Increased comfort radius at home.

[Anna]

It feels a bit silly to put 4 bathtubs at home just to make internal area equally comfortable. And with more items later on it will became even more complicated.

Several possible approaches.

• Increase comfort check radius inside and near fire.
  
• Touchable item inside house to get "At home" aura that increases check radius till player goes outside. Or even mead for the better immersion
  
• Relay item that expands comfort range check with it's own range. Something like regular 10m till the relay and 15m more around relay.

[hazelrah]

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"eat better food" is about as constructive as "git gud" or "use mods".

i believe i did answer your question. specifically, for me at least, farming is exactly the thing for which i find stamina drain obnoxiously tedious. i also suggest fixes (for example adjusting stamina drain by using the resting buff to better advantage) while addressing the OP ideas. and i thought i did so without being a sarcastic ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ to you, a courtesy it seems was not reciprocated.

think of it this way... it takes 5 stamina per seed planted. max stamina foods (blood pudding, bread and eyescream) gets you to 210 stamina. you can only plant 42 seeds before you've used up the entirety of that stamina pool. idk if you've ever been out gardening, (now this is the part where if i wanted to get even i'd say some insulting thing referencing your comment) but the actual planting seed in the ground isn't exactly the strenuous part.

anyway... Anna i totally agree the radius issue needs addressed.

I know that I am a "sarcastic ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥" but could you please provide us with a screen shot of the luxuriant crops growing inside your house?

wtf are you talking about?

[·ºSH13LDº·]

yeah the comfort radius does suck, i hide a maypole inside of a 1m cabinet so i don't have to see it. outside my house near my bed, because that is not where i'd put one but I want the comfort bonus when I sleep. can hide certain things inside walls looks nicer.

[PakaNoHida]

I'm just going to chime in and say, yes, please increase the radius of my beautiful comfort.

[warrenchmobile]

To rest, a viking must be within ten meters of a fire source (campfire, bonfire, hanging brazier, standing brazier, or hearth and must be either 1) sitting in the open air, or 2) standing or sitting under a roof. Under these circumstances, the hearth grants a comfort level of 2 when resting, the other fire sources a comfort level of 1.

Various furniture items may be placed within ten meters of the viking to raise the comfort level. These include tables, chairs, rugs, beds, banners, and other items. The individual item may or may not be under a roof; the viking must be under a roof.

If a viking is in the open air, the comfort radius of any piece of furniture is effectively zero. The piece of furniture cannot affect the viking's comfort level, regardless of whether its comfort radius is ten meters or ten kilometers.

One cannot achieve a rested comfort level higher than 2 unless one is under a roof. One cannot productively farm in Valheim under a roof which is why expanding furniture comfort radii will not help with farming unless the door to one's house is dozens of meters from one's primary resting area. Do you really need a house that big?

If one cannot stand the look of some piece or furniture one can hide it in a cabinet or tear up a section of floor, dig a hole big enough to place that furniture, and then rebuild the floor over it. I understand that many players find various aspects of Valheim limiting. I find some aspects limiting too. I don't think the solution is to complain on the Steam forum until Iron Gate Studio changes the game. I suspect they will not.

I believe Iron Gate Studio intends for players to succeed in Valheim by expending effort and (gasp, shudder!) thinking.

[vinyblaster]

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To rest, a viking must be within ten meters of a fire source (campfire, bonfire, hanging brazier, standing brazier, or hearth and must be either 1) sitting in the open air, or 2) standing or sitting under a roof. Under these circumstances, the hearth grants a comfort level of 2 when resting, the other fire sources a comfort level of 1.

Various furniture items may be placed within ten meters of the viking to raise the comfort level. These include tables, chairs, rugs, beds, banners, and other items. The individual item may or may not be under a roof; the viking must be under a roof.

If a viking is in the open air, the comfort radius of any piece of furniture is effectively zero. The piece of furniture cannot affect the viking's comfort level, regardless of whether its comfort radius is ten meters or ten kilometers.

One cannot achieve a rested comfort level higher than 2 unless one is under a roof. One cannot productively farm in Valheim under a roof which is why expanding furniture comfort radii will not help with farming unless the door to one's house is dozens of meters from one's primary resting area. Do you really need a house that big?

If one cannot stand the look of some piece or furniture one can hide it in a cabinet or tear up a section of floor, dig a hole big enough to place that furniture, and then rebuild the floor over it. I understand that many players find various aspects of Valheim limiting. I find some aspects limiting too. I don't think the solution is to complain on the Steam forum until Iron Gate Studio changes the game. I suspect they will not.

I believe Iron Gate Studio intends for players to succeed in Valheim by expending effort and (gasp, shudder!) thinking.

Why does this section of the forum exist then?

[warrenchmobile]

It exists for ideas that Iron Gate Studio did not consider and for suggesting alternative mechanics, not merely for watering down whatever is already in place.

Take the current comfort mechanic. In the first place, resting and therefore some level of comfort depends on having a fire source within a 10 meter radius. Ten meters is perfectly reasonable for the fire sources in the game. Any one who has spent any time outdoors with a campfire or bonfire of the size in the game can attest to the fact that very little warmth is generated at a longer distance. I am fairly sure that the majority of Swedes, be they rural or urban, would be well aware of this. I doubt Iron Gate Studio set the ten meter limit by rolling dice or some other random process.

Being indoors with the same type of fire source is not so different in the absence of some system to force air circulation. A forced air system that was not in existence until a few centuries after the Viking Age. What little difference there is between being outdoors or indoors with a Viking fire source is represented by the fact that a viking does not have to sit indoors to rest and the possibility of adding to the comfort level with furniture.

Vikings lacked the technology to extend the comfort radius of a fire source. How would a viking be able to extend the comfort radius of a stick of furniture, a comfort radius that is effectively 0 meters in the absence of a fire source? Arbitrarily extending the comfort radius of furniture is simply watering down a mechanic.

Lots of players have expressed a desire to have the comfort radius of furniture extended. None have suggested a method, available to vikings in the Viking Age, of doing so. If some had suggested such a method, there would be grounds for consideration.

[Nefrarya]

Hey folks,

expressing disagreement with an idea is fine, but please don't try to police what other people can and cannot ask for. Iron Gate will make the decision on what they can and want to implement, so please post your ideas regardless of that.

Thanks & have a good day!

[electricdawn]

These seems a bit too hard to understand for some, so let me make this a bit more clear:

In order to get a high rested bonus, we have to place completely arbitrary(!) items very close to another, that firstly, is not easy to achieve, and secondly, make the place look VERY cluttered and ugly.

All we want is to extend the radius of the items that make up our rested bonus, so we can place them at REASONABLE distances.

10 meter it ain't. 20 meter is more like it.

[warrenchmobile]

Sit or stand in the most comfortable spot in your home. Ask yourself this, how many of the items of furniture that make that spot comfortable are within ten meters and how many are more than ten meters away?

[electricdawn]

Quite a few. As I've written above, it's hard to place them such, as to not be either a complete eyesore or ending up too far away.

And I absolutely hate to "hide" stuff somewhere. The material costs of some of these (bathtub) is high, and the thing is really big, so I'm not gonna dig a massive hole in the floor to hide it, just so I can get a rested bonus, AND then I have to make another one outside of the 10m radius, so I can actually use it.

I know, first world problems. But this is a game, an entire first world problem. ;)

[vinyblaster]

I'm curious to see how long the circular conversation in this thread can go on...

[Mr B.]

To clarify, this has been requested many times, by myself as well.

[warrenchmobile]

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Sit or stand in the most comfortable spot in your home. Ask yourself this, how many of the items of furniture that make that spot comfortable are within ten meters and how many are more than ten meters away?

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Quite a few. As I've written above, it's hard to place them such, as to not be either a complete eyesore or ending up too far away.

And I absolutely hate to "hide" stuff somewhere. The material costs of some of these (bathtub) is high, and the thing is really big, so I'm not gonna dig a massive hole in the floor to hide it, just so I can get a rested bonus, AND then I have to make another one outside of the 10m radius, so I can actually use it.

I know, first world problems. But this is a game, an entire first world problem. ;)

We are speaking of different things. I meant your home in the real world, not your home in Valheim. I am currently sitting in my real world home and 95% of the objects that affect my comfort are within a 10-meter radius. I reside in a duplex. At least 25% of my closest neighbor's home is within a 10-meter radius. Of course, their furniture has no effect on my comfort, unless they decide to play their stereo or TV at 110 decibels.

I will grant that viking construction techniques are cruder than modern ones so a modern 10-meter radius probably contains more usable space than a viking 10-meter radius. I can see extending the comfort radius of objects a few meters, maybe even as much as 5 meters to offset this.

In my opinion, a 20-meter radius is going overboard. A radius larger than 20-meters is going overboard while carrying a smith's anvil.

The hot tub is a special case. It would make no sense to hide it under the floor as it only provides comfort when fueled. One would not only have to tear up the floor to place it, one would also have to tear up the floor every time it requires refueling. I don't have much practical experience with the hot tub in Valheim. In eighteen months, I have only built one. While I did fuel it, I never actually used it.

The hot tub does require fuel like the campfire, hearth, hanging brazier, and standing brazier but I am not sure if it counts as a source of warmth like those objects. I believe the smelter, charcoal kiln, blast furnace, and oven do count as sources of warmth but I do not know about the hot tub.

[electricdawn]

You can't even BEGIN to compare your home (and our apartment here in Germany is probably MUCH smaller than your home/house/whatever) to a game like Valheim.

For example, we live in a 60+ square meter apartment. About the same floor size in Valheim is - sit tight - 4x4 floor plates, equalling 64 sqm.

Now try to fit all your sh** in there. On ONE level, no burying, no shelves, no second floor.

Some stuff in Valheim is much bigger than it is in the real world and you can't move your character in tight spots, like you can do yourself in the real world, so you can't place stuff in Valheim, like you can in the real world. You have to place it much farther apart.

Comparisons real world to Valheim will fail, because they are absolutely not applicable.

One thing I don't understand is why you are so adamantly opposed to widen the range where you can place comfort items.

What's it to you? Why do you care?

[vinyblaster]

I can't believe we're now comparing 21st century apartments to Valheim builds to make a point. This thread just keeps on giving.