Hildir - Haldor Trader Thoughts

[SuperDave]

Maybe there was market research done to determine that Valhiem's players would prefer to grind for cosmetic gear or trophies and I respect that, but if that is not your thing than I feel like Hildir has nothing useful to motivate the player to find her or to run the mini bosses.

Haldor has the belt that increases carry weight which is a very motivating piece of equipment to search him out for. I was thinking since Hildir is all about fashion, perhaps she could offer a purse or backpack of sorts that added another row of item slots to your inventory.

Furthermore, perhaps Haldor could have some quest options also and if players find and do quests for both Haldor and Hildir, the meta completion could unlock yet another perk. Perhaps this could unlock ability to barter with any member of their race in the Mistlands for general goods or allow the player to be able to select and use 'any' of the boss abilities they've fought hard to earn without having to go back to the alter to do so.

[retsam1]

Originally posted by SuperDave:

Maybe there was market research done to determine that Valhiem's players would prefer to grind for cosmetic gear or trophies and I respect that, but if that is not your thing than I feel like Hildir has nothing useful to motivate the player to find her or to run the mini bosses.

Haldor has the belt that increases carry weight which is a very motivating piece of equipment to search him out for. I was thinking since Hildir is all about fashion, perhaps she could offer a purse or backpack of sorts that added another row of item slots to your inventory.

Furthermore, perhaps Haldor could have some quest options also and if players find and do quests for both Haldor and Hildir, the meta completion could unlock yet another perk. Perhaps this could unlock ability to barter with any member of their race in the Mistlands for general goods or allow the player to be able to select and use 'any' of the boss abilities they've fought hard to earn without having to go back to the alter to do so.

1. Haldor has components needed for crafting weapons later in the game as they unlock.
2. Haldor also sells chicken eggs for breeding chickens for their resources for cooking feathers etc... once you've killed Yagluth and progressed into the mistlands mind you(ie unlocked to purchase).

3. Hildir has quests, yes. While the 3 quests have 3(ie 9 total) spawn locations on a map, you only need to do one for each associated biome/type in order to fulfill the quests. Outside of the firepit, all else with Hilder is simply cosmetic/filler and of no required consequence from purchase with her. The quests can be 100% skipped if one so chooses and it has no effect on your play progression. Hildir isnt meant to be a primary game progression npc... for now...

4. Much else you've suggested is for the time being unlikely unless the devs decide to add to either of them as a filler like HIldir was or Icecaves before that between major biome updates/additions to the game.


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All in all, I'd say your wants do not necessarily match the reality of the devs intentions with the game's implementation.

That said, there's nothing stopping you from putting time, effort/consideration, into making your own unsupported mod for the purposes you desire....

[AbraCadaver]

yeah they both kinda suck rn (and lets be honest they always will) In fact, I dont think we need them at all. We get eggs and flesh that we cant get anywhere else...but why? Because...thats why. But this discussion board is not receptive of criticism whatsoever. I like all of your ideas tbh. How dare you have different ideas than the devs did. HOW DARE YOUUUUUU.

I especially like the thought of building up rep with the dwerger! We don't know why Haldor is away from the Mist unlike literally every other dwarf besides hildir, and, we may never know; so that COULD be a thing. Heaven forbid.
"mehhh early access you knew what you were getting into" "wahhh this game isnt for you then play something else"

[vinyblaster]

Haldor was already pretty stupid, it was clearly just an after thought for players to use their gold. Hildir is a whole different category of stupid. Literally brings nothing to the game. I do the side quests for fun, but she has nothing interesting to sell. And I won't even comment on the grill thing that can't go through portals. Ha ♥♥♥♥ it I'll comment: it's idiotic.

The irony is that they had a perfect opportunity to inject some good trading mechanics with the dwarfs in mistlands, but they didn't have the skills I guess.

[Frank Dunn]

Hildir's clothes would be more useful if we could wear clothing under armor and if there were dedicated inventory slots for clothes and armor. Maybe if Hildir sold jewelry too, but some good stuff that is really expensive.

[Zombits]

btw, you don't need to "search " for any traders. haldor is scripted to spawn only after boss 2, when you move a certain distance from map center. similar with hildir but further away

[RagnCharran]

Originally posted by Zombits:

btw, you don't need to "search " for any traders. haldor is scripted to spawn only after boss 2, when you move a certain distance from map center. similar with hildir but further away

Incorrect. Both can be found before defeating any bosses, but can only appear in certain seed dependent places, so searching is required if a player is not lucky enough to stumble across them through normal exploring.

[Nephturi]

Originally posted by Zombits:

btw, you don't need to "search " for any traders. haldor is scripted to spawn only after boss 2, when you move a certain distance from map center. similar with hildir but further away

That's not true at all. I found both of them before even killing Eikthyr on my current game (vanilla, no world modifiers.)

[vinyblaster]

Originally posted by Zombits:

btw, you don't need to "search " for any traders. haldor is scripted to spawn only after boss 2, when you move a certain distance from map center. similar with hildir but further away

The wrongest thing I've read on the internet today.

[Jbones]

it oiuld be nice if the clothes fit under the armor so you're basically wearing both at the same time (and not taking up storage space) and could quick swap out the armor so as soon as you get back to base you can walk around in casual attire and if you get raided you don't have to spend time putting armor back on

[Zombits]

Originally posted by vinyblaster:

Originally posted by Zombits:

btw, you don't need to "search " for any traders. haldor is scripted to spawn only after boss 2, when you move a certain distance from map center. similar with hildir but further away

The wrongest thing I've read on the internet today.

that can't be since I restarted world's 5 times at least, was always the same. might have been coincidence I found em after 2 Nd boss without ever having to search for em.

wiki said something similar regarding distance and 10 possible spawns every world. game is scripted to pick the one nearest to you when exploring. can't miss him

[retsam1]

Originally posted by Zombits:

Originally posted by vinyblaster:

The wrongest thing I've read on the internet today.

that can't be since I restarted world's 5 times at least, was always the same. might have been coincidence I found em after 2 Nd boss without ever having to search for em.

wiki said something similar regarding distance and 10 possible spawns every world. game is scripted to pick the one nearest to you when exploring. can't miss him

Someone tried to explain this so I'll try to also help explain this with more clarification per the two posts you've made regarding all this.

Each map seed has all spawn locations mapped out on generation of the map for your use.

This is why players can use this website to actually see where things can spawn on their map or search randomly on that site for a map that may have a combination of things that suit them:

https://valheim-map.world/

To then help illustrate the workings of hildir and haldor's spawn rule to you let's use this map see that you can input for yourself on the above website's search feature:

wzSqEhBs3i

Once you've done that, tick the box for "traders".

You and readers of course can note that then 10 spots for haldor and 10 spots for hildir will be listed on the map.

However, the caveat is that the FIRST haldor or hildir you come into map revealing distance of, will spawn those traders in those spots and prevent their spawning in any other spot on the map.

To that end, a player can thus have the -same- map seed but if they explore differently from someone else can have hildir and haldor spawn in different locations that the map seed sets.

Your original post stated "you dont need to search" you actually of course do within the explanation above's parameters.

So with your anecdotal account above of spawning 5 times and getting the trader in the same spot, that fits the rule I mentioned, if and only if you proceeded to explore in the same direction and pattern as all 5 times....

Additionally, you do not have to defeat any boss(as you said after boss 2) in order for the traders to spawn. They'll spawn per the rule I mentioned above. You erroneously stated to the contrary and was the second point of contention by others.


At this point, I think you can understand why people sought to point out the erroneous aspects of what you stated, hopefully.

[Zombits]

each game I played was a different seed. I mean.... you still don't need to search for him. since whatever direction you go will have 1 of the 10 hit your map . unless a player would stay too close from center.

[retsam1]

Originally posted by Zombits:

each game I played was a different seed. I mean.... you still don't need to search for him. since whatever direction you go will have 1 of the 10 hit your map . unless a player would stay too close from center.

Stating that "which every direction you go" that a trader will spawn is patently false. Not every direction will have the opportunity for there to be a trader to spawn.

This tells me you've not even looked at the maps on the website seed map generator to understand the fundamentals of what we've been trying to explain to you.

Also you stated previously " I restarted world's 5 times at least" (singular world 5 times REstarted) now you're saying 5 different worlds. Those are two different statements and not congruent. Keep in mind that also doesnt change the ruleset explanation for now the traders are seeded to the map as explained above.

But how about this:

1. Post each seed you wish to say you did xyz on.
2. Readers can then see for themselves or show you how your statements have discrepancies as outlined above.

At this point Im starting to question whether you're intentionally trying to be contrarian with all this though. Its a bit silly really.

[Zombits]

Originally posted by retsam1:

Originally posted by Zombits:

each game I played was a different seed. I mean.... you still don't need to search for him. since whatever direction you go will have 1 of the 10 hit your map . unless a player would stay too close from center.

Stating that "which every direction you go" that a trader will spawn is patently false. Not every direction will have the opportunity for there to be a trader to spawn.

This tells me you've not even looked at the maps on the website seed map generator to understand the fundamentals of what we've been trying to explain to you.

Also you stated previously " I restarted world's 5 times at least" (singular world 5 times REstarted) now you're saying 5 different worlds. Those are two different statements and not congruent. Keep in mind that also doesnt change the ruleset explanation for now the traders are seeded to the map as explained above.

But how about this:

1. Post each seed you wish to say you did xyz on.
2. Readers can then see for themselves or show you how your statements have discrepancies as outlined above.

At this point Im starting to question whether you're intentionally trying to be contrarian with all this though. Its a bit silly really.

I have 600 hrs+ on the game. many restarts on world's. it's always a new random seed.never had to search for merchants. stumbled on haldor while searching for a swamp randomly every time. you don't have to be CLOSE for his icon to hit your map with M. . wiki confirmed my thoughts.
which part do you not understand. lol

you cannot miss him . could be it appears more easily after other conditions satisfied

[Oakshield]

Originally posted by Zombits:

Originally posted by retsam1:

Stating that "which every direction you go" that a trader will spawn is patently false. Not every direction will have the opportunity for there to be a trader to spawn.

This tells me you've not even looked at the maps on the website seed map generator to understand the fundamentals of what we've been trying to explain to you.

Also you stated previously " I restarted world's 5 times at least" (singular world 5 times REstarted) now you're saying 5 different worlds. Those are two different statements and not congruent. Keep in mind that also doesnt change the ruleset explanation for now the traders are seeded to the map as explained above.

But how about this:

1. Post each seed you wish to say you did xyz on.
2. Readers can then see for themselves or show you how your statements have discrepancies as outlined above.

At this point Im starting to question whether you're intentionally trying to be contrarian with all this though. Its a bit silly really.

I have 600 hrs+ on the game. many restarts on world's. it's always a new random seed.never had to search for merchants. stumbled on haldor while searching for a swamp randomly every time. you don't have to be CLOSE for his icon to hit your map with M. . wiki confirmed my thoughts.
which part do you not understand. lol

you cannot miss him . could be it appears more easily after other conditions satisfied

Right and there you go.

You stumbled on Haldor because you were searching for a swamp.

Which probably means you didn't look for him before defeating the Elder, but rather ignored Haldor and instead decided to fight The Elder and wait for sheer luck to help you finding him.

In my current game I've found Haldor even before defeating the Elder. I'm pretty certain I'm even able to find him at another map before even defeating Eikthyr, because - as stated previously by others - the locations are fixed. Which means, if you have the knowledge of the map's setup you will be able to locate one of those 10 spots easily. No matter how many bosses you have(n't) defeated. And the same goes for Hildir, I'm sure it's possible to find her before you've defeated Eikthyr as well. Because, just as her brother she's at fixed locations of which one becomes active the moment you enter a certain range.

@vinyblaster
Just wait until you meet their brother, a guard you need to pay off with lots of gold to pass the door into a safe trading zone. I heard they plan to name him Hodor........


Thorin