The devs have failed to build upon their succes

[Fenrir]

The core gameplay of valheim is awesome, people loved this game. Despite the huge succes, the devs have failed to keep up.
I know many friends who would love to keep playing this game but the lack of updates and the failed mistlands update have all made them quit.

Skins would have been a great way for the devs to get patch the game with financial support.

[Fuhrer]

Originally posted by Who Dat:

mistlands update was a success, weather you liked it or not does not validate the update, that's your own personal opinion. Terrain too jagged and vertical? oh well its still a valid update. too much mist in mistlands? oh well better than not following through with the update at all.

Pot meet kettle - whether you liked it or not doesn't validate it either. :)

[Sunny]

Originally posted by Fuhrer:

Pot meet kettle - whether you liked it or not doesn't validate it either. :)

It's content and an update. That doesn't have to be validated. That was their point; your opinion does not change those things.

[hypehype]

when you have already given them your money it is hard to stay motivated.

Reason why I no longer buy early access games.

[Drosta]

Originally posted by hypehype:

when you have already given them your money it is hard to stay motivated.

Reason why I no longer buy early access games.

I very rarely buy into early access anymore because the story almost always ends the same way. When I do, it's because what's available in the early access is relatively well made and complete. But that's pretty rare. Valheim made the cut, and to this day I'd say i got a good deal on it. But I understand why people are frustrated, for many it's probably the first time they've seen an early access bank a giant windfall of cash and then cut and run. It's not my first rodeo. lol, and IGS obviously hasn't done that yet, not fully.

edited to give the below context --

Originally posted by Drosta:

Bingo.

I said the same thing many comments ago. You can see the evidence for yourself in the fact that they ported the game to xbox before finishing it. Because that's where the sales are. A platform port is a big job, and that's where they put their resources. Obviously. Lol. Wake up and smell the coffee folks. Just be happy the game was playable when they released it because without the financial incentive development will be this slow in perpetuity. Get used to it.

Originally posted by loppantorkel:

You're aware of that IGS hired an external dev team to port Valheim to Xbox? Why wouldn't they port it when they had the means to hire a team to do it for them? You're not negatively affected by it.

With respect to what some guy said above, quoting me for pointing out they allocated their resources to the xbox port as what.. being invalid? because they hired a team to do it for them? No. I don't think it does that at all. In fact It makes my point perfectly. Further development of the game costs time and money. To justify that expense, good business practice would dictate there should be a reasonable return on that investment. I didn't criticise them for it I just said I expected it and so should the rest of you. As for the final statement that it doesn't have a negative impact, that's just nonsense. Of course it has a negative impact. They chose to allocate resources to that side of development and not the actual game lol. Seriously? that's your argument? Like I said, I understand why they did that but to act like it wasn't an impactful decision is ludicrous.

[Preacher]

Immediately invalidated argument when OP proposed skins

[Kamijes]

Originally posted by Reften:

Originally posted by KiNG:

What a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ joke, game will be "finished" in 2035 at this rate

you can't be serious can you? $20 game has more content than multiple $60 games combined.

you can do all the content within 10 hours and after that its a base building game.
tf you mean multiple $60 games combined xd

[retsam1]

Originally posted by Kamijes:

Originally posted by Reften:

you can't be serious can you? $20 game has more content than multiple $60 games combined.

you can do all the content within 10 hours and after that its a base building game.
tf you mean multiple $60 games combined xd

Sorry but saying that a new player with no prior knowledge of the game can blow through it all in 10 hours is disingenuous of you to claim.

[Donttouchmyhohos]

Originally posted by loppantorkel:

Originally posted by M'Hael:

Like I said, you and people like you will defend and excuse every action or inaction...it doesn't matter what it is.

I just call you out on the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and baseless accusations. I've agreed about the development being slow - that's valid criticism. Though you don't know or understand the cause of it. You speculate wildly and claim things, which leads to misinformation.

You accuse me of spreading misinformation, using cheap tactics, or creating my own narrative because you refuse to acknowledge whats plain to see.

No, I accuse you of those things because it's what you do - that is plain to see.

Originally posted by M'Hael:

.... They added magic and eytir in Mistlands, pretty much the only thing that has been added to this game in 3 years that wasn't a reskin and rename of same item that existed in the prior biome, which was also a rename and reskin of an item that existed in the biome prior to that prior biome...all the way back to the Meadows...

For example - one of many: Are the enemies in Mistlands just reskins and renames from prior biomes? ..or did you mean something else in your claim that "pretty much the only thing that has been added to this game in 3 years.." [was magic and eytir]. It's just dishonest rhetoric. I'm not making excuses for the devs, I'm showing you that your claims aren't truthful. It's misinformation for the sake of making an argument. Call the development slow all you want but don't make stuff up.

You know when the game released 3 years ago it also came with a a 2021 road map of things they were planning on doing within the span of the rest of that year...3 years later and that road map still isn't completed...the lack of development isn't some delusional fantasy I've created in my mind...this is the objective truth of the matter.

The roadmap (which never is a promise or a thing cut in stone) that the devs scrapped and openly told the community about? Yes, I remember it. Most of it has been implemented with plenty of extra things added which wasn't in the roadmap. They been working on Ashlands, which wasn't in the roadmap, for the past year, so bringing up the roadmap now isn't a good point. Again - the development is slower than expected. It's not an abandoned game, just slower. The delusion is that barely anything has happened since the Early Access release.

Like this part that you posted: "So..? your feeling that this money should equate faster development is just a feeling. Time to give it up and accept reality - it doesn't."

You completely misinterpret and twist what I have said...you cherry pick 3-4 words out of an entire paragraph and then interpret them in whatever manner is most beneficial to your point of view. Them doing hundreds of millions in sales has negatively impacted the development speed of the game because all pressure and concerns about having to sell their product have been removed. You really need to check yourself before you go throwing accusations around...especially so when you are cherry picking, intentionally misinterpreting, and peppering your posts will underhanded insults...all while accusing others of these actions.

Ah.. the huge misinterpretation of assuming you were one of those who believe that the development would speed up with money, instead you're one of those you believe the development has slowed down because of money and complacency.
I get that you strongly feel this way, but there's little ground for it. It feels good to have something to blame when things aren't going the way you want and rich devs who aren't developing your game fast enough is easier to attack than.. say mental illness due to internal/external pressure to satisfy millions of gamers (this is purely a hypothetical without grounds too, but made to make a point). Have IGS been working on full capacity? They redid Mistlands I believe. This likely wouldn't have happened if the game wasn't so successful. I agree that the success likely has extended the development time of Valheim, but I think it's for other reasons than you believe. I think it will lead to a better product in the end.

Originally posted by Drosta:

Bingo.

I said the same thing many comments ago. You can see the evidence for yourself in the fact that they ported the game to xbox before finishing it. Because that's where the sales are. A platform port is a big job, and that's where they put their resources. Obviously. Lol. Wake up and smell the coffee folks. Just be happy the game was playable when they released it because without the financial incentive development will be this slow in perpetuity. Get used to it.

You're aware of that IGS hired an external dev team to port Valheim to Xbox? Why wouldn't they port it when they had the means to hire a team to do it for them? You're not negatively affected by it.

They stated why its slow near launch. They dont want to compromise the quality and didn't want to really hire more help from its success. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuY-E53vQp0&ab_channel=LastKnownMeal so yes, the slowness is stated and intentional.

[Space Boy]

One year the 5 december are pass since the mistland biome, the developement took 8 month. One year and nothing again wtf! I guess 2-3 year again for the 2 last biome !

[yeknod]

Honestly, I am astounded when I hear people say Valheim is light on content. So many biomes. So many weapons, enemies, and tactical situations. It has sailing, mining, fighting, crafting, building. It will take me weeks and weeks of game time to progress through. The creative options in terms of a base structure are literally endless. If someone is tired with the grind, or pales at the commitment to harvest all the resources needed for upgrades, I get it. This is human exhaustion. It's natural. The game is brilliant but VERY HARD.

[smbgood]

I liked Valheim when it initially came out due to the novelty. The initial learning curve was fun but once I put the game down and came back like a month later I'd forgotten all the stuff I'd planned out in the game, where all my stashes were and such and since your inventory is so limited, I said F it and basically just took to sailing towards the edge of the map with the new casual difficulty features turned on so I can just explore. I wanted there to be some more quest content but the devs have went the more sandbox approach it seems. I'm not a GamerTM so don't care much to get sweaty trying to progress so to me this one I chalk it up as a fail

[M'Hael]

Originally posted by loppantorkel:

For example - one of many: Are the enemies in Mistlands just reskins and renames from prior biomes? ..or did you mean something else in your claim that "pretty much the only thing that has been added to this game in 3 years.." [was magic and eytir]. It's just dishonest rhetoric. I'm not making excuses for the devs, I'm showing you that your claims aren't truthful. It's misinformation for the sake of making an argument. Call the development slow all you want but don't make stuff up.

You keep doing it...I never said anything about the enemies, I said the game play loop and items are recycled and reused in every biome. There are very few novel things outside of the first biome. People act like there are hundreds of items in this game...there really isn't when you actually think about. They are the same items with incrementally higher damage/armor and higher stamina usage, besides that there is hardly anything that makes one item different from any other item of that same item type besides its name and looks. The closest you get is the Feather Cape with slow fall (which trivializes the dangers of falling for better or worse) and Mist Walker/Frostner with cold damage for a slow debuff...there are obviously a few others like root armors + bow skill and movement speed on Fenris...but you get the point. Bronze, Iron, Silver, Black Metal, Soft tissue is all just re-skinned "ore" to make the same re-skinned 1H sword or chest armor. Smelter, Blast Furnace, Eityr Refinery are all the same thing, re-skinned to refine the re-skinned ore. Forge and Black Forge are pretty obvious. There isn't necessarily anything wrong with this..but it isn't like they are sitting there working on these new complex mechanics and modifiers and how they will interact with the existing game...they have to figure out a new name and figure out what the skin is going to look like. The damage or armor is 2 points higher than the fully upgraded item version from the previous biome.

Originally posted by yeknod:

Honestly, I am astounded when I hear people say Valheim is light on content. So many biomes. So many weapons, enemies, and tactical situations. It has sailing, mining, fighting, crafting, building. It will take me weeks and weeks of game time to progress through. The creative options in terms of a base structure are literally endless. If someone is tired with the grind, or pales at the commitment to harvest all the resources needed for upgrades, I get it. This is human exhaustion. It's natural. The game is brilliant but VERY HARD.

Grind doesn't equal content.

[OftheTarRealm]

Failed no one. You knew it was an early access title! I've been in early access with 7DTD for a decade. Am I crying? NO! I am thankful because experimental titles like this have saved gaming for me and many others. Let's see you make a game sir or ma'am. They have failed no one but narcissist children with patience issues and parents that tell them "they are special". Rome was not built in a day.

[LiminalSpaceman]

Anyone who is actually defending Valheim's content pace in here either JUST bought it, so they have no clue how little "game" there is to it or are incredibly naive.

[Kaguggah]

I love the game the way it is. I do not have any problem with the "slow" approach of the devs to bring content. Some people need to de-acclererate. Also, the Mistlands Update was a huge success for me! When the community started to cry and claim that it would be too hard, the game took a bad turn in order to please the soft gamers.