Valheim

Valheim

bacon Feb 22, 2024 @ 5:06am
seems pretty clear that "blood" enchantment is life leech
wondering how folks feel about this. on one hand, life leech is a staple of diablo-style grinders. on the other hand, its such a staple that it obsoletes anything else that it displaces in that given choice slot. seems unreasonable to believe that life leech wouldnt automatically be the best choice for any character, though it might depend somewhat on whether it is an on-kill effect or an on-hit or on-damage effect.
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Nerevar (Banned) Feb 22, 2024 @ 5:47am 
i wouldnt be so certain of that. but even if it is there is a high chance it will only drain hp and you lose the extra dmg from lets say lighting.

health potions have a cooldown. and its rather easy to avoid dmg in valheim. and if it heals like 5 hp per hit its not worth takeing over more dmg.

not judgeable without testing it on ptb or the devs showing numbers.
jonnin Feb 22, 2024 @ 6:44am 
assuming you are correct..

lifesteal is handy in games where healing passively isn't a thing. In V we heal all the time, and top up quickly out of battles. So only in the most brutal battles where we get hit hard do we need to top off with a potion and life leech would replace that. Think about how often you NEED to use a heal potion in fights (should be rare?). That is how "meta' this will be, as it is a direct replacement.
I'd say it depends on what the enemies will be, with something like a DoT, it could probably be quite useful. I can imagine there might be some sort of burn DoT inflicted by some enemies judging by the whole lava and ash theme, and if it is strong enough a life steal would be beneficial absolutely, but again, depends on how it might get applied. If most enemy attacks are rather easy to dodge, or if you're skilled enough to evade most enemy attacks by simple kiting or timing your rolls, then damage will probably be better in a lot of cases. Enemies die quicker = gives enemies less opportunities to attack you = less damage dealt to you.

Unless you're going a whole tank style playstyle life steal would be good, but currently there are no items or armours that would incentivize doing so. I did however see that they are adding 3/4 new armours to Ashlands though (?) which might include more varied playstyles; damage, jack-of-all-trades, tank, etc. Which i do love to see.

Also is it confirmed that the blood enchantment does life steal ? Trying to find more about it but can't really find anything.
Last edited by i have 2026 vision fear me; Feb 22, 2024 @ 7:57am
Imhotep Feb 22, 2024 @ 11:04am 
Originally posted by bacon:
wondering how folks feel about this. on one hand, life leech is a staple of diablo-style grinders. on the other hand, its such a staple that it obsoletes anything else that it displaces in that given choice slot. seems unreasonable to believe that life leech wouldnt automatically be the best choice for any character, though it might depend somewhat on whether it is an on-kill effect or an on-hit or on-damage effect.

Life leech is pointless in this game also.

Every time you go to a new biome you get one shot regardless so thats totally useless.

Until you compete it then you get two or three shot after you build the armor and the weapon.
bacon Feb 22, 2024 @ 11:06am 
Originally posted by Imhotep:
Originally posted by bacon:
wondering how folks feel about this. on one hand, life leech is a staple of diablo-style grinders. on the other hand, its such a staple that it obsoletes anything else that it displaces in that given choice slot. seems unreasonable to believe that life leech wouldnt automatically be the best choice for any character, though it might depend somewhat on whether it is an on-kill effect or an on-hit or on-damage effect.

Life leech is pointless in this game also.

Every time you go to a new biome you get one shot regardless so thats totally useless.

Until you compete it then you get two or three shot after you build the armor and the weapon.

literally none of that is true.
Nerevar (Banned) Feb 22, 2024 @ 11:07am 
Originally posted by Imhotep:
Originally posted by bacon:
wondering how folks feel about this. on one hand, life leech is a staple of diablo-style grinders. on the other hand, its such a staple that it obsoletes anything else that it displaces in that given choice slot. seems unreasonable to believe that life leech wouldnt automatically be the best choice for any character, though it might depend somewhat on whether it is an on-kill effect or an on-hit or on-damage effect.

Life leech is pointless in this game also.

Every time you go to a new biome you get one shot regardless so thats totally useless.

Until you compete it then you get two or three shot after you build the armor and the weapon.

this is a false claim in every way. you dont get 1 shot in a new biome if you are wearing regular biome progress armor and have proper food buffs active.

so it aint pointless.
Imhotep Feb 22, 2024 @ 11:08am 
Originally posted by bacon:
Originally posted by Imhotep:

Life leech is pointless in this game also.

Every time you go to a new biome you get one shot regardless so thats totally useless.

Until you compete it then you get two or three shot after you build the armor and the weapon.

literally none of that is true.

Yes it is actually. All of it is true.

Get to Plains with best silver armor and get stung by a bee? Deth.

Yes its all true. 100%. Look it up. Test it.

Oh? Lox do the same thing. Oh? Goblins do the same thing.

Mist lands EXTREMELY does the same thing. The first two biomes don't. Thats it.
Nerevar (Banned) Feb 22, 2024 @ 11:09am 
Originally posted by i have 2024 vision fear me:
I'd say it depends on what the enemies will be, with something like a DoT, it could probably be quite useful. I can imagine there might be some sort of burn DoT inflicted by some enemies judging by the whole lava and ash theme, and if it is strong enough a life steal would be beneficial absolutely, but again, depends on how it might get applied. If most enemy attacks are rather easy to dodge, or if you're skilled enough to evade most enemy attacks by simple kiting or timing your rolls, then damage will probably be better in a lot of cases. Enemies die quicker = gives enemies less opportunities to attack you = less damage dealt to you.

Unless you're going a whole tank style playstyle life steal would be good, but currently there are no items or armours that would incentivize doing so. I did however see that they are adding 3/4 new armours to Ashlands though (?) which might include more varied playstyles; damage, jack-of-all-trades, tank, etc. Which i do love to see.

Also is it confirmed that the blood enchantment does life steal ? Trying to find more about it but can't really find anything.

its not confirmed for anything yet aside it beeing called blood enchantment by the devs. we have zero details on any of the 2 new effects. lighting is probaly the same as himin afl tough albeit with a fancier animation on it.

the other 2 enchants are unknown on what they do. tc is just speculating like all of us.
Imhotep Feb 22, 2024 @ 11:09am 
Originally posted by Nerevar:
Originally posted by Imhotep:

Life leech is pointless in this game also.

Every time you go to a new biome you get one shot regardless so thats totally useless.

Until you compete it then you get two or three shot after you build the armor and the weapon.

this is a false claim in every way. you dont get 1 shot in a new biome if you are wearing regular biome progress armor and have proper food buffs active.

so it aint pointless.

Didn't lie, its all true. Unless you adjust the sliders now.

You literally get one shot by everything until you upgrade your current armor for the most recent biome to maximum. And it HAS to be the warrior armor because if you try to make anything else, everything two biomes prior will one shot you.
Last edited by Imhotep; Feb 22, 2024 @ 11:10am
Nerevar (Banned) Feb 22, 2024 @ 11:10am 
Originally posted by Imhotep:
Originally posted by bacon:

literally none of that is true.

Yes it is actually. All of it is true.

Get to Plains with best silver armor and get stung by a bee? Deth.

Yes its all true. 100%. Look it up. Test it.

Oh? Lox do the same thing. Oh? Goblins do the same thing.

Mist lands EXTREMELY does the same thing. The first two biomes don't. Thats it.

none of it is true.

you arent useing food if you get 1 shot. so yeah. play the game properly and you never get 1 shot on regular settings.
bacon Feb 22, 2024 @ 11:10am 
Originally posted by Imhotep:
Originally posted by bacon:

literally none of that is true.

Yes it is actually. All of it is true.

Get to Plains with best silver armor and get stung by a bee? Deth.

Yes its all true. 100%. Look it up. Test it.

Oh? Lox do the same thing. Oh? Goblins do the same thing.

Mist lands EXTREMELY does the same thing. The first two biomes don't. Thats it.

putting you on ignore. first time in this forum. congrats on setting such a low bar.
Nerevar (Banned) Feb 22, 2024 @ 11:11am 
Originally posted by Imhotep:
Originally posted by Nerevar:

this is a false claim in every way. you dont get 1 shot in a new biome if you are wearing regular biome progress armor and have proper food buffs active.

so it aint pointless.

Didn't lie, its all true. Unless you adjust the sliders now.

ok youre clearly trolling now.
Imhotep Feb 22, 2024 @ 11:12am 
Originally posted by Nerevar:
Originally posted by Imhotep:

Didn't lie, its all true. Unless you adjust the sliders now.

ok youre clearly trolling now.

Nope. I'm never a troll.

Also, calling someone a troll in todays era means "I don't have an arguement to disprove them so i'm going to call them a troll and or block them and or say i'm going to block them to discredit you further."
Last edited by Imhotep; Feb 22, 2024 @ 11:12am
bacon Feb 22, 2024 @ 11:15am 
Originally posted by Nerevar:
Originally posted by i have 2024 vision fear me:
I'd say it depends on what the enemies will be, with something like a DoT, it could probably be quite useful. I can imagine there might be some sort of burn DoT inflicted by some enemies judging by the whole lava and ash theme, and if it is strong enough a life steal would be beneficial absolutely, but again, depends on how it might get applied. If most enemy attacks are rather easy to dodge, or if you're skilled enough to evade most enemy attacks by simple kiting or timing your rolls, then damage will probably be better in a lot of cases. Enemies die quicker = gives enemies less opportunities to attack you = less damage dealt to you.

Unless you're going a whole tank style playstyle life steal would be good, but currently there are no items or armours that would incentivize doing so. I did however see that they are adding 3/4 new armours to Ashlands though (?) which might include more varied playstyles; damage, jack-of-all-trades, tank, etc. Which i do love to see.

Also is it confirmed that the blood enchantment does life steal ? Trying to find more about it but can't really find anything.

its not confirmed for anything yet aside it beeing called blood enchantment by the devs. we have zero details on any of the 2 new effects. lighting is probaly the same as himin afl tough albeit with a fancier animation on it.

the other 2 enchants are unknown on what they do. tc is just speculating like all of us.

im predicting that storm will add lightning damage and related stagger (lightning is the only non-physical attack which adds stagger). this will be the "offensive" enhantment as lightning is a universal damage dealer today. no enemies resist lightning (odin's power, lore-wise) and it does bonus damage against "wet" as well.

blood is life leech. i cant imagine this being anything else, having played video games for over 30 years. the insinuation is too deeply rooted. thematically, the only other possibility i can think of is a bleed effect (DOT).

nature is a question. could be passive regen of all stat bars, like health, stamina, magic.

we also don't know if only melee weapons can be enchanted. they havent commented on whether you can enchant a staff or bow. they did say that only flametal-based weapons can be enchanted.
Last edited by bacon; Feb 22, 2024 @ 11:19am
Nerevar (Banned) Feb 22, 2024 @ 11:16am 
Originally posted by Imhotep:
Originally posted by Nerevar:

ok youre clearly trolling now.

Nope. I'm never a troll.

Also, calling someone a troll in todays era means "I don't have an arguement to disprove them so i'm going to call them a troll and or block them and or say i'm going to block them to discredit you further."

YOU have absolutly NO evidence of your claims.

go ahead. make a video of the following :

you enter plains in silver armor. with 2 hp and 1 stamina food active that are MOUNTAIN TIER or swamp tier atleast. silver armor is all level 1.

you have full hp.

press f2. so people can see you arent cheating or trying to fool them.

get hit by mosquito.

you wont die.

until you do that : troll.
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