When will they buff the wisplight?

[DJ Protogen]

With or without it, there's only a very very slight difference

[M'Hael]

Probably never, the intention seems for you to be completely blind and see nothing.

[VulcanTourist]

It's already been buffed by no less than two mods. So has the Dvergr Circlet.

[DJ Protogen]

Originally posted by VulcanTourist:

It's already been buffed by no less than two mods. So has the Dvergr Circlet.

True but I shouldn't have to install mods for basic QoL.

[VulcanTourist]

Originally posted by Facts Dont Care About Feelings:

True but I shouldn't have to install mods for basic QoL.

This is not an ethical conundrum. You either use what agency you have to make the game better resemble what YOU want by using the incredible modding system that exists, or you keep declaring to other players here that it's unfair the way it is and that they should all band together with you to persuade the developers that the way YOU want the game should take precedence over their conscious design decision.

I don't like it the way that it is in vanilla, either, but I did something about it.

[blprice61]

Originally posted by VulcanTourist:

Originally posted by Facts Dont Care About Feelings:

True but I shouldn't have to install mods for basic QoL.

This is not an ethical conundrum. You either use what agency you have to make the game better resemble what YOU want by using the incredible modding system that exists, or you keep declaring to other players here that it's unfair the way it is and that they should all band together with you to persuade the developers that the way YOU want the game should take precedence over their conscious design decision.

I don't like it the way that it is in vanilla, either, but I did something about it.

The devs have occasionally yielded to public pressure and made changes - not holding my breath on this one though beyond hoping for a slider.

As far as mods being a solution... fine.. would be except for the fact that every update stands a decent chance of breaking mods. Rollback doesn't work because they always follow their first broken update with another update to fix the previous update. Leaving the player stuck until the mod dev fixes things. You can't even create a long term solution by freezing at a particular version because of Steam. So yeah, mods are nice but not an answer for a severe problem in the game.

[VulcanTourist]

Originally posted by blprice61:

As far as mods being a solution... fine.. would be except for the fact that every update stands a decent chance of breaking mods. Rollback doesn't work because they always follow their first broken update with another update to fix the previous update. Leaving the player stuck until the mod dev fixes things. You can't even create a long term solution by freezing at a particular version because of Steam. So yeah, mods are nice but not an answer for a severe problem in the game.

Yet mods work well enough if you're not lazy in how you approach it and make conscientious informed choices. Sorry that you have some PTSD about it. It's your loss.

[Kementiri]

Mistlight=garbage. I play on a non modded vanilla server and things should actually be useful without having to mod the crap out of it. The mistlight really is just eye candy as it hardly lights up anything and that also goes for the wisp torch. It lights up a TINY area around it but doesn't actually break though the mist. Saying that I need to mod something to make it work effectively is asinine.

[VulcanTourist]

Originally posted by Kementiri:

Saying that I need to mod something to make it work effectively is asinine.

And yet you do, so do you refuse on principle and suffer every minute in the Mistlands? Maybe stop playing the game entirely in nonviolent protest, in spite of a rather easy solution existing?

People who have agency to solve a problem should damned well use it, considering how often in life they will otherwise have none. at. all.

[Mr B.]

Originally posted by VulcanTourist:

Originally posted by Kementiri:

Saying that I need to mod something to make it work effectively is asinine.

And yet you do, so do you refuse on principle and suffer every minute in the Mistlands? Maybe stop playing the game entirely in nonviolent protest, in spite of a rather easy solution existing?

People who have agency to solve a problem should damned well use it, considering how often in life they will otherwise have none. at. all.

Rude tbh.

You understand feedback right?

There's been many, many changes based on feedback, and I agree, failings of the game shouldn't need to have mods done.

That said, it's opinion and I've used the mod. But it has since broken due to updates, which is more faffing about.

And faffing about, ISNT gaming.

Don't be that guy, comparing life to gaming.

Also, this is discussion boards for the game, so I think it's pretty on topic.

[VulcanTourist]

Originally posted by Mr B.:

Originally posted by VulcanTourist:

And yet you do, so do you refuse on principle and suffer every minute in the Mistlands? Maybe stop playing the game entirely in nonviolent protest, in spite of a rather easy solution existing?

People who have agency to solve a problem should damned well use it, considering how often in life they will otherwise have none. at. all.

You understand feedback right?

There's been many, many changes based on feedback, and I agree, failings of the game shouldn't need to have mods done.

So your enlightened version of "agency" is expending all your energy pleading, persuading, manipulating some "gods" - developers - to perceive what you want as a Common Good and thus deciding to implement it for your benefit, as opposed to using a mod from another "outsider" god that already exists and implements the same thing or, if you've been a god at times yourself, implementing what you want directly?

I think that might be the best definition of fanboi ever.

Originally posted by Mr B.:

That said, it's opinion and I've used the mod. But it has since broken due to updates, which is more faffing about.

Lame argument. At this moment there are THREE mods that address this that I have seen, and for one of them the feature was added new YESTERDAY and so it most certainly is functional with the current game version. One of the other two I've used successfully within the last week, and the third was being kept on standby but most likely also works because of the very limited intersection with the game.

But you remain diligent with your prayers and perhaps manna will fall.

[Samoth]

I concur they should fix things.
Just because it was designed this way or that, doesn't mean it is good or correct. People should be able to voice an opinion on their stance if they wish. It's easier to let sleeping dogs lie. And normally when I post I am attempting to speak directly to the company, the studio, the programmers and planners to reconsider some action. How else can we let them know if not to reply to them here. It is the simplest way except for those who'd rather stir the pot. If the studio or someone there takes issue with a response I'd let them handle it. I like hearing others viewpoints on what could change, tbh.
As I have had many others who felt compelled too respond to me, well that's cool, it is a public forum after all. But I also won't waste time responding to them either. Block seems to work okay, not well but functionally almost. I think there is a great deal of space to work in(for improvements), as long as the studio can be convinced to put forth some effort. Which too me is the larger issue at hand, they seem to have lost that passion. Wealth does change things. And I am also not a huge fan of Mists, nor will I be of funtime lavaland. I think the programmers actually hate the players sometimes(j/k). :)

[Oakshield]

Originally posted by Kementiri:

Mistlight=garbage. I play on a non modded vanilla server and things should actually be useful without having to mod the crap out of it. The mistlight really is just eye candy as it hardly lights up anything and that also goes for the wisp torch. It lights up a TINY area around it but doesn't actually break though the mist. Saying that I need to mod something to make it work effectively is asinine.

The wisplight isn'g "garbage", it's used wrong.

The light was never intended to be used when running; but instead to be used when walking.
The moment you run, you will always end up at the smaller part of the circle the wisplight makes, because you will run towards the edge. Meaning the most effective area of the wisplight is behind you, not in front of you.

Just walk when the wisplight is on and you'll notice it's very effective indeed.

Originally posted by VulcanTourist:

Originally posted by Mr B.:

You understand feedback right?

There's been many, many changes based on feedback, and I agree, failings of the game shouldn't need to have mods done.

So your enlightened version of "agency" is expending all your energy pleading, persuading, manipulating some "gods" - developers - to perceive what you want as a Common Good and thus deciding to implement it for your benefit, as opposed to using a mod from another "outsider" god that already exists and implements the same thing or, if you've been a god at times yourself, implementing what you want directly?

I think that might be the best definition of fanboi ever.

Funny to see that someone uses mods to change the initial concept of the game, because the mods "improve" the EARLY ACCESS game; but at the same time accuse others for not using them as being a "fanboi". Especially since that someone is bringing up the "use mods because they improve what the dev's broke" mantra in about each and every topic I've seen in the past two weeks.
Reminds me something about the cauldron calling the charcoal black.....


Thorin :)

[Mr B.]

Originally posted by VulcanTourist:

So your enlightened version of "agency" is expending all your energy pleading, persuading, manipulating some "gods" - developers - to perceive what you want as a Common Good and thus deciding to implement it for your benefit, as opposed to using a mod from another "outsider" god that already exists and implements the same thing or, if you've been a god at times yourself, implementing what you want directly?

I think that might be the best definition of fanboi ever.

I think your putting waaaaaaaay too much into this.

Gods? Common good? WTF are you on about?

It's quite simply feedback - there's loads of it about, and frankly your being rude to him saying what you did. It's really that simple.

Of course the irony being you lambasting me for using energy (notice you lie and state I'm pleading) when your doing something even worse. Moaning at those giving a different opinion.

Originally posted by VulcanTourist:

Lame argument. At this moment there are THREE mods that address this that I have seen, and for one of them the feature was added new YESTERDAY and so it most certainly is functional with the current game version. One of the other two I've used successfully within the last week, and the third was being kept on standby but most likely also works because of the very limited intersection with the game.

But you remain diligent with your prayers and perhaps manna will fall.

Once again, being offensive and saying things like 'prayers' trying to get an argument when it's just feedback. But you did prove my point in that it's faffing about. Since mine doesn't work (it might now I haven't checked - more faff), what you suggest is me taking time out to then find and install other ones.

Like I said, faff.

[Mharr]

Based on past experience, sometime just after the Ashlands rollout. The general intensity of the previous 'final' biome tends to get evened out once there's a new endgame to calibrate against.

['.The Sev.']

My only wish is that it pushed the mist back a little further, but too much of that would also counteract the intentionally claustrophobic design of the biome. I do wish wisp torches could withstand more than a couple smacks from a seeker, but I suppose I'm also just lazy and don't barricade them when I set up an outpost

My view has always been that wisplight/wisp torch has more been about dealing with the mist rather than lighting things up. We already have a ton of ways to light an area, and the fact that wisplight/torch requires no ongoing fuel should be an indicator that it SHOULDN'T be your mainstay of light (even if we like the calm blue glow)

Maybe you just need to adapt.