what i hate about fishing and how to fix it maybe?

[Rookie]

fishing should start early game, i was like 100 hours in before i found the merchant, give picking up a rock a 25%/50% chance at dropping 1 worm. make a rod with normal wood, better rod with better wood.+1 fishing/5/10 etc and then maybe roots from stumps as the "string" same thing need the new stump roots for a better rod something like 20% chance of roots from a stump. the merchant has the best rod. or improved bobber gives another game tic to hook to address him having the rod. so fish as food would need a little revamp too. maybe fish are supreme at the middle ground equal food and stam or.. introduce weaker mage in early. side note all the videos say to hold block to catch fish....you should not reel in if the fish is moving in any way, so spam click instead at early levels will help you alot. idk i get Dungeon Siege and og RS vibes from Valheim and i love it. and i do understand the "minimalist style is kinda part of the sheen"but some parts of it are not that anymore. end of rant.

[>< V ><]

It seems to me that fish is meant as a higher tier food item. That ultimately, this is why getting the fishing pole comes later.

[blackphoenixx]

Originally posted by >< V ><:

It seems to me that fish is meant as a higher tier food item. That ultimately, this is why getting the fishing pole comes later.

except cooked fish has stats equivalent to deer stew, a black forest tier food.

It's basically useless once you get to the swamp and can make sausages. Sure, you get fish wraps in the mountains and later on fish n bread in the Mistlands, but basic fish is not high tier food.

[withered]

fishing with a spear would be nice. Quick and efficient.

[Luc]

I generally like fishing in games, but the whole process of needing trophies to craft bait gets really obnoxious with higher tier fish. Nevermind the inventory clutter if you're not beelining for a specific type of fish. But wait, each fish has 5 quality levels, meaning even more wasted inventory space.

In conclusion, I'll just stick to the spearfishing mod in Valheim.

[>< V ><]

Originally posted by blackphoenixx:

Originally posted by >< V ><:

It seems to me that fish is meant as a higher tier food item. That ultimately, this is why getting the fishing pole comes later.

except cooked fish has stats equivalent to deer stew, a black forest tier food.

It's basically useless once you get to the swamp and can make sausages. Sure, you get fish wraps in the mountains and later on fish n bread in the Mistlands, but basic fish is not high tier food.

I would claim, comparing a non crafted food item to a crafted food item, demonstrates the higher tier of the non crafted food item.

Cooked fish is equivalent to cooked wolf.

[knighttemplar1960]

The devs made fish a higher tier food. You now have to have a cauldron to turn fish into raw fish that can be cooked. Fish traps still work during storms
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2976178702
but you have to have mined and smelted enough copper to build a forge and enough tin to make a cauldron to make use of fish. Deer meat is faster and easier to get.

[blackphoenixx]

Originally posted by >< V ><:

I would claim, comparing a non crafted food item to a crafted food item, demonstrates the higher tier of the non crafted food item.

That makes no sense. Cooked fish is available as soon as you have a cauldron (assuming you can get fish), same as deer stew. And it gives the exact same stats as deer stew too.

That doesn't spell "two tiers higher" to me. Comparing it to mountain food when it's inferior to that in every way is completely ridiculous.

[Lunnin]

im confused by the post, fishing is an early game mechanic specially since the merchant spawns now 100% on starter island

[JP_Russell]

Originally posted by blackphoenixx:

Originally posted by >< V ><:

I would claim, comparing a non crafted food item to a crafted food item, demonstrates the higher tier of the non crafted food item.

That makes no sense. Cooked fish is available as soon as you have a cauldron (assuming you can get fish), same as deer stew. And it gives the exact same stats as deer stew too.

That doesn't spell "two tiers higher" to me. Comparing it to mountain food when it's inferior to that in every way is completely ridiculous.

I agree that cooked fish is the same tier as deer stew, but I would say fish in general is a higher tier food item in that it's far more useful for fish wraps later and takes too long to farm to be worth using up any fish you get early on, not to mention mince meat sauce is arguably better overall as your second food item (longer duration, 1 more health regen are a bigger deal than its downside of slightly less max health and stamina).

Originally posted by Lunnin:

im confused by the post, fishing is an early game mechanic specially since the merchant spawns now 100% on starter island

Unless this is a change with the ashlands update on PTB that I'm not aware of, Haldor does not have to and very often does not spawn on the starting continent.

[Shaken_Widow]

Originally posted by JP_Russell:

Originally posted by Lunnin:

im confused by the post, fishing is an early game mechanic specially since the merchant spawns now 100% on starter island

Unless this is a change with the ashlands update on PTB that I'm not aware of, Haldor does not have to and very often does not spawn on the starting continent.

the percentage is only ~30 idk where they got 100%.

only legit numbers on it is from a test done through a reddit post for percentages, the actual math the game uses is just him being within 1500m from start.

[HunApo]

The only problem with fishing is that it doesnt really fit into the natural progression of the game.

Early game, once you get the fishing rod from the trader, you dont really have the stamina to fish, nor does it worth it cause the simple cooked fish is kinda weak (same as deer stew, which is a lot easier to make in huge quanitites)

Later, once you hit plains, fish wrap is not bad, but you need go fishing a lot and likely wont have the skill level, while wolf skewer is easy to make and just slightly weaker health food alterantive.

Havent reached ashlands yet, so unsure if there is something to use for.


The way i see, there should be multiple tiers of fishing rods (be it trader or craftable), which would give better stamina efficiency and more importantly, more recepies to make fishing more viable and not just a niche mechanic.

[JP_Russell]

Originally posted by HunApo:

The only problem with fishing is that it doesnt really fit into the natural progression of the game.

Early game, once you get the fishing rod from the trader, you dont really have the stamina to fish, nor does it worth it cause the simple cooked fish is kinda weak (same as deer stew, which is a lot easier to make in huge quanitites)

Later, once you hit plains, fish wrap is not bad, but you need go fishing a lot and likely wont have the skill level, while wolf skewer is easy to make and just slightly weaker health food alterantive.

Havent reached ashlands yet, so unsure if there is something to use for.


The way i see, there should be multiple tiers of fishing rods (be it trader or craftable), which would give better stamina efficiency and more importantly, more recepies to make fishing more viable and not just a niche mechanic.

Fishing is also one of the skills in the game that levels way too slowly. It takes 7 and a half straight hours of reeling in fish to go from level 0 to 100, if you're rested for all of it. You're likely looking at hundreds of in-game days of doing nothing but fishing to get there, and maybe a couple thousand or more stamina foods in total, and you'll have more fish in storage than you could ever use up. If you're just playing normally, you'll never get anywhere near maxing out fishing and will have no reason to try.

[Zombits]

fishing is easy . leveling the skill to 30+ will be extremely slow unlike most skills.

people talk about cooked fish. anything you eat without a recipe sucks.

3 reasons why I fish, fish rap as alternate easy to make medium food, fish n chips and for helmet

[optOut]

I really hate how important fish is and also how you must first find the merchant before you can fish. A bad seed can really make it difficult finding a merchant, if for example, several islands around spawn have more swamp and or plains surrounding the core black forest biome that could spawn a merchant.

I am familiar with viewing the map online based on your seed, but I hate to do it.

[Eightball]

As far as skill needed, since fish are biome specific (and get progressively harder to catch stamina wise) it is rather easy to catch those along the shores in the Meadows and Black Forest (no huge stamina pool needed) and doing so can get your skill up without sinking huge amounts of time into it.

There is no need at all for a 100 in fishing skill. In fact you need far, far less to get through the master fisher quest (for the hat that gives + fishing skill). But stamina food is key for the highest level fish.