So finishing Mistlands gear requires visit to ashlands.

[NutcasE]

Just a slight complaint about requiring to go to Ashlands to fully upgrade the Mistlands gear, Just because I am a prepper. I will fully upgrade stuff before facing the boss of the area. I waited patiently for the upgrade tools to be added. Then I learned that the level 4 table requires ore from Ashlands. I thougth "thats odd." and navigated down under to ashlands to discover boiling water. Well Obviously I didn't think "I need to beat the queen to get items to get over this boiling water" Instead I thought "Challenge accepted" so Instead of going to beat the queen because again I always prep armor fully to beat the boss.

So instead I took Moder's power. Health potions and full speed ahoy sailed to the closest Ashlands land from the non boiling water. after the boat broke barely avoiding the attack from the new seamonster in the area. I got to the spikes and with the Mistlands cape I just Climbed on top and glided to the next spike until I got close enough to survive the boiling water to the actual land. Where I made a quick discovery that "huh Mistlands level 3 gear suffices rather well here" then I built a small secure structure to hold a portal. then I started the FOB business and got the ore required to upgrade the forge so I can finish my mistland set. Thats when my dusted brain started to get going and I figured out "Why would I finish the mistland armor when I could just get the Ashlands armor now and it's by default on par or better than Mistland at max" and so I made the mistland armor and beat the queen.

Like I said I have no issue I had to go through that it was actually fun. but My issue here is that Mistland gear feels like an afterthought now. Since it's upgrading is split between two areas. even moreso considering that the level 3 Mistland gear will last really well in ashlands Making it a bygone clonclusion that you should just go straight for Ashlands gear.

[Fleshling]

You need obsidian from the mountains to get Troll Armor to Rank 4, even though it is a "Black Forest" armor, so this isn't a new thing.

When you first get flametal, you will likely be using it to make cauldron upgrades and workstation upgrades as opposed to armor. Since the Carapace armor is leveled up with refined eitr and carapace it gives you a temporary upgrade using materials you likely have in abundance while you build up you flametal supply.

[NutcasE]

Originally posted by Fleshling:

You need obsidian from the mountains to get Troll Armor to Rank 4, even though it is a "Black Forest" armor, so this isn't a new thing.

When you first get flametal, you will likely be using it to make cauldron upgrades and workstation upgrades as opposed to armor. Since the Carapace armor is leveled up with refined eitr and carapace it gives you a temporary upgrade using materials you likely have in abundance while you build up you flametal supply.

I'm not saying it's an issue. but as a prepping player I always took the heavy of the area and finished it for the boss. and I stack up on supplies even if they might not be needed incase one of my buddies needs some if they lose their gear to some abyss. I understand the system but it just feels odd. Again not an issue to me. I got around with it just fine. But just feels odd.

[Cattastrafy]

Yeah, nothing new. Troll hide armor is a great example as listed above. Same with regular leather armor without the adze (troll mining exploit aside).

Lvl 3 carapace armor by definition IS the max lvl mistlands armor. Lvl 4 is Ashlands tier (although pretty pointless when you can just use the metal to make the new armor imo.

[OctoberSky]

Likewise level 4 bronze needs an iron derived crafting supplement for the forge. Swamp, Mountain and Plains can go all in but Meadows, Black Forest, Mistlands and - perhaps - Ashlands needs a visit to the next biome. Deep North? Unless there is another biome after that or its armor choices are capped at 2 or 3 ....

[Exodite-Dragon]

During the course of normal play (ie, not sequence breaking into later biomes), as other posters have pointed out, you are restricted from upgrading available armors and weapons to max level in many cases because workstation upgrades require components found further on in progression.

I am not sure if the method by which all of the Forge upgrades are acquired will change come 1.0 release, and thus stagger access to upgrade level 4 for iron/wolf/padded armor in the future, or if things will always remain as they are now, but sufficed to say there is existing precedent from the very beginning of the game that you won't necessarily have the final level of upgrade available for your gear before proceeding to another biome.

[NutcasE]

Originally posted by Exodite-Dragon:

During the course of normal play (ie, not sequence breaking into later biomes), as other posters have pointed out, you are restricted from upgrading available armors and weapons to max level in many cases because workstation upgrades require components found further on in progression.

I am not sure if the method by which all of the Forge upgrades are acquired will change come 1.0 release, and thus stagger access to upgrade level 4 for iron/wolf/padded armor in the future, or if things will always remain as they are now, but sufficed to say there is existing precedent from the very beginning of the game that you won't necessarily have the final level of upgrade available for your gear before proceeding to another biome.

Regarding this, pre-mistlands. only biomes that require venturing to harder biomes are Black Forest, Mistlands and Meadows(it's really funny that you need to reach all the way to mountains to finish upgrading leather armor) But basicly Swamp, Mountains and Plains dont require you to to go the next biome(the last 3 before mistlands which is probably why I found it odd mistlands broke the formula.)

[Mharr]

Now I'm wondering if there are seeds where you can catapult ramp a regular boat onto the Ashlands.

[Zethell]

I would say that finishing gear is rank 3.
Rank 4 is just bonus, think of it as upgrading your old Mistlands gear one more time if you're having a really hard time in Ashlands and getting the new sets.

[NutcasE]

Originally posted by Letozeth:

I would say that finishing gear is rank 3.
Rank 4 is just bonus, think of it as upgrading your old Mistlands gear one more time if you're having a really hard time in Ashlands and getting the new sets.

I would agree but Mistlands rank 3 gear handles itself REALLY well in Ashlands. and Even now at Rank 3 Ashlands gear It doesnt really give you much better durability against the onslaught, maybe few more times to fail a parry. I suppose if you really like the Mistlands heavy armor you could make it 4 and keep it.

[Soma]

Originally posted by Mharr:

Now I'm wondering if there are seeds where you can catapult ramp a regular boat onto the Ashlands.

I have never tried catapulting a boat but I have found multiple seeds you can catapult your character from bordering mountains into Ashlands. If you want the seeds let me know and I will post here.

I also found a few where in the far east or west there are biomes (always seems to be black forest) that are about 50 yards from edge of map.

[OctoberSky]

Originally posted by NutcasE:

I would agree but Mistlands rank 3 gear handles itself REALLY well in Ashlands. and Even now at Rank 3 Ashlands gear It doesnt really give you much better durability against the onslaught, maybe few more times to fail a parry. I suppose if you really like the Mistlands heavy armor you could make it 4 and keep it.

I did like the extra time that the Ashlands flametal set gives you when stepping on those - sometimes invisible - lava pools that seem to be everywhere. I'm always maxing my armor and when the metal cutter made level 4 carapace possible I probably wasted the materials to do so. Only used it for one fortress assault before switching to flametal but with my poor combat skills I could use all the help I can get.

[NutcasE]

Originally posted by OctoberSky:

Originally posted by NutcasE:

I would agree but Mistlands rank 3 gear handles itself REALLY well in Ashlands. and Even now at Rank 3 Ashlands gear It doesnt really give you much better durability against the onslaught, maybe few more times to fail a parry. I suppose if you really like the Mistlands heavy armor you could make it 4 and keep it.

I did like the extra time that the Ashlands flametal set gives you when stepping on those - sometimes invisible - lava pools that seem to be everywhere. I'm always maxing my armor and when the metal cutter made level 4 carapace possible I probably wasted the materials to do so. Only used it for one fortress assault before switching to flametal but with my poor combat skills I could use all the help I can get.

Yeah Ashlands does allow you to walk over the burning pieces of ground. Got me good on my first run.

[Zombits]

That you managed to build a base in ashlands first attempt, without death is nice .

And yeah we can glide from spire to spire with feather cape , not much swimming

[NutcasE]

Originally posted by Zombits:

That you managed to build a base in ashlands first attempt, without death is nice .

And yeah we can glide from spire to spire with feather cape , not much swimming

I wouldnt call it a base. More like hidden spot where to build a portal. which I would then re-inforce after I got my bearings. and it took alot of "self-termination" runs to succeed. But I didn't mind. The Karve and Longship actually take the boiling water with stride. But Karve's issue was the new seamonster. the armed and dangerous Bonemaw, who makes quick work just about any ship if you dont take it down first. But if you managed to avoid it. It was really much more managable after that.