Troll raids changed rules?

[Vincitore Becchi]

As far as I know troll raids are activated by two conditions:
Elder defeated and at least one troll died in that world...
Wiki and my whole game experience confirms this...

Today for the first time ever a random troll raid in swamps happened in a "utility" world with not even Eikthyr defeated, i am sure "player based raids" modifier is turned off, and ever been, "raids" is set to normal. Many trolls have been killed in this world but it's half the requirement.

Plus, it was in the swamps at a portal site: only 2 base structures, the portal and a workbench, wasn't it supposed to be 3 of them to trigger raids?

Very strange, the only thing that comes to my mind is i once used a "love potion" to test it, so..
Did something change about raids with last updates? did anyone notice something odd like this? maybe love potions have a hidden "raid activation" effect? maybe a modified "ground is shaking", but with "you are being hunted" activation rules?

I am confusion!
Ameriga exblain!

[Veseljko]

Yeah, i would also like to know if something has changed with trolls raid recently.

We experienced the same on my server a few days ago. We killed Eikthyr, a lot of trolls, Brenna and a few swamp creatures.
We discovered Haldor and Bog witch and bought everything we could from them.

At that point i was on the server with my admin character which Im using for 2 years but has all the keys removed and I wasn’t in the base when it happened.

I checked all the keys on the server and defeated_gdking was not there.

Raids are set to normal.

[Vincitore Becchi]

Originally posted by Veseljko:

Yeah, i would also like to know if something has changed with trolls raid recently.

We experienced the same on my server a few days ago. We killed Eikthyr, a lot of trolls, Brenna and a few swamp creatures.
We discovered Haldor and Bog witch and bought everything we could from them.

At that point i was on the server with my admin character which Im using for 2 years but has all the keys removed and I wasn’t in the base when it happened.

I checked all the keys on the server and defeated_gdking was not there.

Raids are set to normal.

Uhm this is interesting,
in my case no Brenna, discovered Haldor, Hildir and Bog Witch, all with nothing unlocked but base inventory..
you remember if you used a love potion, apart from buying it? my suspects point even more to that at this point..

[Veseljko]

I didn’t use it yet. But the player who was in the base when raid happened probably tried it.

[Vincitore Becchi]

Originally posted by Veseljko:

I didn’t use it yet. But the player who was in the base when raid happened probably tried it.

well it's strange a player based action bypasses the "player based raids" mechanic... i tought maybe "if a love potion is consumed by anyone in that world" but this excludes the case

[Cap'n Bells]

i have an old character from many worlds, and in a new world have had three separate troll raids No trolls were killed in that world.. yet the raids occurred..something has changed...Or it somehow follows the character??

[Exodite-Dragon]

Originally posted by Cap'n Bells:

i have an old character from many worlds, and in a new world have had three separate troll raids No trolls were killed in that world.. yet the raids occurred..something has changed...Or it somehow follows the character??

I think the death of a troll by any action flags the raid - you as a player don't have to kill it. If fulings or leeches or what-have-you gank a troll, then it qualifies.

But I was also under the impression that the Elder had to be defeated as well in order for troll raids to begin, if player-based raids are not set. So this is either something new, or a potential bug.

[Vincitore Becchi]

Originally posted by Cap'n Bells:

i have an old character from many worlds, and in a new world have had three separate troll raids No trolls were killed in that world.. yet the raids occurred..something has changed...Or it somehow follows the character??

yup, Exodite is right, any troll has to "die", even with zero damage taken from any player, the Elder unbeaten problem still remains..

Found on online guides that love potions affect raids somehow:
In the yt video "Valheim - All 8 New Bog Witch Potions Explained!", 5mins in, Embr states about love potions: "Troll spawns during the troll raid events will also be affected, making all of them starred".
So the potion is actually messing with the raid mechanic, our case still is much different, if my suspects are true this would be a permanent world change not a spawner modifier limited to the active effect of the potion.. dunno, the fact that the potion is mysterious and misleading from the beginning (you have no clue about what it really does based on item description) makes me think that's not a bug but a "mechanical easter egg", i mean, maybe the devs are trolling us..

[Vincitore Becchi]

damnit i'm testing this, i'm writing down what i'll do in case someone wants to join in the cause:
- pick my character who has already drank a potion in another world
- make a new world, put "raid rate" to "much more"
- stick to the meadows and away from any black forest border
- don't kill anything but boars, necks and greylings
- don't find any trader location
- stay in base and count 10 subsequent "Eikthyr rallies"
[if no troll raid is still triggered]
- bring a love potion from another world an drink it in the test world
- repeat 6

[Veseljko]

OK, after some testing i found what was wrong in my case.

I tried to remove my admin character's keys using a command "resetkeys" which did remove keys (they weren't visible in the list of active keys). However, something was left behind in the code that kept 3 raids active for me: "The forest is moving", "The ground is shaking" and "There is a smell of sulphur in the air".

Now that i used a key "Resetcharacter" it completely removed everything i killed or discovered with this character and the only raid i got was "Eikthyr rallies the creatures of the forest".
Be aware that using this command will reset everything including skills you got.

[pipo.p]

So you basically mean that there is one reset console command for each save file, instead of a single command working for both. The Wiki would certainly be interested, if not already aware of that.

[Veseljko]

I don't mean anything. As I obviously don't understand this matter good enough.
I never checked wiki when it comes to setting-resetting keys. I learned about it from YT and started experimenting with it by myself.
Today, while testing this "bug", I learned there are 3 reset commands (ResetKeys, ResetWorldKeys, ResetCharacter) and only the last one removed trolls and surtlings raids from my admin character.

I believed that "resetkeys" removes keys from character and current world. But obviously I was wrong. After I used "resetkeys" and checked them using "listkeys", there were no keys at all. However, I keept getting trolls and surtlings.


But to be honest, I used this character on at least 10 servers, modded and vanilla, as well as in my test world where I did a lot of experimenting with mods and devcommands. So maybe I broke it at some point.

[mirralallmighty]

I made a new character, just for fun to play around on, when my husband wasn't on, then he asked to come join my world, and it did not take long, before raids happened, because he had killed the bosses. It did not matter that I had not killed any bosses on this new one. So I guess that the game takes one of the persons in the world, and starts a raid, that fist that person, no matter what other persons might have killed.

[OctoberSky]

This issue has been around for some time. Not sure if and when it can get fixed.

[Zombits]

I did test the love potion yesterday. More trolls spawned but none of them were starred, unlike what wiki said.

As for troll raids, none of them happened since leave bronze age,. We're currently in ash

[Cap'n Bells]

Originally posted by Vincitore Becchi:

damnit i'm testing this, i'm writing down what i'll do in case someone wants to join in the cause:
- pick my character who has already drank a potion in another world
- make a new world, put "raid rate" to "much more"
- stick to the meadows and away from any black forest border
- don't kill anything but boars, necks and greylings
- don't find any trader location
- stay in base and count 10 subsequent "Eikthyr rallies"
[if no troll raid is still triggered]
- bring a love potion from another world an drink it in the test world
- repeat 6

oh interesting.. so according to my earlier post i may have had one "Eikythr rallies" and then the troll raids...so

looking @Veseljko talking about Keys.. this makes sense... my Character had killed many trolls in previous worlds. and may have "carried" the Troll raids into my new world.. if only with her current Forsaken Power..

.... hmmmm