Why does the Stonecutter need 2 Iron?

[Bongoboy]

As title says.

I would like to suggest, making the Stonecutter cost instead of 2 Iron, 20 Iron Nails. That way one could bring a Workbench and a Stonecutter and restore all of those Woodhouses or Towers by just using a Portal. This would make it easier to build without making it OP.

I understand why the Smithy and it's addons require Metals, the Smithy is mainly used for later Weapons.
If the Stonecutter's materials could be brought through a Portal one could build structures more freely.

[pipo.p]

Good luck next time you try cutting floor tiling irl with nails!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonemasonry

[warrenchmobile]

Iron nails are not suitable for cutting stone. A chisel would be appropriate. So why is there not a chisel in the game?

My guess is Iron Gate Studio does not wish to allow a player to build with or repair stone without a crafting structure requiring bar iron to make.

Presumably. Iron Gate Studio is familiar with the concept of a chisel and chose not to include chisels in the game. I believe the most likely reason is that a player would be able to able to carry it through a portal. They believe that would make the player overpowered.

Perhaps they would consider a compromise where a chisel would allow a player to repair an existing stone block with a workbench but would not be able to create a new one.

[Bongoboy]

Originally posted by pipo.p:

Good luck next time you try cutting floor tiling irl with nails!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonemasonry

Good luck next time you try cutting floor tiling irl with a bar of iron!

@warrenchmobile
Yeah iron nails are not good at cutting stone. I would guess you not even use the Bar of Iron to cut stone either. I would guess, Iron Gate Studios tried to imply that you need the Iron Bar to craft the tools required and they stay with the Stonecutter Workbench. I understand that.
I just wanted to ask if it would not be better if the Stonecutter would not require Iron Bars, so the player can fix up all those Stone Structures encountered.

Originally posted by warrenchmobile:

My guess is Iron Gate Studio does not wish to allow a player to build with or repair stone without a crafting structure requiring bar iron to make.

I believe the most likely reason is that a player would be able to able to carry it through a portal. They believe that would make the player overpowered.

Yeah it is obvious that they didn't want the player to easily bring Stonecutter workbenches everywhere. I am not so sure if that would make the player overpowered.

If I want to protect my camp efficiently... I would either create a trench or a mound and then litter the area with campfires to prevent any enemies from spawning... and if they spawn from reaching my savehouse.

[electricdawn]

Not sure how operating a Stone cutter would make you „overpowered“…

[warrenchmobile]

Originally posted by electricdawn:

Not sure how operating a Stone cutter would make you „overpowered“…

I am not sure either. I used the term because Lithariel said, "This would make it easier to build without aking it OP." I assumed he meant "overpowered" as opposed to "original poster" or some other term.

As far as Vikings are concerned, what little research I have done indicates that Vikings did not build with stone. Viking houses were built of wood. Their most massive fortifications had earthen walls faced with timber. Stone buildings in Scandanavis came after the Viking Age. Vikings would have encountered and used stone buildings and fortifications in the lands to the south where they raided and traded. They would have had little incentive to build them at home.

I am guessing that the Swedish programmers who make up Iron Gate Studio have forgotten more about Vikings than I ever knew. Building with stone was not a Viking practice. It does not surprise me that building with earth and wood is possible from the start of the game while building with stone is not possible until one discovers iron.

[electricdawn]

Vikings did know about steel, though. 😏

[pipo.p]

Originally posted by Lithariel:

Originally posted by pipo.p:

Good luck next time you try cutting floor tiling irl with nails!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonemasonry

Good luck next time you try cutting floor tiling irl with a bar of iron!

@warrenchmobile
Yeah iron nails are not good at cutting stone. I would guess you not even use the Bar of Iron to cut stone either.

Are you kidding? Perhaps you happen to use a bar of iron to poke at monsters, or some wood, resin and leather craps to float over oceans? Ingredients instead of crafted items? Ingredients instead of workstations?

Iron for stone cutter has the same meaning as copper for forge or non-wood ingredients for workbench: they stand for tools on top of a working station/space; those tools you don't have to craft by the way. Conveniently, they also serve to lock a technology tree behind an exploration level (or a biome, could we say).

[luponix]

yep gameplay wise nails would be much better for the stone cutter

[Bongoboy]

Originally posted by warrenchmobile:

Originally posted by electricdawn:

Not sure how operating a Stone cutter would make you „overpowered“…

I am not sure either. I used the term because Lithariel said, "This would make it easier to build without aking it OP." I assumed he meant "overpowered" as opposed to "original poster" or some other term.

As far as Vikings are concerned, what little research I have done indicates that Vikings did not build with stone. Viking houses were built of wood. Their most massive fortifications had earthen walls faced with timber. Stone buildings in Scandanavis came after the Viking Age. Vikings would have encountered and used stone buildings and fortifications in the lands to the south where they raided and traded. They would have had little incentive to build them at home.

I am guessing that the Swedish programmers who make up Iron Gate Studio have forgotten more about Vikings than I ever knew. Building with stone was not a Viking practice. It does not surprise me that building with earth and wood is possible from the start of the game while building with stone is not possible until one discovers iron.

@electricdawn
I said that because the stance Iron Gate Studios has about using Portals while bringing with you Metal Ore/Bars... which most apparently would circumvent one major part of the game: having to haul all your stuff to your base.

@warrenchmobile
I doubt that Valheim tries to accurately reflect real Viking Age living/fighting/building.

Valheim is probably taking place in the afterlife, either as Ragnarok or as a test/game of Odin and Thor. One would assume that once you earned your place at the table of Odin... as a Warrior you would get bored fast just with feasting alone... so some game is probably there... to spend the time until Ragnarok starts.
Valheim could be such a game arena.

So yeah... in real history Vikings did not build big Castles and other structures with stone. But we are not reliving history, this game is not a accurate representation of Viking life... the background is really just something of a theme.

That makes all your clinging to real history laughable out-of-touch of the subject matter of my suggestion. I suggested that for gameplay purposes it would be helpful if the Stonecutter could be brought in... without breaking any important part of the game, that is transport of your mining haul.

Originally posted by pipo.p:

Are you kidding? Perhaps you happen to use a bar of iron to poke at monsters, or some wood, resin and leather craps to float over oceans? Ingredients instead of crafted items? Ingredients instead of workstations?

Iron for stone cutter has the same meaning as copper for forge or non-wood ingredients for workbench: they stand for tools on top of a working station/space; those tools you don't have to craft by the way. Conveniently, they also serve to lock a technology tree behind an exploration level (or a biome, could we say).

I thought it was obvious that the metal used in the crafting stations is turned into tools bound to the station build. Then you came and mocked me.... and I just returned the favor.

I could now start to talk about how stuff is really made... like stone blocks... but that is beside the point of this thread and I am not that bored so I want to waste time on this.

Originally posted by luponix:

yep gameplay wise nails would be much better for the stone cutter

At least someone got the point of this thread. Thank you so much luponix... I started to feel like only trolls answer. Trying to argue real historic accuracy or real ways to create stuff... when we talk about a game...

[PakaNoHida]

Have you actually looked at it?

Metal Mallet & Metal Chisel on it, well, that isn't going to be made from nails unless they are doing a Damascus thing ((See the show Forged and Fire for reference) which is fully outside of this game.

Secondly there are 2 metals clamps, to help the wood hold up the stone.

Lastly, there is a metal portion on the stone cutter, metal hooks and a pulley system on it, all metal...

And you think the 2 bars should be switched to nails???

[jonnin]

early stone was often cut/shaped by putting wood in a crack and then wetting the wood to expand it.
any game mechanic is dumb if you go into it too deeply. How do you carry 10 bowls of stew in a backpack? Do you really think an antler on a stick can break any kind of rock? How is thatch made of wood again? Wouldn't the first meat rack (the 2 piece one) burn up in the fire as it is made of wood? Why DOES nothing burn in the fire? You can drop anything into a bonfire and get it back out later. .....

[Bongoboy]

Originally posted by PakaNoHida:

And you think the 2 bars should be switched to nails???

I was talking about gameplay, not realism. So I take it, you like it the way it is, that you have to transport 2 Iron Bars to wherever you want to work with stone in your house?

Originally posted by jonnin:

any game mechanic is dumb if you go into it too deeply. How do you carry 10 bowls of stew in a backpack? Do you really think an antler on a stick can break any kind of rock? How is thatch made of wood again? Wouldn't the first meat rack (the 2 piece one) burn up in the fire as it is made of wood? Why DOES nothing burn in the fire? You can drop anything into a bonfire and get it back out later. .....

Yeah I agree, lol. Once you put a Bonfire into a small hut... you know it all. Though the first cooking rack makes sense... if you place it right.

Originally posted by jonnin:

any game mechanic is dumb if you go into it too deeply.

Can't agree more. Valheim is... like Minecraft and many more... not [that[/b] in detail... and it is good it isn't lol.

[warrenchmobile]

Originally posted by Lithariel:

@warrenchmobile
I doubt that Valheim tries to accurately reflect real Viking Age living/fighting/building.

Valheim is probably taking place in the afterlife, either as Ragnarok or as a test/game of Odin and Thor. One would assume that once you earned your place at the table of Odin... as a Warrior you would get bored fast just with feasting alone... so some game is probably there... to spend the time until Ragnarok starts.
Valheim could be such a game arena.

So yeah... in real history Vikings did not build big Castles and other structures with stone. But we are not reliving history, this game is not a accurate representation of Viking life... the background is really just something of a theme.

That makes all your clinging to real history laughable out-of-touch of the subject matter of my suggestion. I suggested that for gameplay purposes it would be helpful if the Stonecutter could be brought in... without breaking any important part of the game, that is transport of your mining haul.

I see you don't like clinging to history but here is a blast from the recent past. Iron Gate Studio has stated in no uncertain terms that the transport of metal ores and metal ingots will never be part of its game.

Your idea to circumvent this by replacing a raw material used in the construction of a Stonecutter (iron bars) with a finished product which is neither designed or suitable for cutting stone (iron nails) is patently ridiculous.

As others have said, there are mods to Valheim which will allow a player to teleport with metal ores and ingots in his or her inventory. Use one of them. Or world-hop.

[Bongoboy]

Originally posted by warrenchmobile:

I see you don't like clinging to history but here is a blast from the recent past. Iron Gate Studio has stated in no uncertain terms that the transport of metal ores and metal ingots will never be part of its game.

Your idea to circumvent this by replacing a raw material used in the construction of a Stonecutter (iron bars) with a finished product which is neither designed or suitable for cutting stone (iron nails) is patently ridiculous.

As others have said, there are mods to Valheim which will allow a player to teleport with metal ores and ingots in his or her inventory. Use one of them. Or world-hop.

I love history, but we talk about a game here first. It is not even a history accurate game, that is.
I would love you to explain what you mean by:

Originally posted by warrenchmobile:

Iron Gate Studio has stated in no uncertain terms that the transport of metal ores and metal ingots will never be part of its game.

Last time I played Valheim, transporting metal ores and ingots without using a portal was a big part of what I did.

My idea is just questioning... was this metal and ore transport part of the gameplay also meant to prevent players ability to repair found stone structures as well or not. If it was just something that happened because of that mechanic then that is what I question.
If that was a design choice, trying to limit players further, so be it.

Also it would not need to be Iron Nails, I not even get why you are so hung up on specific terms of names for items... if they added some item that represents the whatever is needed past wood and stone to create a Stonecutter then it would serve as Iron Nails would right now.

And now you come again with the scapegoat "Mods". I try to be constructive... and all you can produce is talking about what is needed "in the real world"... and if I not like it "go and use mods".
Yeah I guess if I wanted to use mods why bother. Just grab the one that allows me to use Portals while carrying ores and ingots.

Anyway I am done pocking the trolls.

[ShadowReaper]

While your idea sounds good and all, the problem is that yes you are now becoming an overpowered builder because those "Broken Stone Buildings" could be dismantled for full stones which can easily be harvested en-masse with very little time.

Alternatively they could be repaired and rebuilt for a very easily defendable base in which the majority of enemies cannot assail. All without ever having to really build yourself.