J20 instead of F22?

[GhostHawk196]

Seriously? One of the best planes in this game is the J20 not the F22 Raptor?

When the Chinese lose the war to Taiwan they’ll realise their so call 5th generation fighter J-20 is actually a 3rd generation at best…

[Courier 6]

how the hell is making a hybrid of two planes "disrespectful to the masterful engineering of the f22 raptor". its just a plane

[King Fossil]

Messaggio originale di Orifan1:

yea cuz every other plane doesn't have a rabid legal team

Lockheed Martin don't care about the F-16 being in the game. Unless you really did mean plane instead of manufacturer and you think they have separate teams for the F-16 and F-22, and only the F-22 team get mad about it showing up in games. I think that's unlikely.

[GhostHawk196]

Messaggio originale di Courier 6:

how the hell is making a hybrid of two planes "disrespectful to the masterful engineering of the f22 raptor". its just a plane

The J20 is a butt ugly plane, the F22 is beautiful. A hybrid of the F22 and J20 is an abomination, I'd rather have the F22

[Gat]

Ya know, I'm sure there's a mod to have actual f22 on nexus.

[Phoenix]

Messaggio originale di -=EDF=- Kouta Seto:

Messaggio originale di GhostHawk196:

It’s disrespectful to the masterful engineering of the F22 Raptor. The F22 is the king of the sky, the J20, probably a third generation fighter. A hybrid between the legendary F22 and the cheap fake they call J20 is like a hybrid between an eagle and a chicken. Not good.

Yea, no, it isnt. The F35 is. The F22 has stealth yes, but is not a dedicated fighter to kill other planes or engage in headon combat. The F35 basicaly say's "F Stealth"! and gets the loadout needed to fight for prolonged time AND the speed and manouverability to do so while evading.

Oh and you cant touch the Shinden II, neither this nor ace combat has a plane rivaling that thing.

Um, the F-22 is LITERALLY designed for air superiority. You have the two switched around, the F-35 is not a dedicated A2A fighter but a multirole. The F-22 is designed to swoop in, wipe the sky of bandits and be back to base in time for dinner. The F-35 is a fantastic aircraft in its own right but it is NOT a better A2A platform than the F-22. The only thing to come close to matching the Raptor in A2A is the Su-57, and maybe the Eurofighter Typhoon.
And Shinden II? Are we talking about the one from Ace Combat? You are aware that thing isn't even real correct?

[Voss_Z]

yeah, use F22, and faint when chasing an airship because of oxygen failure

And he's right about "Eagle and Chicken" because CHICKEN is the one that can't fly high

[Courier 6]

Messaggio originale di GhostHawk196:

Messaggio originale di Courier 6:

how the hell is making a hybrid of two planes "disrespectful to the masterful engineering of the f22 raptor". its just a plane

The J20 is a butt ugly plane, the F22 is beautiful. A hybrid of the F22 and J20 is an abomination, I'd rather have the F22

it doesn't really matter though, theres a mod of the F22 on the nexus anyway if your so offended by the developers making a more original design.

[Orifan1]

Messaggio originale di King Fossil:

Messaggio originale di Orifan1:

yea cuz every other plane doesn't have a rabid legal team

Lockheed Martin don't care about the F-16 being in the game. Unless you really did mean plane instead of manufacturer and you think they have separate teams for the F-16 and F-22, and only the F-22 team get mad about it showing up in games. I think that's unlikely.

f-16 is lockheed? really? damn. then i cant think of any other possible argument.

[JtDarth]

Messaggio originale di Orifan1:

Messaggio originale di King Fossil:

Lockheed Martin don't care about the F-16 being in the game. Unless you really did mean plane instead of manufacturer and you think they have separate teams for the F-16 and F-22, and only the F-22 team get mad about it showing up in games. I think that's unlikely.

f-16 is lockheed? really? damn. then i cant think of any other possible argument.

It's lockheed NOW, it didn't use to be. Unfortunately, monopolies and shady BS get ignored when it's the government's favored group doing it.

[X2dZ]

Messaggio originale di GhostHawk196:

You wanna know how I know their plane probably can’t even take off from the runway? It’s made in *in Donald Trump’s voice* CHINA

Enjoy being stuck in the past.

[Corvus]

Messaggio originale di -=EDF=- Kouta Seto:

The F22 has stealth yes, but is not a dedicated fighter to kill other planes or engage in headon combat. The F35 basicaly say's "F Stealth"! and gets the loadout needed to fight for prolonged time AND the speed and manouverability to do so while evading.

Oh and you cant touch the Shinden II, neither this nor ace combat has a plane rivaling that thing.

Where did you get this information? This is like mind-bogglingly wrong. The F-22 is a dedicated air-to-air platform. It is absolutely designed to kill other planes and engage in headon combat. You know what isn't designed to do that? The F-35. The F-35, also called by the nickname, "Fat Amy," is essentially an overexpensive, multirole version of a scaled down F-22. If anything you've got it backwards.

[For_Science]

i'm sorry children but until fxx comes out truly the f22 is still the de facto ruler of air to air combat. it doesn't matter that it's 20 years old because it was a black project meaning it's tech was 30 years ahead or MORE when they made it. black project meaning the engineers lived in a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ bunked while they deisgned it FOR A DECADE includiong thier families to prevent leaks. Anyway if you know ♥♥♥♥ about air combat you would know the f35 is actually a jet powered awacs with moderate combat capabilities

[JtDarth]

Messaggio originale di Ride_For_Science:

i'm sorry children but until fxx comes out truly the f22 is still the de facto ruler of air to air combat. it doesn't matter that it's 20 years old because it was a black project meaning it's tech was 30 years ahead or MORE when they made it. black project meaning the engineers lived in a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ bunked while they deisgned it FOR A DECADE includiong thier families to prevent leaks. Anyway if you know ♥♥♥♥ about air combat you would know the f35 is actually a jet powered awacs with moderate combat capabilities

'How to demonstrate you know nothing about the subject, in a single post'
The F-22 is not the 'de facto ruler' of air to air combat. It is to expensive to build and maintain for it to obtain that role.
It being a secret project during development is also quite wrong. It was developed for roughly 5 years, and the YF-22, which became the F-22, wound up taking the better avionics that were present in the YF-23, which was actually faster and stealthier. But because it 'looked weird' and 'wasn't as agile' (and copious amounts of money were thrown as bribes by the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ @lockheed-martin) the YF-22 was chosen. It then spent about 5 years being further tweaked before it's 'public reveal', when they started using it in media marketing and the like. That they had it, and it's general planned capabilities, were not blackboxed info.


What it is the 'ruler' of, is speartip strikes. It's the opening salvo, but it will absolutely get it's ♥♥♥♥ kicked in by the more numerous 4+ gen aircraft in open conflict if it sticks around once it's lost the element of surprise. The ONLY thing that really puts the F-22 ahead of the game, is the stealth aspects, which are out of date, difficult to maintain, and generally not as big a deal as people like to give credit for. It's also been in official service for roughly 25 years, and only had a total of 187 service craft actually built. Actual airworthy numbers that can be deployed at any given time are maybe 25% of that, due to the maintence requirements of it's stealth coatings and internal systems. Which is a big factor in why they want the F-35 to take it's place, as it is supposedly less maintenance intense (and at least in theory, shouldn't blow up their pilot's lungs. Google 'raptor cough', if you want to know more. IIRC the ground crews also get health issues from the raptor.)

Also, your comments about the F-35 are just totally wrong. It's basically the new F-16 or F-18. It's intended as the brand new 'do-it-all' workhorse, and as a result, will absolutely be inferior to more specialized craft in most scenarios.

[Orifan1]

aaaand now the 22 has been ruined for me

[Orifan1]

Messaggio originale di King Fossil:

Messaggio originale di Orifan1:

yea cuz every other plane doesn't have a rabid legal team

Lockheed Martin don't care about the F-16 being in the game. Unless you really did mean plane instead of manufacturer and you think they have separate teams for the F-16 and F-22, and only the F-22 team get mad about it showing up in games. I think that's unlikely.

also, possible counterpoint to this i just thought of:

the f-22 is lockheed's baby. what they're KNOWN for. its the thing normies know. the f-16 is just some random fighter that most normies dont give a ♥♥♥♥ about