Valheim
Toasty 2022 年 3 月 3 日 上午 9:00
Spears are useless.
Buff the damn spears already.

There is literally no point in using them, stats wise, only like- if you used a flint spear in early game and you accumulated some skill with it, so you have some skill instead of learning a the sword skill from ground up when you craft your first sword.

Also the animation could be better, the overhead stab looks stupid in my opinion.
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Booba 2022 年 3 月 3 日 下午 12:51 
引用自 Boogily Woogily
..and it can be hard to land hits when fighting on uneven ground.
I mean, this is true of every melee weapon though. One of my biggest complaints with the game so far -maybe my only real complaint so far, is just how often I fail to hit a target because the game doesn't infer an attack arc based on where I'm looking, but based on where my character is standing.
引用自 Toasty
It was my understanding that the devs did indeed expect players to specialise in a certain form of damage, Pierce, Slash and so on.
I don't know. By definition, if you've got a variety of enemies who are immune or virtually immune to various damage channels, that's a discouragement of weapon-type specialization. It conflicts with the "use it to improve it" skill-leveling system but there it is. It doesn't matter how much sword-swinging you do, you're probably never going to kill Bonemass with a sword.
At least people agree with the animation looking bad, it really should use a sword stab animation...
I'm not a fan of the overhanded jab either.
Toasty 2022 年 3 月 3 日 下午 5:10 
引用自 Boogily Woogily
I used the spear almost exclusively from beginning to end - I used every type of spear in every tier all the way to Fang Spear. I think it's fine as is, but it does take some getting used to the advantages/disadvantages because they're more subtle.

The spear suffers from a lack of range - the standard attack is really short, and it can be hard to land hits when fighting on uneven ground. It's also weaker damage-wise per hit than other weapons, and lacks a combo.

However, the spear has a blazing fast attack speed, and I'm pretty sure it's the fastest weapon in the game. This makes it great for hit and run attacks, especially against multiple opponents - you can get one or two stabs in, then get away before the enemies surround you. With other weapons, you might get stuck in the attack animation for too long, leaving yourself open to attack.

The greatest advantage of the spear is that it's throwable! The throw is pretty fast to get off and it does 50% more damage. The range is pretty significant too. A favorite tactic of mine to finish off fulings is to bait their attack, step away and chuck the spear into their face, then run up and grab the spear - since I don't have anything in my hand, it auto equips and I'm back in the fight. It takes a lot of getting used to, especially figuring out exactly where to aim your spear (so you don't lose it).

I've found the best enemy to use a spear against are the leeches. They will come to the shore and rise up over the water which gives you an easy target to chuck a spear at. With a Fang Spear, it's possible to one-shot the leech altogether. Then you grab your spear and chuck it right into the next leech!

The spear is easy to use, but actually pretty hard to master and wield to it's full potential :)

Huh, that does sound like a decent way of using it. Never looked it that way. Thanks.
McScrandy 2022 年 3 月 3 日 下午 6:01 
ur just bad with spears. i beat the game using anceint spear, wolf fang spear, and frostner
Mjarr 2022 年 3 月 4 日 上午 3:57 
引用自 Toasty
It was my understanding that the devs did indeed expect players to specialise in a certain form of damage, Pierce, Slash and so on.

If I am intended to ditch the spear "past Meadows" then that changes things.

I understand that it is a cheaper option then the sword, but still, why even should one bother with it, i think it's almost a better option to upgrade a bronze sword then use a iron spear.

Sorry if it comes off as a pissy rant, but it was intended as a genuine question.

Is there even a real range advantage? I mean past the - how it may look, does the spear actually have a larger range then the sword? If so, then i'm somewhat satisfied.

At least people agree with the animation looking bad, it really should use a sword stab animation...

1. It's cheap in terms of resources. Need to do a corpse run in awkward spot but don't have proper armoury? You can easily make a spear and it probably won't affect your resources.
2. You can throw it. May not sound that special outside early game, but this means say, even in mountains - as long as you get drakes positioned so you never throw downhill or away from the mountain you're at - you can just wait them to stop, throw a spear, retrieve it (it falls roughly under where the drake stopped) and save a lot of arrows in general. Or swapping weapons. Imagine throwing a spear to a drake, retrieving it, then getting rid of wolf or two, then throwing the spear again to drake that stopped to spit at you. You can also use it in combination with parry to finish enemies off, or get a nice burst damage, fetch the spear and poke them into oblivion before they can even recover.
3. It has fast attacks that means by the time sword finishes its first swing, spear allows you to run, jump, roll, use chatcommands to taunt your enemies, swap weapons, open inventory and drink mead, throw stuff out of your inventory, use walk toggle to just inch away from incoming strike before toggling it off again or anything imaginable really without being stuck in recovery. This may not sound like a big deal but if you are surprised by that +1 enemy out of nowhere in bad spot, instead of getting staggered and stomped and hacked to pieces in an instant, you might be able to roll away, parry, or do whatever you want. You can also basically microsprint around loxes and poke them and essentially loop so they can never touch you. And if they do retaliate it is easy to avoid.

Only real issue spears have is the janky hitbox. It has more issues hitting on slopes compared to some other weapons so some practice™ or experience™ required than mashing that block into parry into trivialising the game into oblivion. It also may require tiny bit of practice to get the hang of how far it hits so you can predictively say, hit a wolf, parry\block\do whatever you want, and finish it off.
最後修改者:Mjarr; 2022 年 3 月 4 日 上午 3:59
Boogily Woogily 2022 年 3 月 4 日 上午 7:57 
I forgot to mention, another weakness of the spear is it has a narrow attack cone so it’s hard to hit more than one enemy if you are trying to do sweeping attacks against multiple enemies. It’s very much a “focus one guy” weapon.
Lucidess 2022 年 3 月 4 日 上午 9:20 
Spears do not suffer from any drawbacks if you are using it optimally, please don't make such ridiculous claims OP. If anything I would say Swords are the worst for being too expensive (100's of Iron for 1 UPGRADE is way too much), too niche (Why is there no Wooden Sword?), and the hitbox sucks ass on the stab. Better off making a Dagger.

Spears are the most inexpensive weapons to make.
Use Spear with a Tower Shield vs Wolves and you will notice how the shield knocks the enemy back in to an optimal position to throw Spear safely.
You can throw it point blank at any angle, which is better than any other weapon's hitbox.
The strongest spear can one shot Drakes, and the best throwers can retrieve the spear every time. Especially once you understand how to make it "bounce" off the enemy to make it come back to you, just requires proper aiming.
The spear's accuracy is always 100% unlike Bows.
最後修改者:Lucidess; 2022 年 3 月 4 日 上午 9:30
pipo.p 2022 年 3 月 4 日 上午 9:46 
引用自 Boogily Woogily
the spear is it has a narrow attack cone so it’s hard to hit more than one enemy if you are trying to do sweeping attacks against multiple enemies.
Yet, if you aim at between two enemies at range and quite close together (such as when dwarves gang up against you), then you hit two mobs at once.
PakaNoHida 2022 年 3 月 4 日 下午 5:12 
They make good fences. :D
domic 2022 年 3 月 5 日 下午 12:34 
Gotta say, if you've been away from the game a while, stabbing Neck with a spear can be an exercise in frustration. Just. Hit It. It's right there. Biting my ankles.

( takes out club )
CareBareBear 2022 年 3 月 5 日 下午 6:29 
The two things I would like changed with spears are that unlike swords, it should work better on slopes. The downward spear motion is really deceptive when you can't hit anything down a slope from you, even while they hit you.

The second thing is spear fishing. There should be spear fishing. As someone who had a heck of a time finding Haldor and only got two or three fish that managed to swim themselves onto shore for the longest time, it would be a handy way to get fish in shallow water before the rod.
ThreadMenace 2022 年 3 月 5 日 下午 9:15 
I looooove spears. I don't even craft a bow until mountains/plains. lvl 2-3 flint spear anniiiihilates greydwarves and trolls. i'll often go lvl 3-4 and use it as my primary into the mountains. the attack speed is so fast that if you parry you can get tons of huge attacks in on most things. If you do have a bow in the swamp you can sneak bow draugrs and finish with a quick spear throw. level 4 just one-shots draugrs if you've leveled the skill. great for killing leaches without endangering yourself, GREAT for clearing out swamp crypts when the enemies are partially behind scrap piles (throw, pick up, throw, pick up, throw...). Throwing a spear at a close enemy and then immediately picking it up and stabbing them while they're staggered is sooo satisfying.

When thrown, spears aggro everything within earshot, which, personally, I love. Even if spears did zero damage I would probably still craft one. I use this to my advantage all the time, whether it's to summon all the boars at a boar stone to attack me (i find incidental boars by throwing all the time, spear actually PROFITS me leather on day 1), pitting big groups of skeletons and greydwarves against each other, keeping a troll aggro'd on me so I can farm with it, summoning all the skeletons in a burial chamber to the front room so I can stagbreaker all of their faces at once.

you can pull the same bow/spear move to kill drakes fast (as long as you don't miss and throw your spear off a mountain). spear is great for killing birds for feathers, waaaay better than bow. ancient bark spear is great in the new mountain caves, it either staggers or one-shots ulvs and it's not terrible against cultists, depending on the situation.

pretty much the only place i don't like spears that much is the plains, although I might work on killing squitos with it next. the overhand is so fast and the throw is way faster than bow, and it doesn't cost ammunition.

you can pry my spear from my cold, dead hands. If they buff it i'll be unstoppable mwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

P.S. Spear skill also levels super fast. skip to 3:18 in this video and you'll see what I'm talking about https://youtu.be/gqivz-WLH2I

P.P.S. spears do indeed suck at killing necks XD
Dazzer 2022 年 3 月 6 日 上午 2:38 
I hope the next bio adds mobs that are more susceptible to spear attacks to bring this great weapon into the game. Spear and Shield ideally - Come on you Spartans.
blankitosonic (已封鎖) 2022 年 3 月 6 日 上午 8:28 
引用自 Dazzer
I hope the next bio adds mobs that are more susceptible to spear attacks to bring this great weapon into the game. Spear and Shield ideally - Come on you Spartans.
All plains mobs are weak or take normal damage from them ( pierce damage ) except boss that its almost inmune
warrenchmobile (已封鎖) 2022 年 3 月 6 日 上午 9:41 
"Spears are useless"

Such an odd thing for a Viking to say. Spears were the predominant melee weapon of actual Vikings because they are much cheaper to make than axes, swords, or maces. Most Vikings could not afford the metal required to equip themselves with axes, maces, or swords.

Yet Vikings were able to conquer native peoples and establish colonies in the British Isles, France, and Russia. Spears are not useless in the hands of people who know how to use them.

There are, of course, two major differences between historical Vikings and Valheim Vikings.

Actual Vikings only had to contend with animals like boar, wolves, and bears and their chief opponents, other people. Valheim Vikings face off with all sorts of mythical creatures.

Actual Vikings had to spend a lot of time and labor obtaining food from hunting, fishing and farming leaving limited time for mining metals and smithing. Valheim Vikings don't have to spend nearly as much time and labor to obtain food, leaving a lot of time and opportunity for mining and smithing.

All of the weapons and tools in Valheim are useless unless one takes the time to learn how to use them.
Lucidess 2022 年 3 月 6 日 上午 9:58 
引用自 Newbie
The two things I would like changed with spears are that unlike swords, it should work better on slopes. The downward spear motion is really deceptive when you can't hit anything down a slope from you, even while they hit you.

Every weapon has this problem though, you can't hit enemies on slopes, unless you are using a 2h hammer smash or something. Funny thing is, Spear can be thrown point blank on any angle, so really it's quite the opposite: Spears can attack at any angle, any slope, any time.
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