grausten advantages?

[jonnin]

Is there any reason to build with it? It does not seem to ignore lava blob damage or provide any major upgrade over older materials. I get that the roof won't catch on fire, but I think I am not gonna be building much in the ashlands so table that one perk and tell me anything else special about it? I am specifically hating the small windows, ugly flooring, and aggravating no-real-corner roof and thinking to not use it much unless there is a major reason to do so. Thin 'rock' walls are nice, so I may mix those with traditional stone.

Thanks!

[Nerevar]

grausten has SLIGHTLY better support than marble. but worse resistences overall. some pieces have slightly more hp than marble but the generel weakness to pickaxe dmg makes it a very poor material for outer base walls.

its great for high tower building due to the slim walls when you got limited space for the tower.

[Faceplant]

I just mentioned this in another thread, but where's the 2x1, or even 1x1 wall piece? How do you fill a 2x1 section over a 2x3 door?

Also, why does a 4x2 wall piece cost twice as much as the stone equivalent?

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Faceplant8 の投稿を引用：

I just mentioned this in another thread, but where's the 2x1, or even 1x1 wall piece? How do you fill a 2x1 section over a 2x3 door?

Also, why does a 4x2 wall piece cost twice as much as the stone equivalent?

Because developers of this "used to be a masterpiece" game became rock bottom lazy. Im doing a fresh zero-to-firelands playthrough, and im in tears, much like Moder. They even managed to screw up the old world which was perfect. For example, whats going on with stone golems? Why they respawn non stop? Even during a boss fight. There are more stone golems than wolves nowadays.

Playing on normal btw. When developers add difficulty sliders for everything - that means they can no longer be arsed to playtest/balance anything. Just slap some polygons together and call it a content update.

[Nerevar]

Faceplant8 の投稿を引用：

I just mentioned this in another thread, but where's the 2x1, or even 1x1 wall piece? How do you fill a 2x1 section over a 2x3 door?

Also, why does a 4x2 wall piece cost twice as much as the stone equivalent?

you could also ask why grausten has a 4x4 FLOOR piece and the other materials dont. or why the marble CORNER STAIR or 4x4 wall piece or double plinth pieces never got added.

the answer is the devs want us to mix up materials for building and not only use 1 type of material.

didnt stop me from building my giant marble fortress of course. but you have to get creative to find solutions. currently trying to figure out how to get the flametal gate to work with marble.

[jonnin]

thanks guys!
Hmm. let me look at flame gate & marble. I have ideas..

[Jbones]

Nerevar の投稿を引用：

Faceplant8 の投稿を引用：

I just mentioned this in another thread, but where's the 2x1, or even 1x1 wall piece? How do you fill a 2x1 section over a 2x3 door?

Also, why does a 4x2 wall piece cost twice as much as the stone equivalent?

you could also ask why grausten has a 4x4 FLOOR piece and the other materials dont. or why the marble CORNER STAIR or 4x4 wall piece or double plinth pieces never got added.

the answer is the devs want us to mix up materials for building and not only use 1 type of material.

didnt stop me from building my giant marble fortress of course. but you have to get creative to find solutions. currently trying to figure out how to get the flametal gate to work with marble.

i like mixing stone and marble for a checkered or layered pattern because they seem to look good together - however i can't see the grausten fitting in with that combo.

[jonnin]

This looks good from the outside, but inside I ended up making the doors totally square and blotting out the arches of the doors to close the gaps. Depends on whether you want it to look 'right' from a role playing feel, or 'good from the screenshot', or something else I guess. I am pleased with this for an exterior look, but the other side of it was trash and so it falls into the 'screenshot' category sadly. I may keep messing with it... but this is what I was able to do in 30 min or so. The large blocks with the slanted cut almost but not quite match the arch angle enough to wing it. The arches in BM don't fit at all.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3258540798

about all you can say is they work (you can open and go through) and they look good from one side. Challenging task ...

[Darren Daulton]

jonnin の投稿を引用：

This looks good from the outside, but inside I ended up making the doors totally square and blotting out the arches of the doors to close the gaps. Depends on whether you want it to look 'right' from a role playing feel, or 'good from the screenshot', or something else I guess. I am pleased with this for an exterior look, but the other side of it was trash and so it falls into the 'screenshot' category sadly. I may keep messing with it... but this is what I was able to do in 30 min or so. The large blocks with the slanted cut almost but not quite match the arch angle enough to wing it. The arches in BM don't fit at all.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3258540798

about all you can say is they work (you can open and go through) and they look good from one side. Challenging task ...

Looks gorgeous from this side.

* Edit : except that gap on the bottom right side of the door that you're kinda standing in front of. But it looks like that can be fixed.

[Steve]

One very good reason to build with it is that it's a very strong material that is incredibly common in its biome. It takes little to no effort to fill BMCs with grausten.

It's also efficiently sized. Dropping down a portalhaus with grausten is done in seconds.

[Darren Daulton]

Steve the Player of Games の投稿を引用：

One very good reason to build with it is that it's a very strong material that is incredibly common in its biome. It takes little to no effort to fill BMCs with grausten.

It's also efficiently sized. Dropping down a portalhaus with grausten is done in seconds.

This is a great reason.

I used the grausten to build a tame pit for the asksvin, I made it triple thick slightly air gapped. Unfortunately the asksvin attack was still able to hit through all three layers, so I just kept it repaired on the outside layer. This was a 1*, i'm not sure how it will hold up against a 2*

[jonnin]

That is a good thought. I am on creative building setting and its not meaning much to my game, but its a point well taken.

[Faceplant]

Nerevar の投稿を引用：

Faceplant8 の投稿を引用：

I just mentioned this in another thread, but where's the 2x1, or even 1x1 wall piece? How do you fill a 2x1 section over a 2x3 door?

Also, why does a 4x2 wall piece cost twice as much as the stone equivalent?

you could also ask why grausten has a 4x4 FLOOR piece and the other materials dont. or why the marble CORNER STAIR or 4x4 wall piece or double plinth pieces never got added.

the answer is the devs want us to mix up materials for building and not only use 1 type of material.

didnt stop me from building my giant marble fortress of course. but you have to get creative to find solutions. currently trying to figure out how to get the flametal gate to work with marble.

That's all well and good, but it doesn't help when it's night time in a new biome with skeletons with swords coming at me, and all I want to do is plug the hole over the door so nothing sees me!

I'm not trying to build a castle. I just want to build some walls around me and a roof over my head with what's available.

On a related subject, I'm still not convinced that there actually is stone in Ashlands. I may have picked up a couple of pieces, but I don't think I've ever actually seen a stone on the ground or hit a rock and gotten stone out of it, which is a serious problem when so many basic build elements rely on stone.

[Nerevar]

Faceplant8 の投稿を引用：

Nerevar の投稿を引用：

you could also ask why grausten has a 4x4 FLOOR piece and the other materials dont. or why the marble CORNER STAIR or 4x4 wall piece or double plinth pieces never got added.

the answer is the devs want us to mix up materials for building and not only use 1 type of material.

didnt stop me from building my giant marble fortress of course. but you have to get creative to find solutions. currently trying to figure out how to get the flametal gate to work with marble.

That's all well and good, but it doesn't help when it's night time in a new biome with skeletons with swords coming at me, and all I want to do is plug the hole over the door so nothing sees me!

I'm not trying to build a castle. I just want to build some walls around me and a roof over my head with what's available.

On a related subject, I'm still not convinced that there actually is stone in Ashlands. I may have picked up a couple of pieces, but I don't think I've ever actually seen a stone on the ground or hit a rock and gotten stone out of it, which is a serious problem when so many basic build elements rely on stone.

if you pickaxe regular ground you still get stone. but the ruins and rock spires are purely grausten.

i managed to git the flametal gate in the main bulwark and now it will act as a main entrance gate as its the only land access point to the base (for non flyers)

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3258627809

the rounded overhead arch was the hardest to git in correctly and the outer side looks less perfect but that cannot be helped sadly since the marble arch doesnt fit the gates shape perfectly and no other piece works at all.

[Nerevar]

Steve the Player of Games の投稿を引用：

One very good reason to build with it is that it's a very strong material that is incredibly common in its biome. It takes little to no effort to fill BMCs with grausten.

It's also efficiently sized. Dropping down a portalhaus with grausten is done in seconds.

this is actually supriseingly not true at all (in regards to the VERY strong material its definitly common as hell lol). while it isnt a weak material it has a serious weakness that for example asksvins and morgens can exploit extremely well.

grausten
sadly it does not share the elemental immunity of marble and takes 50% from all elements. now in case of frost and lighting thats irrelevant in ashlands of course. the fire one is a suprise tough. one would think this stone is atleast fireproof.

so why is it not a very strong material despite all this? well. the reason is this trait of grausten :

its WEAK vs PICKAXE dmg. marble is neutral vs this dmg type. this means grausten takes yellow dmg from pickaxe and 1.5 the dmg from enemies dealing this dmg type. on of top of thier phys dmg.

and sadly asksvins and morgens both are capable of dealing this type of dmg in very high amounts. this is the reason why morgens are literaly wrecking balls to grausten ruins. and a pack of asksvins has no trouble breaking grausten rocks or walls down.

graustens main perks are its higher support values vs marble or stone. sadly they still dont surprass or come even close to iron/copper supports so not sure how useful that is overall. the main use of this is tower building. the horizontal loss is only slightly better than marble and it still isnt enough to hold itself up. might be slightly helpful horizontally on bridges tough. but towers are where grausten clearly shines the most. or silly large halls.

[Happy]

I built some around my hearth, as I prefer to sink mine into the ground so its half clipped into the floor beneath (about a foot or so above the fire from the hearth). Can only imagine it would be both beneficial for fire settings but also so nobody accidentally walks into it. I'll throw out a few screenshots later.