Man they sure treat Erica bad :( (spoilers)

[MarkedMarkyMark]

I won't spoil, but it's just, a bit mean honestly, tho' halfway it is just friends being friends that knew each other for years, but it does come a bit more mean spirited at times just because of the thing.

[Khazmo]

That tends to be how old mates act. They're there for one another, yet they'll take the p*ss out of each other too. And lets be fair, Erica is more than capable of handling them when they act that way. If they acted like that to someone new, sure, it'd be mean spirited, but they grew up alongside her, so it is quite natural.

[MarkedMarkyMark]

Originally posted by Khazmo:

That tends to be how old mates act. They're there for one another, yet they'll take the p*ss out of each other too. And lets be fair, Erica is more than capable of handling them when they act that way. If they acted like that to someone new, sure, it'd be mean spirited, but they grew up alongside her, so it is quite natural.

Yeah, that is true, it's just, wish there was another punching bag on her character other than ''the thing'', but overall it is nice that everyone's treat equally. Mostly everyone is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

[Redblaze27]

Part of it was they didnt want to ruin what her and Toby had going on. If they are happy, who are they to interfere?

In my headcannon for the pure ending, Toby & Erika are still an item, despite the mental shock to Toby.

[MarkedMarkyMark]

Originally posted by Redblaze27:

Part of it was they didnt want to ruin what her and Toby had going on. If they are happy, who are they to interfere?

In my headcannon for the pure ending, Toby & Erika are still an item, despite the mental shock to Toby.

Yeah, I mean, here's the thing about it right, they should've gave her ♥♥♥♥ for not telling him prior to it, she did lie, and wasnt open with him, to me that's what those ''maybe you shouldnt do it mean, dunno about her hardy har'' should've be aimed at, not just, the thing. I do think that it overall dosent matter honestly, but considering that she wasnt open, i wouldn't put them together, or they might work it out. She DID go through a lot to make that thing happen afterall, as someone that knows a couple of people, it's really not super easy, or cheap, to do so.

I mean the theme of the game is adulthood, relationship, and faithfulness, lies and all of that, so she fits in really.

[Redblaze27]

I feel if they put too much focus on it, it would've shined too much attention on the twist of her getting the dreams and the actual criterea for those affected.

You'd go "oh, its because Erika is trans, so the devs think trans women arent women", when the truth is "Erika cannot bare offspring and isnt telling her partner".

[Tio Mega Man X]

Originally posted by Dead Not Sleeping:

I won't spoil, but it's just, a bit mean honestly, tho' halfway it is just friends being friends that knew each other for years, but it does come a bit more mean spirited at times just because of the thing.

But there is no thing, that makes her less interesting.

[MarkedMarkyMark]

Originally posted by Redblaze27:

I feel if they put too much focus on it, it would've shined too much attention on the twist of her getting the dreams and the actual criterea for those affected.

You'd go "oh, its because Erika is trans, so the devs think trans women arent women", when the truth is "Erika cannot bare offspring and isnt telling her partner".

woh spoilers there mate! Catherine was a niche game, i expect there's in fact some people that was interested but never played it. But yeah I agree.

[Travis the Moonstar]

Originally posted by Dead Not Sleeping:

I won't spoil, but it's just, a bit mean honestly, tho' halfway it is just friends being friends that knew each other for years, but it does come a bit more mean spirited at times just because of the thing.

I mean, one of the dudes ♥♥♥♥♥ Erica.

I don't think they're too hard on Erica at all. If anything, Erica is the douche.

[Bodhsativa]

Originally posted by Travis the Moonstar:

Originally posted by Dead Not Sleeping:

I won't spoil, but it's just, a bit mean honestly, tho' halfway it is just friends being friends that knew each other for years, but it does come a bit more mean spirited at times just because of the thing.

I mean, one of the dudes ♥♥♥♥♥ Erica.

I don't think they're too hard on Erica at all. If anything, Erica is the douche.

I disagree. I think Erica is actually the only nice character in the game. Friendly, chatty, concerned about her friends, etc. Everyone else is an ass.
I think the fact Toby didn't get a heads up first was just bad writing. It's not in her character to be like that. They just wanted a trans joke and wrote it in. Nothing about here would imply she'd do that, really

Originally posted by Redblaze27:

Part of it was they didnt want to ruin what her and Toby had going on. If they are happy, who are they to interfere?

In my headcannon for the pure ending, Toby & Erika are still an item, despite the mental shock to Toby.

I actually think they are. It's not explicit but in the true ending she has her arms around him for literally minutes. If they weren't okay together, I don't think they'd be like that.
I think they could have handled representation better overall, and made a few less jokes. They really made too many.
That being said, they didn't really represent anyone in a positive light. Men or women. They made relationships look like a mess and that's it.

OP, you should definitely put SPOILERS in the topic title.

[MarkedMarkyMark]

Originally posted by Bodhsativa:

Originally posted by Travis the Moonstar:

I mean, one of the dudes ♥♥♥♥♥ Erica.

I don't think they're too hard on Erica at all. If anything, Erica is the douche.

I disagree. I think Erica is actually the only nice character in the game. Friendly, chatty, concerned about her friends, etc. Everyone else is an ass.
I think the fact Toby didn't get a heads up first was just bad writing. It's not in her character to be like that. They just wanted a trans joke and wrote it in. Nothing about here would imply she'd do that, really

Originally posted by Redblaze27:

Part of it was they didnt want to ruin what her and Toby had going on. If they are happy, who are they to interfere?

In my headcannon for the pure ending, Toby & Erika are still an item, despite the mental shock to Toby.

I actually think they are. It's not explicit but in the true ending she has her arms around him for literally minutes. If they weren't okay together, I don't think they'd be like that.
I think they could have handled representation better overall, and made a few less jokes. They really made too many.
That being said, they didn't really represent anyone in a positive light. Men or women. They made relationships look like a mess and that's it.

OP, you should definitely put SPOILERS in the topic title.

Yep you said it better than i could. And fixed, my bad! Man I wonder if in the full body there'll be a babel maker mode, it'd be fun to build puzzles to mess with people. The more i play it the more i want to build a thingie.

[Redblaze27]

Of course it could've been handled better, but I do like that by only having it explicitly said in one of the endings, its not really a big deal.

[Bodhsativa]

Originally posted by Redblaze27:

Of course it could've been handled better, but I do like that by only having it explicitly said in one of the endings, its not really a big deal.

Yes. Like I read some articles about it and I think the "negative" portrayal that a lot of them were spinning isn't accurate. It could be improved but that's a different conversation.

For instance, in my first playthough, I didn't notice that Erica was trans through nearly the whole game. She was just a bartender. In certain respects, that IS a well written trans character. After knowing that however, some of the aspects of the writing seemed in bad taste with regards to stereotypes.

However, I recognised something. Erica is not a trans character that is meant to represent or be relatable to trans people. She is a character that is meant to be attractive to straight men (or lesbians or whoever like women, whatevs). She's cute, funny, caring, friendly and her boobs are out and about
She's the one female that you have real conversations with.
They wrote her to be attractive to men so that she would be considered a normal, even attractive, woman right up until the reveal. And then you realise you've been thinking about a trans person this whole time. It was meant to make you question yourself, I think. I feel that was the goal more than anything, and they did a good job of it.

[Redblaze27]

Originally posted by Bodhsativa:

Originally posted by Redblaze27:

Of course it could've been handled better, but I do like that by only having it explicitly said in one of the endings, its not really a big deal.

Yes. Like I read some articles about it and I think the "negative" portrayal that a lot of them were spinning isn't accurate. It could be improved but that's a different conversation.

For instance, in my first playthough, I didn't notice that Erica was trans through nearly the whole game. She was just a bartender. In certain respects, that IS a well written trans character. After knowing that however, some of the aspects of the writing seemed in bad taste with regards to stereotypes.

However, I recognised something. Erica is not a trans character that is meant to represent or be relatable to trans people. She is a character that is meant to be attractive to straight men (or lesbians or whoever like women, whatevs). She's cute, funny, caring, friendly and her boobs are out and about
She's the one female that you have real conversations with.
They wrote her to be attractive to men so that she would be considered a normal, even attractive, woman right up until the reveal. And then you realise you've been thinking about a trans person this whole time. It was meant to make you question yourself, I think. I feel that was the goal more than anything, and they did a good job of it.

I'd say she's written in a way where the issue could've been a number of things, but the devs chose to go with something really uncommon in the gaming sphere, especially around when the game released. The main point was to make you question the nature of the selection process, given she was affected.

She's universally liked and adored by everyone else, even her old friends.

[MaskedCircle]

Originally posted by Khazmo:

That tends to be how old mates act. They're there for one another, yet they'll take the p*ss out of each other too. And lets be fair, Erica is more than capable of handling them when they act that way. If they acted like that to someone new, sure, it'd be mean spirited, but they grew up alongside her, so it is quite natural.

this sums up perfectly