Drawbacks for cheating?

[Karax]

I read somewhere about a cheat to make your character fly.

I was wandering if I should do it because, I really don't feel like trying to start all over again just to have another cheap death, I was looking for a place to dock my longboat, and just as I was reaching the corner of the black forest, I got ambushed out of nowhere by a deathsquito, I confused the meadows for the plains .... I had everything on that boat, all the materials...

[VulcanTourist]

Originally posted by knighttemplar1960:

Originally posted by VulcanTourist:

You've been socially indoctrinated, like a child in a Catholic or Evangelical Christian family taught to feel shame for sexuality. Until you recognize that, you will continue to feel guilty about "cheating" just like that child.

When you use dev commands or mods to wave all the challenges out of the way you don't get to experience the game and you lose the sense of accomplishment you get from doing it the hard way and succeeding.

There's your problem: you're not playing the game for enjoyment, you're playing it for EGO. Do you think so little of yourself? Are you really so impotent otherwise?

[vinyblaster]

Originally posted by VulcanTourist:

Originally posted by knighttemplar1960:

When you use dev commands or mods to wave all the challenges out of the way you don't get to experience the game and you lose the sense of accomplishment you get from doing it the hard way and succeeding.

There's your problem: you're not playing the game for enjoyment, you're playing it for EGO. Do you think so little of yourself? Are you really so impotent otherwise?

And maybe you need to chill on the judgmental posts?

Maybe for some people this is fun. Doing something hard the legit way?

[knighttemplar1960]

Originally posted by VulcanTourist:

Originally posted by knighttemplar1960:

When you use dev commands or mods to wave all the challenges out of the way you don't get to experience the game and you lose the sense of accomplishment you get from doing it the hard way and succeeding.

There's your problem: you're not playing the game for enjoyment, you're playing it for EGO. Do you think so little of yourself? Are you really so impotent otherwise?

What? Have you so little skill or experience that the only way to get any enjoyment out of anything in life is to handwave away any challenge? Is your ego so fragile that you can't stand losing to the point that you can't handle or find any fun in the experience unless you stack the deck to ensure that you have a quick and overwhelming victory? The challenge is enjoyable whether I win or not. Certainly winning makes it more enjoyable, winning when the odds are against you is better still. Losing means that I learned something and will be able to do even better in the future. The only thing I learn from losing because my opponent stacked the deck in his favor is not to play against him in the future and he gets nothing out of the win (except perhaps for a quick ego boost if he's that unscrupulous) he KNOWS it wasn't his skill, knowledge, or experience that earned him his win.

I'm a rated chess player. I once had the opportunity to play against a chess master. I didn't win, I didn't draw, but I did play that particular match at a level higher than my rating and it was FUN. It would have been a very hollow victory indeed if I had all my pawns and pieces at the beginning of the match and the chess master only had his king.

[VulcanTourist]

Originally posted by vinyblaster:

Maybe for some people this is fun. Doing something hard the legit way?

I used to cycle in part for ego, trying to best my own endurance distances, first half centuries, then centuries, then centuries and a half or adding mountain climbing. This is a bloody GAME. Playing games for ego, and people do, is just sad.

[Aurumworks]

Yeah, why would anyone want to brag about their personal achievements on the internet. It's just sad.

[Oakshield]

Originally posted by Karax:

I read somewhere about a cheat to make your character fly.

I was wandering if I should do it because, I really don't feel like trying to start all over again just to have another cheap death, I was looking for a place to dock my longboat, and just as I was reaching the corner of the black forest, I got ambushed out of nowhere by a deathsquito, I confused the meadows for the plains .... I had everything on that boat, all the materials...

As said before, it's making it easier to use the commands again after you've used them once.
And it only gets harder, as you will find more "excuses" to use them.
It may be starting by flying to a point on the map. But because you earlier had to sail around that island, flying will get you faster from A to B, so you go across the land. Thus missing out a part of the exploration, eventhough the map shows the area you flew over as being explored. (Kinda like that first part when you enter the game as "raven-cargo").
Then at some point you're building something and you are short of that one piece of wood or stone. So you disable the
requirements to build something and complete it. But next time when you want to build something, you think you may as well do it with the requirements disabled, meaning you won't go out to find the wood, stone or metals needed. Again, cutting back a part of the exploration of the game.


There is, however, a slight advantage if you use the command in the "right" way in your case.

First of all, instead of flying in a straight line, fly the similar route you have sailed. By doing so you won't "explore" parts of the map you haven't been at, thus keeping that part of the experience of the game intact.

Just be aware that while flying you're also sort of indestructable, as monsters will be allerted but can't attack you, meaning if that Deathsquito is still there it won't be able to kill you.
Something that changes the moment you disable that fly command.
Also, you won't be able to command the boat while flying, so you will have to "land". Do it from too much a height and you'll die.

If you don't want to use the fly-command, build yourself a raft and spend quite some time to "sail" there. Don't bring portal materials, just equip yourself with your second best gear - as the best is at your tombstone most likely - and prepare yourself to face that deathsquito.

Depending at how the wind is, release the rudder the moment you're close to your karve. Even a raft will float on for a while, so you may end up close enough to your karve to either jump at it, or have to do a short swim.
Keep a weapon and a shield out and prepare to parry at all time the moment you hear the deathsquito.
If you do hear it, bring up the shield and start looking around. Eventhough you won't do a proper parrying, it will bock the attack. And the moment it does that, strike. In 99 our of 100 cases that's an instant death........................... for the deathsquito.
After that you can get your karve and get the heck out of there.
Don't bother with the raft. It's materials are the easiest to gather anyway and last you want is to attract fullings or more deathsquitos with the noise you make when you destroy that thing.

Sail out in a straight line from the coast as creating more distance between you and two hostile biomes is your first priority now. Once you're safe, turn into another direction and start exploring again.

No matter which of the two options you choose,

Good luck!


Thorin :)

[VulcanTourist]

It's all about self-control. Apparently few people have it, since real actual cheating in society is so rampant. This game instance is still not cheating, and it's only counterproductive if the person fails to develop self-control.

[vinyblaster]

Originally posted by VulcanTourist:

Originally posted by vinyblaster:

Maybe for some people this is fun. Doing something hard the legit way?

I used to cycle in part for ego, trying to best my own endurance distances, first half centuries, then centuries, then centuries and a half or adding mountain climbing. This is a bloody GAME. Playing games for ego, and people do, is just sad.

Well, what you gonna do. Some play games for ego, some like to judge people online for ego.

[VulcanTourist]

Originally posted by vinyblaster:

Originally posted by VulcanTourist:

I used to cycle in part for ego, trying to best my own endurance distances, first half centuries, then centuries, then centuries and a half or adding mountain climbing. This is a bloody GAME. Playing games for ego, and people do, is just sad.

Well, what you gonna do. Some play games for ego, some like to judge people online for ego.

Like you're doing right now. Sorry you haven't got your fraternity membership card yet, it's in the mail, honest.

[Xea]

The drawback to cheating is boredom.

[tyrael]

Originally posted by knighttemplar1960:

Originally posted by VulcanTourist:

You've been socially indoctrinated, like a child in a Catholic or Evangelical Christian family taught to feel shame for sexuality. Until you recognize that, you will continue to feel guilty about "cheating" just like that child.

When you use dev commands or mods to wave all the challenges out of the way you don't get to experience the game and you lose the sense of accomplishment you get from doing it the hard way and succeeding. It has nothing to do with indoctrination, social or otherwise. You are only cheating yourself out of the experience and endorphin release from doing it the intended way and winning (the harder the challenge the sweeter the victory).

If you are going to mod a game or use console commands in such a way that you skip all the content so that you can string all the cut scenes together you probably should have just watched a movie, played a game that has no skill involved like Candy Land, or play single player Monopoly (the other players start out bankrupt. Yeah! You win right out of the gate! How amazing!). I can't think of a more boring way to play a game. A nice nap would have been a better use of the time.

Thank you for saying that. Finally someone else too! Arguing or rather discussing things with vulcan is utterly pointless. He's just too egocentric to recognize that certain things might be subjective.
But yeah, i thought the same. Using console commands in single player can still be called cheating cos one cheats oneself of the challange, of overcoming a hurdle (or possibly being forced to try playing with other people). Majority of people instinctively get that. Not to mention when we discuss experiences with the game having a leveled playing field for everyone is fair. Gaining an unfair advantage against your own ability in the context of standard playthru is still cheating. Doesnt have to be a bad thing per se, I mean if you're on your 10th playthru and wanna skip parts you got bored of but you know you're capable of doing them that's just saving time.

To me the very 1st playthru is the critical, crucial one, if you cheat your way thru it, you only cheapen the experience for yourself. You paid money for this experience, the whole thing, so why skip parts? Especially that there is no paid "solutions" to problems and the game comes across as a passion project not some single player booster ridden mess like some AAAs i wont even name.
Learning curve for valheim is steep and brutal, yes. Also thanks to that you learn quick. That's by design and overcoming difficulties that come with it is where part of the satisfaction comes from. If one thinks using console commands isnt cheating, sure you can have such morality but expecting others to have the same one is naive at best. Most people it seems call it cheating and rightly so but do recognize others' right to play the way they want. It can be called purism or social conditioning or other bs like that but those are weak excuses, the bitter truth is that's all they are. Excuses.

Once you start skipping death runs why not just cheat yourself 1k iron in for example? This sorta train of thought is a slippery slope cos in the end, in the extreme it leads to skipping the whole game cos nothing in it really comes "easy".

I strongly advice against using console commands, using mods and tweaking world settings, for the most part for your 1st playthru at least.

[Karax]

Thanks for all the feedback guys!

I appreciate your perspectives, and it also helped me make a decision.

So the way it went, I decided I won't "cheat", and tackled the challenge, the old fashioned way, I even recorded my journey.

As it happened, I had my karve lying around doing nothing, almost marooned at the shore, it felt like that boat was fated for this journey, so I grabbed a couple of things lying around in my base (1 iron mace, 1 troll pants, 1 leather helm, crafted a flint axe, grabbed a bow, some food) and away I went, following on my footsteps.

The journey was uneventful and the weather was also on my side, only at night the sea was a bit turbulent, but I reached my longboat just as dawn breaks.

All this took just around 22 minutes.

But then OH boy, ♥♥♥♥ hit the fan, just as I was approaching my longboat, from afar, it was destroyed, but the worst part was the cargo...the cargo was like at least 8 boxes lying around in the water, I could not possibly take them all, and the shoreline was dotted with deathsquitos, I managed to swat a few of them, but then fullings came, and destroyed my ass, throwing me back to square 1.

Now for me to recoup my losses, it would roughly take me around 3-4 hours, at this time, I've had enough, if I'll be back in the game, I'll most likely fly there (but not straight), grab my ♥♥♥♥ back to base, and start again.

[tyrael]

Thanks for sharing. THo you technically lost you do have more personal exp and you have an epic tale to tell!
If you're up for it i propose to join your world and help you get the corpse the legit way but in a party. I can bring my own supplies and a boat etc. It can be fun you know ;) and we could be dont in another 20 mins or so. Maybe 30, to not make a silly error.

In anyway i commend your bravery and true viking way of facing a challange - head on!

[Nerevar]

Originally posted by VulcanTourist:

Originally posted by Karax:

I read somewhere about a cheat to make your character fly.

I was wandering if I should do it because, I really don't feel like trying to start all over again just to have another cheap death, I was looking for a place to dock my longboat, and just as I was reaching the corner of the black forest, I got ambushed out of nowhere by a deathsquito, I confused the meadows for the plains .... I had everything on that boat, all the materials...

If you're playing solo, no one else participating in the game, then THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS CHEATING. Cheating requires that your actions gain you unfair advantage relative to someone else... but if you're playing alone there is no one else.

it remains cheating. your definition is wrong by default. cheating means not playing by the games rules anymore. but saying typeing in GODMODE or FLY is not cheating is.... simply silly. it is cheating. flat out. it doesnt matter if its cheating in singleplayer or in multiplayer. both is cheating.
a cheatcode remains a cheatcode. it doesnt matter where or how you use it. the only difference is : do you want to use it or not? but the meaning of cheating doesnt change due to that.

[Nerevar]

Originally posted by Karax:

Thanks for all the feedback guys!

I appreciate your perspectives, and it also helped me make a decision.

So the way it went, I decided I won't "cheat", and tackled the challenge, the old fashioned way, I even recorded my journey.

As it happened, I had my karve lying around doing nothing, almost marooned at the shore, it felt like that boat was fated for this journey, so I grabbed a couple of things lying around in my base (1 iron mace, 1 troll pants, 1 leather helm, crafted a flint axe, grabbed a bow, some food) and away I went, following on my footsteps.

The journey was uneventful and the weather was also on my side, only at night the sea was a bit turbulent, but I reached my longboat just as dawn breaks.

All this took just around 22 minutes.

But then OH boy, ♥♥♥♥ hit the fan, just as I was approaching my longboat, from afar, it was destroyed, but the worst part was the cargo...the cargo was like at least 8 boxes lying around in the water, I could not possibly take them all, and the shoreline was dotted with deathsquitos, I managed to swat a few of them, but then fullings came, and destroyed my ass, throwing me back to square 1.

Now for me to recoup my losses, it would roughly take me around 3-4 hours, at this time, I've had enough, if I'll be back in the game, I'll most likely fly there (but not straight), grab my ♥♥♥♥ back to base, and start again.

if you need help feel free to add me. shouldnt be a big deal to get the cargo and grave back. the nails from the longship might be a lost cause tough.

your problem is still legitly sloveable. its simply an error alot of new players make : getting too close to a plains biome before they are ready for it or parking the boat in the wrong place. thats part of the experience. you gotta learn from it. then youll never repeat such a mistake. i had such a death myself when i started. took 3 attempts. but i eventually recovered my ship and cargo and gear.