What's up with the Elder's Forsaken Power?

[Kaii]

Eikthyr's power of reducing stamina usage for Running and Jumping by 60% is extremely good early-game when you have little stamina. So why is The Elder's power, increasing damage by 60% to trees, well, that? Trees aren't exactly slow to cut down, and following that is Bonemass, who gives resistance to Blunt, Slash and Pierce damage, which makes melee fights a joke.

I feel like The Elder's power would be better if it was a buff to chop damage itself instead of tree damage, that way it'd stay competitive against other Forsaken powers as something you can take to dish out more damage with an axe to enemies, whilst remaining logical as something relevant to an ent.

[Suzaku]

Wait until you reach Yagluth, or The Queen. They get even less useful.

[Draconis]

I found one (and only one) scenario for the Elder's power:

If you want to chop oaks with a bronze axe. That's actually the moment it makes a difference.

Given the fact that you might need a lot of finewood for the iron age, it might make sense. At least a little bit.

The Queen's power isn't that useless. It comes handy in two situations:
- If you need an eitr boost (mages)
- Mining flametal pillars (less strikes -> less chance that they start sinking)

But I still haven't found a good use for yagluth. We have mead for fire resistance, capes for frost resistance and almost nothing does lightning damage.

[Exodite-Dragon]

I can't help but wonder if they thought people would be more likely to raid dvergr settlements directly in the Mistlands and felt Yagluth's resistances would prove a useful boon, and wound up underestimating players' reluctance to attack the first friendly faction encountered all game - as well as players' ingenuity in obtaining items from those same settlements through more indirect methods.

[brianloveslisa]

Originally posted by Draconis:

I found one (and only one) scenario for the Elder's power:

If you want to chop oaks with a bronze axe. That's actually the moment it makes a difference.

Given the fact that you might need a lot of finewood for the iron age, it might make sense. At least a little bit.

The Queen's power isn't that useless. It comes handy in two situations:
- If you need an eitr boost (mages)
- Mining flametal pillars (less strikes -> less chance that they start sinking)

But I still haven't found a good use for yagluth. We have mead for fire resistance, capes for frost resistance and almost nothing does lightning damage.

:D Yagluth uses lightning damage.

[jonnin]

the tree chopping is a poor bonus and should be replaced by 1.0 release. Its probably no priority at all but its terrible -- you can clear more wood faster by summon the elder again than by using his buff. What would make sense? How about crafted foods give 3 units per click for 5 min... :)

[Lacrimosa]

Yeah, it's definitely most useless power of all. At least with Yagluth power you can run around without potion (sometimes that one slot in inventory makes difference). But the Elder power is a joke

[Humpenstilzchen]

Chop damage only applies to trees. If you hit an enemy with an axe it counts as slash damage.

I do agree though that this forsaken power is pretty useless. I never saw a reason to use it even a single time.

[knighttemplar1960]

After I kill the elder I hang up his trophy and select that power. Then I go back and use it to chop up all the downed trees and stack the logs on the altar, then I use my cultivator to plant a bunch of trees, then switch back to Eikthyr's power. When I need more wood I portal to the altar and grab some. When it runs out I summon the Elder again and repeat (much easier with better weapons later on).

After that I keep Bonemass with an occasional switch to Moder if I'm going to be doing a lot of sailing. When I'm done sailing I switch back to Bonemass.

[Despiser]

Yeah no one ever uses the tree chopping power. Powers should be rebalanced. As it is, bonemass is by far the most useful.

[BIT Bear]

Bonemass and Moder are pretty much the only ones I use.

I might use the Fader power once Deep North comes out and I need to move resources from our old world to a new one but that's it.

[Ashley]

It's not bad? You need a ton of wood/fine wood in this game for base building and progression. You don't need to be camping bonemass/elkyr or whatever his name is 24/7. I don't need bonemass power when im sitting in meadows woodchopping.

If you've ever made a big project in valheim you'll know the 5 minutes of woodcutting buff won't even get you everything you need. All the bosses powers have their uses. You simply don't know when to you them or to think to use them. If you're not using your ability on cooldown it's being wasted. So i'll use it when woodcutting. I'm not running around in Mistlands or Ashlands with woodcutting ability lol.

[knighttemplar1960]

Originally posted by Ashley:

It's not bad? You need a ton of wood/fine wood in this game for base building and progression. You don't need to be camping bonemass/elkyr or whatever his name is 24/7. I don't need bonemass power when im sitting in meadows woodchopping.

If you've ever made a big project in valheim you'll know the 5 minutes of woodcutting buff won't even get you everything you need. All the bosses powers have their uses. You simply don't know when to you them or to think to use them. If you're not using your ability on cooldown it's being wasted. So i'll use it when woodcutting. I'm not running around in Mistlands or Ashlands with woodcutting ability lol.

You don't "need" any of the forsaken powers. The question is which one is the most useful the most often. The answer is Bonemass with Eikthyr in second place. The rest of them are pretty situational. If you set up a portal just outside the trophy stones switching forsaken powers takes less than a minute.

When you get a black metal axe you chop trees and logs just as fast as if you were using a lower tier axe and the Elder power. Once you get it down to a single swing to cut down a tree or chop a log the Elder power is no longer useful.

[Despiser]

Originally posted by Ashley:

It's not bad? You need a ton of wood/fine wood in this game for base building and progression. You don't need to be camping bonemass/elkyr or whatever his name is 24/7. I don't need bonemass power when im sitting in meadows woodchopping.

If you've ever made a big project in valheim you'll know the 5 minutes of woodcutting buff won't even get you everything you need. All the bosses powers have their uses. You simply don't know when to you them or to think to use them. If you're not using your ability on cooldown it's being wasted. So i'll use it when woodcutting. I'm not running around in Mistlands or Ashlands with woodcutting ability lol.

Some of my best friends are trees. I've known them since they were nut and acorn.

[Dante]

I believe the idea is that you kinda build something tiny at first, then kind of expand it when you get bronze and once you got rid of Elder, you decide to build something legit since you need the room for all the things. The power is supposed to help with that.

Well, that's the idea anyway, in reality, even though I usually end up doing exactly that, I just.. don't bother with the power (mostly because I completely forget about it).

[jonnin]

Originally posted by Ashley:

It's not bad? You need a ton of wood/fine wood in this game for base building and progression. You don't need to be camping bonemass/elkyr or whatever his name is 24/7. I don't need bonemass power when im sitting in meadows woodchopping.

If you've ever made a big project in valheim you'll know the 5 minutes of woodcutting buff won't even get you everything you need. All the bosses powers have their uses. You simply don't know when to you them or to think to use them. If you're not using your ability on cooldown it's being wasted. So i'll use it when woodcutting. I'm not running around in Mistlands or Ashlands with woodcutting ability lol.

bad is the wrong word. Its useless after you have the iron axe or better. All the other powers are useful if you have done everything in the game and are just waiting on the next update, even the first one where you run. But not this one ... a black metal axe, stamina food, and ready to go at it can fill your bag with more wood than you can carry faster than you can hoof it back to your base, then portal out to the talking heads and swap powers.