Valheim

Valheim

Firsken Mar 11, 2021 @ 8:28am
Maypole Problems!
Don't get me wrong, I love this game!

BUT, with a lore surrounding Norse mythology, HOW could you use the modernised, christian version (a cross) of the maypole? During the viking age (and before), a more plausible maypole would be one straight pole from the ground, with a horizontal ring around it (more commonly used in Germany today). This is because the original maypole was a symbol of fertility. Not christianity.

I'm hoping the devs read this, and adress it.
Can't have a christian symbol in the 10th world of Yggdrasil!

Skål!
Last edited by Firsken; Mar 11, 2021 @ 10:13am
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Merle Mar 11, 2021 @ 8:32am 
Interesting, is the maypole incorrect in the movie midsommer too? https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/m-02627-rc-1562086674.jpg?resize=320:*
Jango Mar 11, 2021 @ 8:32am 
Yeah have to agree.
Thats the reason I refuse to built the maypol.
gerald2 Mar 11, 2021 @ 8:34am 
Originally posted by Schmorgus:
Don't get me wrong, I love this game!

BUT, with a lore surrounding Norse mythology, HOW could you use the modernised, christian version (a cross) of the maypole? During the viking age (and before), a more plausible maypole would be one straight pole from the ground, with a horizontal ring around it (more commonly used in Germany). This is because the original maypole was a symbol of fertility. Not christianity.

I'm hoping the devs read this, and adress it.
Can't have a christian symbol in the 10th world of Yggdrasil!

Skål!
then remove horizontal rigging from your longship it forms cross also you know lol :P
Last edited by gerald2; Mar 11, 2021 @ 8:34am
Merle Mar 11, 2021 @ 8:34am 
Originally posted by Anarchist Jurisdictor:
Originally posted by Sythierius:
Interesting, is the maypole incorrect in the movie midsommer too? https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/m-02627-rc-1562086674.jpg?resize=320:*

Well it's a cross, so, lol
Yeah guess I answered my own question lol welp
Voronja Mar 11, 2021 @ 8:37am 
The Maypole is a Pagan tradition before the Christians stole it. Just like Halloween is Pagan. The true meaning of Halloween and Maypole dancing has long gone.
CrazyOdd Mar 11, 2021 @ 8:40am 
"Traditionally, Midsummer was celebrated on June 24, the feast day of St. John the Baptist, but the holiday has its roots in a pre-Christian solstice festival. Rather than trying to stamp out such pagan festivals, the early Catholic Church found it useful to coopt them by associating them with Christian celebrations."

"Recorded evidence of Maypole Dancing goes back at least to the 14th century, the texts suggesting the custom was very old even then"

"Maypole dancing comes down to us from the rites of spring dedicated to Freya, although the pole was originally a living tree representing Yggdrasill, the enormous ash tree that is the great "world tree" of Norse cosmology."

So Pagan in origin and old enough to be from Viking age.
Wariat117 Mar 11, 2021 @ 8:47am 
Originally posted by CrazyOdd:
although the pole was originally a living tree representing Yggdrasill
why build fake tree when we can watch real one in sky >:D


btw good job finding such detailed info o-o
Merle Mar 11, 2021 @ 8:49am 
I think I found an image of what you're describing: https://i2.wp.com/germanyiswunderbar.com/wp-content/uploads/Bad-Reichenhall-putting-up-the-maypole-BAYERN-TOURISMUS-Marketing-GmbH.jpg?ssl=1

When you try to search for maypoles almost all of them look like the ones in this game. Sad that history was erased.
CrazyOdd Mar 11, 2021 @ 8:49am 
Originally posted by Wariat117:
Originally posted by CrazyOdd:
although the pole was originally a living tree representing Yggdrasill
why build fake tree when we can watch real one in sky >:D
Tradition kept, by the once remembering it, I guess.
DarkEternal Mar 11, 2021 @ 8:52am 
Originally posted by Jango:
Yeah have to agree.
Thats the reason I refuse to built the maypol.

You can't build it.
Wariat117 Mar 11, 2021 @ 9:00am 
Originally posted by DarkEternal:
Originally posted by Jango:
Yeah have to agree.
Thats the reason I refuse to built the maypol.

You can't build it.
Game probably uses the same system as terraria?
Aka, change date on your clock and you will be able to build christmas stuff?

didn't try it personally
I just went with mod that makes christmas and halloween stuff all year long ;D
Kaziklu78 Mar 11, 2021 @ 9:05am 
So for people that don't understand. The Maypole used in Sweden differed from most other places as it has a horizontal cross beam which many believe was an attempt to Christianize it as it doesn't seem to appear anywhere else really.

Midsommer is a horrible piece of Garbage and like the new Craft movie should never have been made... Pagan's and Witches need to stop being demonized. I miss the last round in the 90s and early 2000s where we were shown usually in a much more positive light.

In this case the Maypole used is the one that is common in Sweden which has the cross beam rather than a straight pole with the hoop either suspended horizontally from the top or the pole hatched with ribbons for a maypole dance where the hoop is placed at the top and is slowly lowered as the dance proceeds.

What is important to note. Is there is no direct evidence one way or the other to say the Swedish version is "christianized" or is just unique to them. Swede's were a interesting bunch and may have just did their own thing with a tradition learned from the Geats.

It should also be noted that there is a great deal of Christian Romanticism in the game already. The Vegvisir is not a Heathen thing it is an Icelandic invention in the post Christian period and is based on Christian style magic not Heathen style.

So I don't have a major issue with it personally. (particularly as the Maypole it self may be a modern Christian tradition in the first place so if they are included at all it is odd)
Last edited by Kaziklu78; Mar 11, 2021 @ 9:09am
DarkEternal Mar 11, 2021 @ 9:18am 
Originally posted by Wariat117:
Originally posted by DarkEternal:

You can't build it.
Game probably uses the same system as terraria?
Aka, change date on your clock and you will be able to build christmas stuff?

didn't try it personally
I just went with mod that makes christmas and halloween stuff all year long ;D

No. You literally cannot build it. You can cheat one in, but that's it.
Wariat117 Mar 11, 2021 @ 9:30am 
Originally posted by DarkEternal:
No. You literally cannot build it. You can cheat one in, but that's it.
just use mod to make christmas/halloween stuff all year round and equip hammer and build them
Last edited by Wariat117; Mar 11, 2021 @ 9:30am
Firsken Mar 11, 2021 @ 10:12am 
Originally posted by Kaziklu78:
So for people that don't understand. The Maypole used in Sweden differed from most other places as it has a horizontal cross beam which many believe was an attempt to Christianize it as it doesn't seem to appear anywhere else really.

Midsommer is a horrible piece of Garbage and like the new Craft movie should never have been made... Pagan's and Witches need to stop being demonized. I miss the last round in the 90s and early 2000s where we were shown usually in a much more positive light.

In this case the Maypole used is the one that is common in Sweden which has the cross beam rather than a straight pole with the hoop either suspended horizontally from the top or the pole hatched with ribbons for a maypole dance where the hoop is placed at the top and is slowly lowered as the dance proceeds.

What is important to note. Is there is no direct evidence one way or the other to say the Swedish version is "christianized" or is just unique to them. Swede's were a interesting bunch and may have just did their own thing with a tradition learned from the Geats.

It should also be noted that there is a great deal of Christian Romanticism in the game already. The Vegvisir is not a Heathen thing it is an Icelandic invention in the post Christian period and is based on Christian style magic not Heathen style.

So I don't have a major issue with it personally. (particularly as the Maypole it self may be a modern Christian tradition in the first place so if they are included at all it is odd)

I have to disagree with you. The origin of the maypole stretches way back as a symbol of fertility, celebrated at blot in the spring. Not at midsummer (it was moved much later due to lack of leaves for decoration). Saying that christianity didn't have anything to do with modifying a pagan holiday by making it a cross, is just pure ignorance. Pretty much the same way as the "christmas" tree originally hung from the ceiling. Actually a symbol of Yggdrasil during winter blot, but celebrated in february. Not in december.

But this is pointless arguing.
The maypole has been found in stone carvings from, and before the viking age.
Long before christianity came to the Norse.

The carvings depict a pole, with a ring at the top, and long strings from the ring wich people held and danced around the pole. But since that mechanic would be weird to recreate ingame, a pole with a ring would do just fine.
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