The hoe change ruined this game

[Lama]

The hoe is expensive and finicky to use and barely functions.

When this game first released the base building was great but then they made a terrain update to improve performance and it now makes the part of this game you will likely spend most of your time on the base building which was once super fun one of the most painful experiences ive had in a video game.

Before using the hoe you could easily transform and level areas and it was very intuitive and fun. Now when i try to level a area it barely changes anything and makes making even land impossible.

The devs removed the old system due to performance issues but after the update performance didn't seem to change at all.

I know the old system allowed for making impenetrable walls which trivializes raids but even if everyone abused it at least base building was enjoyable. Now it takes 10x longer to build anything as your constantly fighting with the hoe and the terrain and is way more limiting.

Me and everyone I know quit this game because of the terrain changes as it ruined the experience completely. The devs are using too much time adding more content like biomes and such when they should be fixing the core of this game which is unfinished.

Soory if I wasn't clear with the post I have updated it to try to better explain what I mean.

[Mharr]

... why do people keep yelling about grind and building UI when the update to fix those exact things is in public test and due to land in the next couple weeks?

Anyways just build stone foundations or an elevated wooden frame or build into the terrain in tiered levels or use a big tree or obelisk as foundation for a tower or or or

[Lama]

Originally posted by Mharr:

... why do people keep yelling about grind and building UI when the update to fix those exact things is in public test and due to land in the next couple weeks?

Anyways just build stone foundations or an elevated wooden frame or build into the terrain in tiered levels or use a big tree or obelisk as foundation for a tower or or or

good point just looked into the beta updates will update the discussion

[Lama]

Originally posted by Mharr:

... why do people keep yelling about grind and building UI when the update to fix those exact things is in public test and due to land in the next couple weeks?

Anyways just build stone foundations or an elevated wooden frame or build into the terrain in tiered levels or use a big tree or obelisk as foundation for a tower or or or

Using a tree as a foundation is a good idea but the reason it's an issue is it's limiting especially for big bases and it's just nice to build on flat land plus it looks nicer. I also think that putting the house on stilts is ugly.

[starlight78sso]

I just use a mod that helps level out a larger area. I just leveled a huge area with it, and am currently working to build my base.

https://www.nexusmods.com/valheim/mods/1125

[chewer]

OP, could you maybe clarify a bit what exactly the issue is with the hoe? I don't mean this question aggressive or anything. From your post, I understand that you don't like the (current) hoe (or hoe mechanics), but I don't understand why you don't like the hoe. Thanks!

[76561198097107304]

I dont understand either......Whats with the hoe?

[Mharr]

I assume they're missing the makeshift mechanics where you could raise a column of earth then level a huge area from the top of it almost for free. But yeah, just mod it if you want a big flat Minecraft zone to build on. It'll be cheaper in terms of terrain edits.

As to raised frames being ugly, you don't have to leave them that way. Surround the exposed legs with a combination of stone, staircases and raised earth. To my eye that's far more attractive than perfectly flat terraforming because it's less obviously a digital artefact of videogame space.

[@xaker89]

Look for relatively flat open areas and build there, it's very easy to level already almost leveled area.

[FissionChips]

I'm not aware of any changes to the hoe (ever) or what OPs problem with it is. Sorry OP but you failed to explain.. anything.

Edit: wait I did catch one point: apparently the devs aren't fixing core issues like they terrain problem they fixed. This is contradictory, and makes me further question what OP thinks the problem is.

[Lama]

Originally posted by starlight78sso:

I just use a mod that helps level out a larger area. I just leveled a huge area with it, and am currently working to build my base.

https://www.nexusmods.com/valheim/mods/1125

I've tried using plan build but didnt know it had such a feature ill look further into it

[Lama]

Originally posted by @xaker89:

Look for relatively flat open areas and build there, it's very easy to level already almost leveled area.

even with seemingly flat areas the hoe is finicky to use i try leveling the ground but it just doesnt seem to change

[Lama]

Originally posted by Mharr:

I assume they're missing the makeshift mechanics where you could raise a column of earth then level a huge area from the top of it almost for free. But yeah, just mod it if you want a big flat Minecraft zone to build on. It'll be cheaper in terms of terrain edits.

As to raised frames being ugly, you don't have to leave them that way. Surround the exposed legs with a combination of stone, staircases and raised earth. To my eye that's far more attractive than perfectly flat terraforming because it's less obviously a digital artefact of videogame space.

yeah I am referring to that, also good advice but in terms of it looking out of place it only did if you made dirt walls or made a elevated square dirt base. Also in terms of mods they constantly break and I don't think mods should be required for your game to feel fun.

Also no modded solution I've found works as well as the hoe used to.

[starlight78sso]

Originally posted by Lama:

Originally posted by starlight78sso:

I just use a mod that helps level out a larger area. I just leveled a huge area with it, and am currently working to build my base.

https://www.nexusmods.com/valheim/mods/1125

I've tried using plan build but didnt know it had such a feature ill look further into it

Yep, just make the Blueprint rune, equip it, right click like you would for any build menu, go to tools, then the flatten terrain tool (on mine it is the second to last one just before the paint brush one)

[Tomoko]

"The hoe is expensive" Do you mean the cultivator?

[chewer]

Originally posted by Tomoko:

"The hoe is expensive" Do you mean the cultivator?

I think they mean "using the hoe" is expensive, as in to raise ground you need quite a lot of stone ...