Flippin Rain!!!

[cygnusx1]

I spent a good hour and a half to two hours laying out my house, footing my beams, framing and laying floors. I got all of my walls up and started on the roof when it began to rain tremendously. I tried to finish but my entire build was water damaged 80-85 %. I'm talking even the first floor, which was closed in by walls and the flooring on the second floor, even that got destroyed!!!

What kind of horse hockey is that?!!! Come on YO!! Water destruction in less than a day?!

That has got to get changed!

This is a first major thumbs down for this game... I need to walk away because I'm so tight right now, it's not even funny!!

[Renlish]

Easy fix... Call it a design feature.

Rain damage doesn't ruin the structural integrity of the build. Just keep building, repair as you cover things up or leave them.

Though I would kick kittens to have the floors act as roofing in vanilla. I want flat roofs!

[KingKickAss]

You got so angry that you had to get up and blow off steam over something that takes seconds to fix?

[cygnusx1]

It actually goes beyond rain damage. I was looking at build videos on YouTube and came across a dock build. After watching for a bit, I went into Valheim and began a simple dock. Well, after a few minutes of placing some core wood poles and laying out the decking, I noticed that the core wood poles were turning from a nice dark wood color to a pale light tan color indicating water damage!

Now correct me if I'm wrong, but wood piers used to be build with logs and would last for years before rotting. I guess I just don't get the point of degrading building material so quickly in the game!

[RequiemsRose]

Originally posted by cygnusx1:

It actually goes beyond rain damage. I was looking at build videos on YouTube and came across a dock build. After watching for a bit, I went into Valheim and began a simple dock. Well, after a few minutes of placing some core wood poles and laying out the decking, I noticed that the core wood poles were turning from a nice dark wood color to a pale light tan color indicating water damage!

Now correct me if I'm wrong, but wood piers used to be build with logs and would last for years before rotting. I guess I just don't get the point of degrading building material so quickly in the game!

It is admittedly docks that irritate me the most when it comes to the weather damage. Sure, im not the best at history but I feel like a simple "huh, sap makes water roll right off, neat" might actually be more accurate than constantly having to build covered docks or stone docks (which, again not the greatest at history but I did grow up in a town with a lot of focus on our local water and at least there, stone is a horrible dock material due to the risks of erosion and collision (but makes a great wave break that you dont mind getting worn down) yet stone is often my default dock material so i dont have to build a fully covered dock instead. At least give us a wood option that's water resistant, even if its later in the game. By the time I'm staining wood with tar, realistically there should be some waterproofing properties already going on there.

[Ataxio]

It's effectively just cosmetic. The HP of wood really isn't that much at all at maximum, so 50% integrity just gives it a weathered look. Certainly not enough to freak out about, but I get that people react to things differently, this is just a weird hill to die on.

Mods should never be the answer as each one you add increases instability and the likelihood that you will have issues come patch day. Proceed at your own peril on that one. Until Valheim is 1.0 or feature complete to the point where it will not receive any further updates mods will always be a risk.

[Ataxio]

Originally posted by cygnusx1:

It actually goes beyond rain damage. I was looking at build videos on YouTube and came across a dock build. After watching for a bit, I went into Valheim and began a simple dock. Well, after a few minutes of placing some core wood poles and laying out the decking, I noticed that the core wood poles were turning from a nice dark wood color to a pale light tan color indicating water damage!

Now correct me if I'm wrong, but wood piers used to be build with logs and would last for years before rotting. I guess I just don't get the point of degrading building material so quickly in the game!

Maybe ask for treated wood in features? Wooden constructions that are meant to be outside 24/7 are treated entirely different then say a log cabin would be. Personally I like the weathered look when it comes to outdoor stuff.

Perhaps the devs will one day allow us to use the dvergers entire build set and we can make those nifty outdoor docks with fancy wood thats resistant to weather.

[Sythalin]

Originally posted by Ataxio:

Mods should never be the answer as each one you add increases instability and the likelihood that you will have issues come patch day. Proceed at your own peril on that one. Until Valheim is 1.0 or feature complete to the point where it will not receive any further updates mods will always be a risk.

And in other news, water is wet!

[RequiemsRose]

Originally posted by Ataxio:

It's effectively just cosmetic. The HP of wood really isn't that much at all at maximum, so 50% integrity just gives it a weathered look. Certainly not enough to freak out about, but I get that people react to things differently, this is just a weird hill to die on.

Mods should never be the answer as each one you add increases instability and the likelihood that you will have issues come patch day. Proceed at your own peril on that one. Until Valheim is 1.0 or feature complete to the point where it will not receive any further updates mods will always be a risk.

Oh I will 100% agree that it's purely cosmetic. It just also happens to happen mostly to the things I actually want to look pretty which is unfortunate. I'm not usually worried about the HP of my dock pieces since I go a little overboard making sure nothing even spawns in such a way it MIGHT swim over to my docks after losing an annoying amount of boats to weirdly persistent boars or necks over my games. I seriously go overboard on the docks, even have bonfires on both sides to act as lighthouses (i seriously cant see crap at night, ive already made a report a loooooong time ago about how insanely dark my game is at night, even with the headlamp im lucky to see my toes...in third person...), and exploit that delightful "apparently nothing can swim over a submerged ledge in this game" mechanic just to be sure. I don't have to worry about the reduced HP actually being a safety hazard...but it looks grody, especially the greenish tint some of the woods get (which yes, im fully aware actual wood gets that same greenish tint from water exposure, usually algae or molds depending on the level of water exposure...though actual wood doesn't tend to get that way in a single day, or even the first year).

[Ghevd]

My biggest gripe is the supports for my wooden docks are always weathered. Guess I should switch to stone.

[pipo.p]

Originally posted by cygnusx1:

Are you saying that it acceptable to have 50% woodrot/degradation call it what you will, in just a single rain fall?

1. Whatever the damage, it will always require one click with the hammer to repair.

2. Structural integrity isn't related to damaged pieces, so it doesn't prevent you from going on building, but damage by rain certainly lowers resilience to "chopping" attacks by trolls and the like. In this case, there is a difference between a 50% damage and,say, a 10% damage.

I am not mad on those 50% damage either. It could be less, and it could be gradual (with 50% damage as a maximum). I don't really care, as it would require the exact same actions to be repaired. But let's keep in mind that this would increase computation in large bases that are lacking proper roofing.

[cygnusx1]

@pipo.p

That's fine if you're ok with it. Apparently, there are others out there who also don't like it.

As Alio said in the reply...

Originally posted by Alio:

If you're doing a really detailed build this can fudge you up badly, but for the average player who's just snapping a few pieces together and calling it a house.. all of that can be repaired and improved.

If I was just making a hut then no, I would not be angry. My OP said I was 1 1/2 to 2 hours into a build. I was very meticulous in laying horizontal and vertical beams. Which means tons of overlapping and a headache to go back and repair with "a click".

And you said it yourself in a sort of contradictory way that,

"Structural integrity isn't related to damaged pieces, so it doesn't prevent you from going on building, but damage by rain certainly lowers resilience to "chopping" attacks by trolls and the like."

So there is definitely a cause for alarm and annoyance.

[pipo.p]

There is nothing contradictory in saying that rain damage is not harmful to building (except to visualize snatch points, perhaps?) and saying on the other hand that damaged buildings can take less damage before breaking, or please explain.

You in turn appear to be, if not contradictory, at least extravagant in your request: you would want zero issue when building under the rain until you put on roofs, because the 50% damage is not what is bugging you. What is bugging you is that building pieces look distorted, and that this would hinder "fine" building.

I don't build any "fine" building, only 4x4x6 straight wooden towers and long houses, and I have no issue with rain damage, because even if all the wooden pieces woudl be damaged, that would barely mean more than 30 clicks to repair them once and for all.

I think that Devs that allowed creative mode for the player to use, could also add a no rain damage effect to this mode.

[BoneMassive]

just a tad of an exaggeration. lol @80-85%

[Samoth]

Much of it comes from doing exactly that lingering about at an encampment, or steady at a task of gathering mats, mainly trees. The weathering feature does need a logic pass no doubt. But some conditional wear can be mitigated.inserting roof tiles will convey a mild benefit to things it touches. Corewood generally when grounded 'blue; if I recall doesn't weather much. It's all about the technique.
But logic does need tightening. By comparison a flat common bean will weather in conjunction with an X-member, but the x itself will not, and it will protect vertical members. Learning what to use were is crucial.