whether you believe it or not, it doesn't matter to me.

[Wyvern]

Originally posted by Valden21:

Originally posted by Wyvern:

also, cascadia did not put the feds on the ropes by themselves. the only reason they won, was because of hitman team. hell, at the start of the game, its made extremely clear that the cascadian military is so outmatched, that they almost have to resort to guerrilla tactics to stay in the fight, if it wasnt for hitman. and even if it was synthetic cordium, who cares if they have it. all the rest of the world has to do is band together and take cascadia down, because theyd be no better than the federation.

Not necessarily. The main reason the rest of the world didn't like the Federation was because of how expanionist the Federation was. Cascadia was on the domestic short-end of that same mindset; it's the reason they wanted out in the first place. That's why they didn't have much of a military in the first place; the Federation was leeching it to in order to expand, After years of getting the short end of the stick, it's highly unlikely that Cascadia's civilian government would fall into that same trap; after all, they know what it's like the be on the receiving end of that treatment. Synthetic cordium, if such a thing ever becomes possible, offers Cascadia to gain international allies through mutual benefit, instead of military threat.

With that, I've made my argument. Whether you believe it or not, it doesn't matter to me.

Cascadia has its own sets of problems though, mainly, not everyone is equal. in that country, there is a major inequality in many people. case in point, diplomat. he understands this better than anyone, his parents were basically VIP's, high ranking individuals. most of the cascadian citizens dont actually matter, only the ones deemed important enough to matter do. besides, if youve played frontline 59, or at least seen the mercenary end-credits, its begun clear that cascadia is now in a indefinite war with the federation due to what C1 did. Cascadia was already a major supplier of cordium to the rest of the world, hell, the war between the federation and cascadia stopped other wars from other places in the world, due to cordium shortages. while cascadia might not be expansionist like the federation, they sure as ♥♥♥♥ would take advantage of being the biggest cordium deposits in the world. they arent goodie-two shoes, war is never black and white. general faust proves that the cascadians have the capacity to do terrible things, and most of them do, if oceania is anything to go by. cascadia appears like a bastion of good from the outside, but in reality, they have their own set of issues in their society that need to be rooted out. especially considering cascadia wants the war to keep going, and for the feds to be wiped out.

all in all, everything youve said so far is incredibly unlikely. not impossible, just not something the game would lead most to believe. believe what you wanna believe, more power to you, but i just dont agree. good day.

[fire is fun]

Originally posted by Bovril Brigadier:

In AC 432 a crack mercenary unit were headhunted for a war crime they didn't commit. These Mercs were given new identities by the Cascadian Independence Force and escaped to the Presidian underground. Today, still wanted by Federation Peacekeepers, they survive as soldiers of fortune. If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire, The Hitman-Team!

honestly, having it be the identies of these super pilots is really neat (like driver or monarch are 2 of these pilots, and the deal/what they found in Oceania are the identities of more of the pilots)