Caution on using devcommands

[OctoberSky]

I was a little shocked to see that 2 of my 6 play-through characters had been marked as cheaters in their respective seed worlds. Using F5 and stats will reveal if your own character has been marked similar. Since I could not recall ever using cheat style commands in these characters I did a little more parsing of their respective character files and saw that at some point I had used freefly. I then recalled that I had indeed used this in order to get clear screen shots for a guide I had been working on. However, I can see that a less innocent use of freefly would be to gather some drone style reconnaissance on a combat area, especially within a dungeon. Innocent or no, I secretly fear that these characters will be blocked from finishing the endgame by this cheater tag.

Munin: raaak, you are a servant of Loki, not Odin! To Hel with you warrior!

Or, maybe not.

[Sunny]

the dev commands used to be accessed by typing something along the lines of 'Iamacheater' until people threw absolute toddler fits about having to type that

not surprised

[electricdawn]

I'm pretty sure all of my characters are labeled "cheater", even though I use devcommands only sparsely and certainly not to make progress easier.

Oh, well. I can live with that, I guess. ;)

[Soma]

I do not think devs would block being able to finish the game based on the Cheater! tag...... but, I can see an acheivment of "Complete game without cheating" So lets say there are 50 acheivments and you are a completionist (like me) then you would have to do a run without cheating to get that last one.

Also they would have to reconsider some world modifiers since those do not add the cheater tag but can be exploited. Currently you can turn enemy aggression/portal everything/raids on and off with the console and it is not considered a "cheat" (setkey passivemobs for example) but in my opinion it should be. So maybe that last acheivment would be "Complete game on normal without cheats"

I think the most abusive use of "fly" would be dying half a map away with no portal and just flying high to traverse oceans/enemies until you get close to your body and build a portal before attempting its recovery.

Crossing my fingers for an actual foto mode that seperates the camara from the player since devs put so much energy into building mechanics and atmosphere this game just begs you to share screen shots. The camara can have a limit of distance from player so it could not be used for "scouting"

P.S. Another route (and probably the most "brutal") would be that acheivments would only be available on normal but that might piss a lot folks off by not letting casual players participate in acheivments at all. On the flip side they might take it another step farther and really stick it to the completionists by having an acheivment that you have to finish game on hardcore LOL

P.S.S Love your guides OctoberSky!

[blprice61]

If you are really worried about it, you could create an alternate character, and a new world (casual mode, no build cost, no raids, etc). Build a trading & training center just north of spawn (easy to find). Use the alternate character to devcommand in whatever things you want, place in chests, relog to that world with your main char, get whatever and relog back to main world.

You can also log the alternate character into your main world and do whatever devcommands you want.

Basically you can cheat as much as you desire and leave your main character nice and pristine with no 'cheater' tag.

I'd advise either not going this route or using it only for things that you have to do to remove parts of the game you don't find fun and absolutely can't force yourself to slog on through.

[OctoberSky]

Editing the .fch to remove the offending logic is not difficult. The point of the post is to advise players to be aware that any use of devcommands even for something perceived as not cheating may have unforseen consequences. But, to be fair, the console did warn me and like the knucklehead that I am I ignored their warning

[The Big Brzezinski]

Odin would do well to remember just who actually owns the computer Valheim lives on. And the just how many mods they have access to.

If the devs want to shame you for defining your own experience, that says more of them than it does of you.

[Exodite-Dragon]

I wouldn't be surprised if IG opted to disable achievement unlocks if the console is opened during a play session, and/or mods are detected. IIRC, Bethesda went that route for their Fallout games, but I seem to recall there being a method of re-enabling achievements regardless.

How many mods a given player considers necessary will ultimately depend on how good of a job IG does with any QoL patches following Deep North's release - assuming, of course, IG winds up deciding to do any kind of top-down pass-over on Valheim following the final biome. AFAIK they plan to wash their hands of the game and aren't looking to do any kind of long-term patch maintenance after Deep North.

[blprice61]

I would be surprised if the day after they disabled achievements for x if some modder didn't release a mod to reenable. They did not write a game engine, they are using Unity, there's really not much they can do.

[Exodite-Dragon]

Originally posted by blprice61:

I would be surprised if the day after they disabled achievements for x if some modder didn't release a mod to reenable. They did not write a game engine, they are using Unity, there's really not much they can do.

I wouldn't be surprised either. I'm holding out on the (potentially misplaced) optimism that IG will add in some long-requested QoL features following Deep North, but if such doesn't come down the pipeline, then a-modding we will go, achievement lockouts notwithstanding.

[Lucidess]

None of this matters until you decide to play online, from there you should be respecting the host's rules and decisions for the server, if any.

It's funny that they call it cheating, and that it's seen as offensive. Relax everybody.

[sibbs]

Originally posted by blprice61:

I would be surprised if the day after they disabled achievements for x if some modder didn't release a mod to reenable. They did not write a game engine, they are using Unity, there's really not much they can do.

So those that have already cheated in Valheim now await for a modder to make a cheat to bypass the cheat already used .... lmao, so called gamers of today with no morales.

[Exodite-Dragon]

Originally posted by sibbs:

Originally posted by blprice61:

I would be surprised if the day after they disabled achievements for x if some modder didn't release a mod to reenable. They did not write a game engine, they are using Unity, there's really not much they can do.

So those that have already cheated in Valheim now await for a modder to make a cheat to bypass the cheat already used .... lmao, so called gamers of today with no morales.

Yeah, man, I'm really sure St. Michael is standing at the pearly gates kicking folks who used a free-fly camera for screenshots down into gamer hell.

Get a grip, please. It's a video game.

[luponix]

Originally posted by sibbs:

Originally posted by blprice61:

I would be surprised if the day after they disabled achievements for x if some modder didn't release a mod to reenable. They did not write a game engine, they are using Unity, there's really not much they can do.

So those that have already cheated in Valheim now await for a modder to make a cheat to bypass the cheat already used .... lmao, so called gamers of today with no morales.

dumb take. calling people that use devcommands cheaters is a very narrow view. there are a lot of people that do not play this game for its survival aspect or the gameplay loop that the developers intended

people that focus solely on building be it the survival way or to explore the limits of what can be built with otherwise impossible ressources or spots.
there are people that are most interested in the rp/community aspects and then there is the huge world of mods that allows to enhance/develop whatever niche aspect of the game there is further.

we may have all started with the standard gameplay loop but it does not carry more value than whatever way people end up choosing to play.

that is the reason why having the "iamacheater" phrase instead of devcommands only showed a lack of understanding.

and if the devs tried to enforce their authority you would see mods pop up within hours dismantling it.
games are a platform to be explored and not an interactive movie.
minecraft, gta5 are great examples for this.
there is no harm being done either given that there are no official servers but just self organized groups or singleplayer.
a bunch of people seem to carry an illplaced superiority boner for playing the vanilla way.

[NiteAtom]

Originally posted by OctoberSky:

I was a little shocked to see that 2 of my 6 play-through characters had been marked as cheaters in their respective seed worlds. Using F5 and stats will reveal if your own character has been marked similar. Since I could not recall ever using cheat style commands in these characters I did a little more parsing of their respective character files and saw that at some point I had used freefly. I then recalled that I had indeed used this in order to get clear screen shots for a guide I had been working on. However, I can see that a less innocent use of freefly would be to gather some drone style reconnaissance on a combat area, especially within a dungeon. Innocent or no, I secretly fear that these characters will be blocked from finishing the endgame by this cheater tag.

Munin: raaak, you are a servant of Loki, not Odin! To Hel with you warrior!

Or, maybe not.

Yes if you use Dev Commands on a live server Save.. it will cause you to get your character locked.. but in a Single-player save the Dev Commands are free to use.. i have never seen any of my character seeds marked as cheater.. and i use Dev Commands 100% of the time im playing..but in my case i don't play on a liver server.. only single-player..

[Napalm]

Why, even if your toon is "marked", it is only a toon, not the whole map. There is no "leveling" in Valheim, you can always create a new "clean" toon and log in your old world, keeping the equipment and portals.