How bad did they nerf the VSD?

[Lord-Knight Fandragon]

Serious question. I joined another server and managed to get a VSD and I swear to god, either the Hunter scope is horrifically misaligned, the VSD got it's damage nerfed to hell, or the accuracy got nerfed.

I spent a few hours with it shooting convoys and some Hard POI Gorka guys. I snuck right up to like 30m from a pair of guys, zoomed in, held my breath, put the guy's head dead center on the hunter scope's aim point, fired and got nothing......the VSD does 1 tap heads right? Guy was even wearing a helmet......

Then another time, right after I looted said gun off the convoy boss, I found it took 3-4 rounds to down a single guy from close range.....guys walked right up on me and I put 3-4 rounds dead center in the guy's chest....

THen the AK-74U, 13 rounds on semi auto to down a single hard Gorka guy....really?

What is with the enemy health in this game? WHy is it so much better than ours?!

[2_sp@wn_u_go]

The server you joined may have the AI's health increased. There is an option to buff AI by increasing their health and the amount of damage they do. These values are set to default on my server and I can still reliably down most scavs with a vsd in one shot, and 2 or 3 for the convoy boss. The fact it took you 13 hits to kill a gorka in a hard mission yet 3 to 6 will do it just fine for me doing an epic mission hints that your server has increased bot difficulty.

Its not that weapons were nerfed, it is just that the server you are on may have bot health set to 200%

[Lord-Knight Fandragon]

Origineel geplaatst door 2_sp@wn_u_go:

The server you joined may have the AI's health increased. There is an option to buff AI by increasing their health and the amount of damage they do. These values are set to default on my server and I can still reliably down most scavs with a vsd in one shot, and 2 or 3 for the convoy boss. The fact it took you 13 hits to kill a gorka in a hard mission yet 3 to 6 will do it just fine for me doing an epic mission hints that your server has increased bot difficulty.

Its not that weapons were nerfed, it is just that the server you are on may have bot health set to 200%

Yeah, I went and looked.....dear god, they did have it set to 200%......

Why would anyone set the AI health to 200%......I wish bot damage could go below 100%.......

Why is the PISTOL the AI's best weapon? I got hit from 100 to 10 by 1 single 1911 shot. I didnt think pistols did that much damage....wtf...

[Darkear]

Origineel geplaatst door Lord-Knight Fandragon:

Origineel geplaatst door 2_sp@wn_u_go:

The server you joined may have the AI's health increased. There is an option to buff AI by increasing their health and the amount of damage they do. These values are set to default on my server and I can still reliably down most scavs with a vsd in one shot, and 2 or 3 for the convoy boss. The fact it took you 13 hits to kill a gorka in a hard mission yet 3 to 6 will do it just fine for me doing an epic mission hints that your server has increased bot difficulty.

Its not that weapons were nerfed, it is just that the server you are on may have bot health set to 200%

Yeah, I went and looked.....dear god, they did have it set to 200%......

Why would anyone set the AI health to 200%......I wish bot damage could go below 100%.......

Why is the PISTOL the AI's best weapon? I got hit from 100 to 10 by 1 single 1911 shot. I didnt think pistols did that much damage....wtf...

Because the 1911 uses the .45 caliber = ouch!

[Lord-Knight Fandragon]

Origineel geplaatst door Darkear:

Origineel geplaatst door Lord-Knight Fandragon:

Yeah, I went and looked.....dear god, they did have it set to 200%......

Why would anyone set the AI health to 200%......I wish bot damage could go below 100%.......

Why is the PISTOL the AI's best weapon? I got hit from 100 to 10 by 1 single 1911 shot. I didnt think pistols did that much damage....wtf...

Because the 1911 uses the .45 caliber = ouch!

But does it do more damage than other pistols in game? I know waht it does in RL, but in game, I swear i watched Loaf's damage and armor video and all the pistols were lumped in together all with 1 damage value of like 25 or so.

EDIT: and now rewatching the video, .45s are 50 dmg. Ok, but then you factor in armor of 50% for heavy assault vest, that is 25 dmg, 4 shots to kill. With a HEADSHOT, while wearing a heavy assault helm(which my guy is), its only 30 damn damage. Sooooooooo, where in the HELL is all the damage these AI deal coming from? 100 to 10 in a single 1911 shot? Sorry, but that doesnt match the math. Same thing of the Helicopter RPK guys. RPK is in the AR category, it does like 25 dmg a shot vs all the heavy armor, yet the Heli RPK guy kills me in like 2-3 hits every time.

Soooo, how much of a damage cheat did BadPixel give thier AI? Pretty damn significant it seems.

[Darkear]

Origineel geplaatst door Lord-Knight Fandragon:

Origineel geplaatst door Darkear:

Because the 1911 uses the .45 caliber = ouch!

But does it do more damage than other pistols in game? I know waht it does in RL, but in game, I swear i watched Loaf's damage and armor video and all the pistols were lumped in together all with 1 damage value of like 25 or so.

Yes it does. The damage values for pistols are not all the same. And i am pretty sure Loaf didnt say that in the video he did with weapons contra damage for the 1911. The .45 caliber does a lot of damage like irl, both the 1911 and UMR are damage "creators" ;)

[Lord-Knight Fandragon]

Origineel geplaatst door Darkear:

Origineel geplaatst door Lord-Knight Fandragon:

But does it do more damage than other pistols in game? I know waht it does in RL, but in game, I swear i watched Loaf's damage and armor video and all the pistols were lumped in together all with 1 damage value of like 25 or so.

Yes it does. The damage values for pistols are not all the same. And i am pretty sure Loaf didnt say that in the video he did with weapons contra damage for the 1911. The .45 caliber does a lot of damage like irl, both the 1911 and UMR are damage "creators" ;)

He did, I edited the previous post....

[Darkear]

Remember, armor doesnt cover the entire body. If the AI hit you in the neck, throat, under the arm/armpit etc. There is no armor that covers these areas, and the damage is thereby "complete". You wouldnt aim for the AI´s head when he is wearing a helmet - you would go for the neck or throat to get the 1 tap kill.....

[Lord-Knight Fandragon]

Origineel geplaatst door Darkear:

Remember, armor doesnt cover the entire body. If the AI hit you in the neck, throat, under the arm/armpit etc. There is no armor that covers these areas, and the damage is thereby "complete". You wouldnt aim for the AI´s head when he is wearing a helmet - you would go for the neck or throat to get the 1 tap kill.....

Except from watching dudes video, the heavy assault armor/helm does pretty much cover your entire upper portion, and even parts of the body that arent visually covered by armor.

Its also astounding with what such ease the AI seem to hit those pixel sized weakpoints. Its not like I was just standing out in the open, naaawww, im always behind the fattest tree I can find, I poke in and out of cover, fire, take cover, poke, fire.....yeah...I dont just sit there and let myself get shot.....but damn if the AI arent BS with the accuracy.

Also, also, how much of the "head" is the "head" hitbox? The throat counts as a head hit?

[Darkear]

Origineel geplaatst door Lord-Knight Fandragon:

Origineel geplaatst door Darkear:

Remember, armor doesnt cover the entire body. If the AI hit you in the neck, throat, under the arm/armpit etc. There is no armor that covers these areas, and the damage is thereby "complete". You wouldnt aim for the AI´s head when he is wearing a helmet - you would go for the neck or throat to get the 1 tap kill.....

Except from watching dudes video, the heavy assault armor/helm does pretty much cover your entire upper portion, and even parts of the body that arent visually covered by armor.

Its also astounding with what such ease the AI seem to hit those pixel sized weakpoints. Its not like I was just standing out in the open, naaawww, im always behind the fattest tree I can find, I poke in and out of cover, fire, take cover, poke, fire.....yeah...I dont just sit there and let myself get shot.....but damn if the AI arent BS with the accuracy.

Also, also, how much of the "head" is the "head" hitbox? The throat counts as a head hit?

No, the visually covered parts with armor, is the only areas that are protected. forex. If youre neck is exposed visually, your neck is exposed for damage. The neck is pretty much the same as a headshot damage wise - just like irl. The heavy assault armor only covers the areas you can see - so, forex. your armpits aint covered! Yes, the AI will use these uncovered areas of your body - you do/should do the same ;) The AI is pretty well coded in this game.

[Lord-Knight Fandragon]

Origineel geplaatst door Darkear:

Origineel geplaatst door Lord-Knight Fandragon:

Except from watching dudes video, the heavy assault armor/helm does pretty much cover your entire upper portion, and even parts of the body that arent visually covered by armor.

Its also astounding with what such ease the AI seem to hit those pixel sized weakpoints. Its not like I was just standing out in the open, naaawww, im always behind the fattest tree I can find, I poke in and out of cover, fire, take cover, poke, fire.....yeah...I dont just sit there and let myself get shot.....but damn if the AI arent BS with the accuracy.

Also, also, how much of the "head" is the "head" hitbox? The throat counts as a head hit?

No, the visually covered parts with armor, is the only areas that are protected. forex. If youre neck is exposed visually, your neck is exposed for damage. The neck is pretty much the same as a headshot damage wise - just like irl. The heavy assault armor only covers the areas you can see - so, forex. your armpits aint covered! Yes, the AI will use these uncovered areas of your body - you do/should do the same ;) The AI is pretty well coded in this game.

8:20 in this video.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wywHnlm6DHU

Heavy assault armor *does* get rid of those weakpoints on your ass and crotch, stuff like that. JUst before that part, he illustrates how under the arm pits is infact guarded by the armor, even though it isnt visually.

[Darkear]

Origineel geplaatst door Lord-Knight Fandragon:

Origineel geplaatst door Darkear:

No, the visually covered parts with armor, is the only areas that are protected. forex. If youre neck is exposed visually, your neck is exposed for damage. The neck is pretty much the same as a headshot damage wise - just like irl. The heavy assault armor only covers the areas you can see - so, forex. your armpits aint covered! Yes, the AI will use these uncovered areas of your body - you do/should do the same ;) The AI is pretty well coded in this game.

8:20 in this video.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wywHnlm6DHU

Heavy assault armor *does* get rid of those weakpoints on your ass and crotch, stuff like that. JUst before that part, he illustrates how under the arm pits is infact guarded by the armor, even though it isnt visually.

Yeah rightly, they did change that last big update, with armor protecting the armpits - true.

[2_sp@wn_u_go]

Origineel geplaatst door Lord-Knight Fandragon:

Origineel geplaatst door Darkear:

Because the 1911 uses the .45 caliber = ouch!

But does it do more damage than other pistols in game? I know waht it does in RL, but in game, I swear i watched Loaf's damage and armor video and all the pistols were lumped in together all with 1 damage value of like 25 or so.

EDIT: and now rewatching the video, .45s are 50 dmg. Ok, but then you factor in armor of 50% for heavy assault vest, that is 25 dmg, 4 shots to kill. With a HEADSHOT, while wearing a heavy assault helm(which my guy is), its only 30 damn damage. Sooooooooo, where in the HELL is all the damage these AI deal coming from? 100 to 10 in a single 1911 shot? Sorry, but that doesnt match the math. Same thing of the Helicopter RPK guys. RPK is in the AR category, it does like 25 dmg a shot vs all the heavy armor, yet the Heli RPK guy kills me in like 2-3 hits every time.

Soooo, how much of a damage cheat did BadPixel give thier AI? Pretty damn significant it seems.

Were you wearing a helmet? I think somewhere along the lines, baf pixel nerfed the headshot damage AI can dish out so you can survive a pistol headshot from them, but not other players.

[Lord-Knight Fandragon]

Origineel geplaatst door 2_sp@wn_u_go:

Were you wearing a helmet? I think somewhere along the lines, baf pixel nerfed the headshot damage AI can dish out so you can survive a pistol headshot from them, but not other players.

My guy has been wearing heavy assault everything since like hour 1, no joke. I had an absolute top tier start, getting a supply drop with armor, a stalker bag and the works. That allowed me to start clapping convoys and heli crashes pretty quick, and I just kept getting more and more gear from there. Soooo, yeah, I have a heavy assault helm and vest......in fact ive got heavy assault vests in many different colors. Come on over to Zelz PVE server, and come shop around at Fandragon's armor emporium. We have armor of ALL the colors of the rainbow.

[2_sp@wn_u_go]

Origineel geplaatst door Lord-Knight Fandragon:

Origineel geplaatst door 2_sp@wn_u_go:

Were you wearing a helmet? I think somewhere along the lines, baf pixel nerfed the headshot damage AI can dish out so you can survive a pistol headshot from them, but not other players.

My guy has been wearing heavy assault everything since like hour 1, no joke. I had an absolute top tier start, getting a supply drop with armor, a stalker bag and the works. That allowed me to start clapping convoys and heli crashes pretty quick, and I just kept getting more and more gear from there. Soooo, yeah, I have a heavy assault helm and vest......in fact ive got heavy assault vests in many different colors. Come on over to Zelz PVE server, and come shop around at Fandragon's armor emporium. We have armor of ALL the colors of the rainbow.

I have noted that shooting the neck may still count as a full unarmored headshot, can someone verify this for me?

[Overlord]

not gonna lie, armor is pretty much useless, the damage it does if it all negate is worthless in the grand scheme of random damage numbers alah fortnite where you can be 1 tapped through 200 points of health.

also helmets aren't rated to protect against rifle rounds, so yes you can dome someone with a rifle round, if they were rated for rifle rounds you'd have such a hard time keeping your head up that you may as well break your own neck before it does.

weapon accuracy overall needs to be improved and the damage the ai does even at 100% needs to be nerfed into the ground save for headshots which should in fact kill you in one hit, helmet or not (unless its a handgun round).

on that note, damage should be weapon based not what ever numbers exist for ai to play with. if the m99 does 100 damage regardless of where it hits, it should do 100 damage. if the svd does 100 damage on headshot and 50 to 75 it should do that minus the damage reduction the body armor gives (same with every weapon)