Carts are a noobie trap.

[Darth Invader]

I just spent an hour trying to transport 80 pieces of silver on what would otherwise be a 10-15 minute trip. I could have easily made 3 round trips in the same amount of time it took one-way with a stupid cart. They don't work on anything but basically flat land, they get hung on everything, they tip, they cut your movement speed in half, etc., etc. I had to destroy it and build a new one at least twice because the stupid thing gits hung between trees and rocks and banks and wont budge. JEEZ what a buzzkill that whole ordeal was just now.

Inb4 cool story.

[BGratz]

引用自 SiEgE：

Also, why do you even need to move something? Why not just move your forging station, your kiln and your smelter to the spot where you mine the ore?

This is the best way in a vanilla game
Make a temporary base in the center of some ore Sources.
Produce all equipment you need at that place. And on top so many ingots you want for your base, and then run/Sail once to your base.

Sad sideeffect is that you need to Mine enough at one time, every time you need additional ingots in your base you need to travel again.

[LordOfTheBread]

引用自 SiEgE：

引用自 LordOfTheDread：

Exactly my point, I have to make 2 trips for realism sake. I don't play Valheim to have a realistic experience, there are way better games for that.

One thing pulls another. The weight system introduces need in limiting player's(and other things) capabilities to move weight.
Weight is also a part of balance of ores - limits on how much ore you can carry are pretty tight. You either need help of a friend, or just tone down your mining productivity. That is also why teleports can't teleport ore. Ore is too significant - it basically progresses your game.

Of course ships are better at moving big stacks of ore. Just good luck moving all that ore into the ship. And then off the ship, in case if your base is not at a shore.
The reason why ships don't change their float physics when weight is involved are simple - there are no other viable ways to travel over water. If weight would damage the control of the ships - people would have to use multiple ships. Driving multiple ships around is THAT much of a time waster(especially considering how inconvenient the wind is, sometimes), that it just doesn't worth it, even from the realism/balance standpoint.

Devs foreseen people just grind themselves full sets of upgraded armor in no time, so that is why you need to do so much extra work and hustle just to get few stacks of ore. You cannot just remove the weight limit on the cart, because then you'll just find ships useless.

Also, why do you even need to move something? Why not just move your forging station, your kiln and your smelter to the spot where you mine the ore?

You miss the point entirely. I'd take a 2 times slower cart anyday over a cart that I can't fill up.

This is not about game padding but about how fun a feature is to use ain a video game. A video game is supposed to be fun, boats in this game are fun, I have fun farming for gear I just don't have fun using carts and apparently I am not the only one.

What I am asking is to make carts fun to use. In Terraria minecarts are very fun to use, same goes in other games like Minecraft.

I would rather have a straight 9 spaces cart that is easier to maneouver rather than the cart as it is now.

This is not about how fast I want to transport things, I can use any mod to change my max carry weight and to allow me to teleport ore. It is just about how fun are individual features to use and the carts aint fun.

[ZERO]

I agree, I mainly use them to transport wood from my tree farms which are close by.

[Tomibouzu]

引用自 LordOfTheDread：

引用自 Ebyl：

I do when the situation calls for it. Not all situations call for it, but that's what people are not getting. Just because a cart is not useful in all situations doesn't mean it is broken or needs to be reworked.

And that is the issue, we do not have alternative for the situations where the cart is not good enough.

you dont need an alternative for every situation the cart is not good enough.

引用自 LordOfTheDread：

引用自 Ebyl：

Boats are better options for in most instances, or at least carts to boats, etc. There's no need for a rework, it's fine. So you can't fill the cart more than half full with ore because it's too heavy. Make two trips (and then come here to complain).

Exactly my point, I have to make 2 trips for realism sake. I don't play Valheim to have a realistic experience, there are way better games for that.

you have to make 2 trips because you're trying to haul TONS of ore.

引用自 LordOfTheDread：

引用自 SiEgE：

One thing pulls another. The weight system introduces need in limiting player's(and other things) capabilities to move weight.
Weight is also a part of balance of ores - limits on how much ore you can carry are pretty tight. You either need help of a friend, or just tone down your mining productivity. That is also why teleports can't teleport ore. Ore is too significant - it basically progresses your game.

Of course ships are better at moving big stacks of ore. Just good luck moving all that ore into the ship. And then off the ship, in case if your base is not at a shore.
The reason why ships don't change their float physics when weight is involved are simple - there are no other viable ways to travel over water. If weight would damage the control of the ships - people would have to use multiple ships. Driving multiple ships around is THAT much of a time waster(especially considering how inconvenient the wind is, sometimes), that it just doesn't worth it, even from the realism/balance standpoint.

Devs foreseen people just grind themselves full sets of upgraded armor in no time, so that is why you need to do so much extra work and hustle just to get few stacks of ore. You cannot just remove the weight limit on the cart, because then you'll just find ships useless.

Also, why do you even need to move something? Why not just move your forging station, your kiln and your smelter to the spot where you mine the ore?

You miss the point entirely. I'd take a 2 times slower cart anyday over a cart that I can't fill up.

This is not about game padding but about how fun a feature is to use ain a video game. A video game is supposed to be fun, boats in this game are fun, I have fun farming for gear I just don't have fun using carts and apparently I am not the only one.

What I am asking is to make carts fun to use. In Terraria minecarts are very fun to use, same goes in other games like Minecraft.

I would rather have a straight 9 spaces cart that is easier to maneouver rather than the cart as it is now.

This is not about how fast I want to transport things, I can use any mod to change my max carry weight and to allow me to teleport ore. It is just about how fun are individual features to use and the carts aint fun.

oh so you just want to nerf the cart? that would make it very not fun.. sounds like your idea is bad if the base of your argument is "I want it to be fun".

[LordOfTheBread]

引用自 Tomibouzu：

引用自 LordOfTheDread：

And that is the issue, we do not have alternative for the situations where the cart is not good enough.

you dont need an alternative for every situation the cart is not good enough.

引用自 LordOfTheDread：

Exactly my point, I have to make 2 trips for realism sake. I don't play Valheim to have a realistic experience, there are way better games for that.

you have to make 2 trips because you're trying to haul TONS of ore.

引用自 LordOfTheDread：

You miss the point entirely. I'd take a 2 times slower cart anyday over a cart that I can't fill up.

This is not about game padding but about how fun a feature is to use ain a video game. A video game is supposed to be fun, boats in this game are fun, I have fun farming for gear I just don't have fun using carts and apparently I am not the only one.

What I am asking is to make carts fun to use. In Terraria minecarts are very fun to use, same goes in other games like Minecraft.

I would rather have a straight 9 spaces cart that is easier to maneouver rather than the cart as it is now.

This is not about how fast I want to transport things, I can use any mod to change my max carry weight and to allow me to teleport ore. It is just about how fun are individual features to use and the carts aint fun.

oh so you just want to nerf the cart? that would make it very not fun.. sounds like your idea is bad if the base of your argument is "I want it to be fun".

What I want is to make the cart fun to use so players will actually use it and that's all. If that mean it needs to be nerfed to get fun to use so ne it.

I don't give a damn about efficacy in a video game, I don't care if I need to make 10 trips instead of 1 as long as I have fun making those trips.

I don't have fun using the cart, never have, not when it is half full, not when it is empty, not when it is full.

If a part of a video game is unfun it should be reworked because at the end of the day we all play games because they are fun.

I have fun in every other aspect in this game, I have fun mining, I have fun lumbejacking, I have fun sailing, I have fun exploring, I have fun fighting and yet, when it comes to carts, I don't have any sense of fun.

[BGratz]

maybe get the beasts of burden mod, this moment i tame me some lox for a test

[Tomibouzu]

引用自 LordOfTheDread：

I don't have fun using the cart, never have, not when it is half full, not when it is empty, not when it is full.

then dont use the cart, why do you feel the need to go on a crusade to ruin other peoples fun because you dont find the thing fun? This is not even a thing where you need a mod to fix your issue.

[Blitz4]

I wonder what the average player who has at least reached the Iron age feels about the functionality of the cart and the process to make it more functional (leveling terrain).

[LordOfTheBread]

引用自 Tomibouzu：

引用自 LordOfTheDread：

I don't have fun using the cart, never have, not when it is half full, not when it is empty, not when it is full.

then dont use the cart, why do you feel the need to go on a crusade to ruin other peoples fun because you dont find the thing fun? This is not even a thing where you need a mod to fix your issue.

If the solution is to not use a feature then there is a problem with the feature just saying. Nobody in this thread said he had fun with carts. How am I ruining anyone's fun by saying something is not fun is the question here?

If you feel personally attacked for any reason I suggest modding your attitude because I never attacked you or anyone else.

I just said: carts are not fun feel free to try and change my mind.

[BGratz]

引用自 Tomibouzu：

引用自 LordOfTheDread：

I don't have fun using the cart, never have, not when it is half full, not when it is empty, not when it is full.

then dont use the cart, why do you feel the need to go on a crusade to ruin other peoples fun because you dont find the thing fun? This is not even a thing where you need a mod to fix your issue.

Well where is the alternative transport possibility ?
If the Cart would be better usable you still could make your Highways

[Tomibouzu]

引用自 BGratz：

引用自 Tomibouzu：

then dont use the cart, why do you feel the need to go on a crusade to ruin other peoples fun because you dont find the thing fun? This is not even a thing where you need a mod to fix your issue.

Well where is the alternative transport possibility ?
If the Cart would be better usable you still could make your Highways

ROFLMAO a boat or your feet. There's no need for an alternative. are you really trying to argue that there needs to be an alternative to every item? Like the pickaxe sucks in combat, wheres our alternative combat pickaxe.

why make a highway at all?

[LordOfTheBread]

引用自 Tomibouzu：

引用自 BGratz：

Well where is the alternative transport possibility ?
If the Cart would be better usable you still could make your Highways

ROFLMAO a boat or your feet. There's no need for an alternative. are you really trying to argue that there needs to be an alternative to every item? Like the pickaxe sucks in combat, wheres our alternative combat pickaxe.

why make a highway at all?

Except longship is a better alternative to the karve wich itself is a better alternative to the raft.

This game is based around progression if I am not mistaken and yet we only have one pretty bad cart.

In your pickaxe example you start with a bone pickaxe which is pretty nad to end up with an iron pickaxe wich is way better, why does the same thing does not apply to cart when it applies to everything else?

[Meewec]

引用自 Blitz4：

I wonder what the average player who has at least reached the Iron age feels about the functionality of the cart and the process to make it more functional (leveling terrain).

i didn't use it outside of my base except to gather wood after i got copper. had a base near the swamp i dropped iron at and then boated it back to my main base.

oh, i guess i did take one with 7k worth of silver down a mountain but boated it back from there as well

[Deadoon]

引用自 LordOfTheDread：

If the solution is to not use a feature then there is a problem with the feature just saying. Nobody in this thread said he had fun with carts. How am I ruining anyone's fun by saying something is not fun is the question here?

If you feel personally attacked for any reason I suggest modding your attitude because I never attacked you or anyone else.

I just said: carts are not fun feel free to try and change my mind.

The solution is to use the cart in a reasonable manner. Just because it doesn't fit your purpose does not mean it is not good.

We aren't trying to change your mind, we are calling out your inability to see other perspectives.

You can reasonably easily move a cart fully loaded with stone or wood, but will have issues with a full load of iron. Why? The iron is more dense than wood.

[BGratz]

引用自 Tomibouzu：

引用自 BGratz：

Well where is the alternative transport possibility ?
If the Cart would be better usable you still could make your Highways

ROFLMAO a boat or your feet. There's no need for an alternative. are you really trying to argue that there needs to be an alternative to every item? Like the pickaxe sucks in combat, wheres our alternative combat pickaxe.

why make a highway at all?

Point is that the whole transport system in vanilla is build around pain. If you choose a Seed with large islands you cant use the boat you are screwed.
the sollution to pimp boats and play only seeds with smaller islands is no real sollution.
Its avoiding bad/painfull gameplay

And get me right, i demand no changes, i only give feedback to make clear that there are people that dislike parts of the game. (And i would not need to repeat that if there would be no spam of the different opinion) For myself i just mod it, for many others thats no alternative.