unpopular opinion. This game isnt "hard" its just an awful grind

[SupremeLeaderPie]

never had an issue with any boss or mob.

always have issues having to grind 100s if not 1000s of a resource, moving back and forth to get a resource you shouldnt need in a new zone.

its all padding.

the entirety of the game can be beaten in less that 10 hours if you change the resource spawn rate.

almost 100 iron for full armor? insane. thats without upgrades too.

if this game didnt have the presentation that it did, no one would like this game.

its runescape with more interactive combat in terms of grind. at least runescape has nostalgia going for it.

[SupremeLeaderPie]

Originally posted by DarkFaceGlow:

You must be early in your playthrough, because 100 iron isn't much. I'm over 1000 of most metals at this point and still playing. Be patient and do the work.

3rd playthrough.

in the mistlands right now.

group of 4 requiring literally 3-5000 metals for each person. all for a 5 minute boss fight where no one dies.

[SupremeLeaderPie]

Originally posted by blprice61:

Originally posted by SupremeLeaderPie:

what about this game makes it survival?

literally 0 survival mechanics present.

if you dont eat you dont die.

I could write im the king of sweden.

doesn't make it true

Tell ya what, don't eat, play game. You will die. Repeatedly.

In a nutshell you're complaining both that the game is too grindy and that it doesn't also have a starvation grind....

im complaining that the game is a horrible grind.

i dont care about starvation or food mechanics, im simply pointing out this game uses light survival mechanics if any.

if its a survival game or not is just semantics and distracts from the original point.

the game is just grind.

[SupremeLeaderPie]

Originally posted by MagerTrash:

im new to this game still and I love every aspect of it, not nearly as grindy as other games I played. Plus I see the survival aspect, you try to survive and progress further in the game to the point where you don't die as much (Hit the point on the head as a survival exploration game)

first 3 areas are fun, and the grind isnt really too bad at all in these areas as 90% of what you need at a given time can be found in that area.

when you get to the swamps you get your first grind. 300 total iron for tier 4 iron.

wait till you get out of the swamps. thats when the game falls off hard IMO.

[loppantorkel]

Originally posted by SupremeLeaderPie:

never had an issue with any boss or mob.

always have issues having to grind 100s if not 1000s of a resource, moving back and forth to get a resource you shouldnt need in a new zone.

its all padding.

the entirety of the game can be beaten in less that 10 hours if you change the resource spawn rate.

almost 100 iron for full armor? insane. thats without upgrades too.

Originally posted by SupremeLeaderPie:

3rd playthrough.

in the mistlands right now.

group of 4 requiring literally 3-5000 metals for each person. all for a 5 minute boss fight where no one dies.

About that critical thinking... Have you considered not grinding 5000 metals and fight the boss? You're the one deciding to grind as long as you do before attempting the boss. You never have issues with bosses, but you never try to take them on without the best gear?

I agree - there's grind in the game. ...but there's no need to do more than you want. I've never gone for the best gear and I have to spend more than 5' on the bosses. It's a win-win.
There's a good solution to your issues with the game.

[SupremeLeaderPie]

Originally posted by loppantorkel:

Originally posted by SupremeLeaderPie:

never had an issue with any boss or mob.

always have issues having to grind 100s if not 1000s of a resource, moving back and forth to get a resource you shouldnt need in a new zone.

its all padding.

the entirety of the game can be beaten in less that 10 hours if you change the resource spawn rate.

almost 100 iron for full armor? insane. thats without upgrades too.

Originally posted by SupremeLeaderPie:

3rd playthrough.

in the mistlands right now.

group of 4 requiring literally 3-5000 metals for each person. all for a 5 minute boss fight where no one dies.

About that critical thinking... Have you considered not grinding 5000 metals and fight the boss? You're the one deciding to grind as long as you do before attempting the boss. You never have issues with bosses, but you never try to take them on without the best gear?

I agree - there's grind in the game. ...but there's no need to do more than you want. I've never gone for the best gear and I have to spend more than 5' on the bosses. It's a win-win.
There's a good solution to your issues with the game.

so your telling me the game that parrots itself as "brutal exploration and survival game for 1-10 players" (this is pulled from the store page)

i dont need to play the rest of the game to beat a boss?

i dont need to actually get good gear to beat the boss?

i thought this was supposed to be BRUTAL.

Wowwie so awesome that the BRUTAL Hard game has boss fights you dont need good gear for. imagine in darksouls if you were able to take down a boss in a few minutes.

so you agree the game isnt actually hard? you spend 90% of your time getting gear then 10% fighting the boss?

in all 3 playthroughs so far with my group we havnt had 1 boss fight that was actually a challenge.

we prepared for modor and made sure everyone had stamina potions as well as frost resistance. we all maybe used one potion each in that fight. nobody dropped below 50%

I think of these bosses in terms of WOW or Darksouls bosses. Their is an immense buildup to these boss fights that end in disappointment.

[Subsonic]

Originally posted by SupremeLeaderPie:

Originally posted by soul-reever:

Don't play it then...

Y DID U PLAY GAME IF U NO LIKEY

bro come on, how can you know you dislike a game without playing it? like critical thinking at all

Visit any game forum, there are always trolls that say the game sucks but they don't even play it. That's basically 90% of the trolls in the Starfield forum at present. Definitely should try games that pique your interest but games will not appeal to everyone. Sounds like this one just doesn't do it for you. Fair enough.

Valheim is a survival game. Just because your opinion varies doesn't mean you're right. It's a survival game, by design and intent. Not all survival games have to feature a hardcore food meter that kills you. Put it this way, if you DON'T eat then you will die eventually. Not by hunger but by nearly any creature in the game that starts hitting you while you have minimal health.

So...resource gathering, exploration, base-building/defense, food system, crafting, open world/sandbox. What exactly is this game then, if not a survival game? It does have a grind element. Most survival games do. It's not really a game for players that need constant action/fighting, that's a different genre. Probably not a game for short attention span players either--most survival games don't cater to that twitch/OCD mentality.

You mention Dark Souls--this game is not as hard as dark souls and it never will be. If that's what you want then go play dark souls I guess. This is not a souls game. Your buildup to the bosses is at your discretion and skill level. If you need full gear to feel confident and bold then go for it. You don't need it if your fighting skills are decent. You do need some armor but if the grind is the part that bugs you then stop doing it and challenge yourself to fight the bosses without full equipment and top tier foods. Find your own sweet spot instead of needing the game to hold your hand.

[Fury Fairy]

Originally posted by SupremeLeaderPie:

we prepared for modor and made sure everyone had stamina potions as well as frost resistance

Dude, you claim to complete 3 or 4 runs, and up till that point have NO clue about how frost resistance potion ACTUALLY works (and when it becomes totally obsolete)? That clearly means you either bragging here for no reason, or... which is more likely - you absolutely have no clue how to play the game the RIGHT way. Hence all that rant about grind and stuff. Go read some forums and watch speedrunners on YT or whatever - these usually know a thing or two about the game, and something about main game mechanics. Peace!..

[blprice61]

What difficulty do you have the map modifiers set to?

[knighttemplar1960]

You should give No Man's Sky a try then. Its even less a survival game and its even more of a grind. The only reasons it doesn't seem like it is because the graphics are sharper (which means that it looks better on a higher end system that can run it) and its been out so long that they have added tons of content that is all variations of the same grind.

[vinyblaster]

Originally posted by Suzaku:

Originally posted by SupremeLeaderPie:

this isnt a survival game....

"A brutal exploration and survival game..."

Literally the first 6 words on the store page.

And? The devs can put whatever they want on the store page, it doesn't make it so.

[Lord Rumpkin]

There's world options to increase resource drops and remove portal restrictions. So the game is as grindy as you want it to be. Though somehow I suspect that won't be good enough for you.

[Zep Tepi]

You took a group of people in maxed out armor to defeat Moder. Ok, I see where you are coming from. You made the grind harder than it needs to be and made the boss fight easier than it needs to be. Classic case of overkill. Those two points of armor per upgrade aren't really worth it unless you're not a great fighter and aren't used to the game. If that's how you plan on playing it then you should crank up the difficulty settings. That's what they're there for. You could also increase the resource drop rates. That's what those are there for too. The devs have already offered a solution to your problem.

Compare this to a solo player who doesn't max out their armor doing the same thing. Much less grind and a lot more challenge. (That's what I do.)

The game's difficulty can change greatly simply based on how you go about playing it. This is one of the things that give it replayability. Change things up next time around. Use a different weapon. Try light armor. Go at the boss one at a time and see who can take it down the fastest.

I always figured the "brutal" part in the description refers to dropping your stuff when you die. Though that would be less of a problem if you have buddies to help you get your stuff back instead of running across the countryside by yourself in your underwear. (I could get dressed in old gear, but it's better to have a clean inventory for a snatch and grab.)

[Lucidess]

Originally posted by Fury Fairy:

Originally posted by SupremeLeaderPie:

we prepared for modor and made sure everyone had stamina potions as well as frost resistance

Dude, you claim to complete 3 or 4 runs, and up till that point have NO clue about how frost resistance potion ACTUALLY works (and when it becomes totally obsolete)? That clearly means you either bragging here for no reason, or... which is more likely - you absolutely have no clue how to play the game the RIGHT way. Hence all that rant about grind and stuff. Go read some forums and watch speedrunners on YT or whatever - these usually know a thing or two about the game, and something about main game mechanics. Peace!..

I wonder how many runs it takes before players start to realize "dodging is the best, i'm going to dodge everything now because everything attacks like a low level dark souls enemy" and then literally ascend to godhood to chill with Thor to have a beer, because at that point it doesn't matter how many runs you do. You can dodge!

[jonnin]

the grind can be completely eliminated with settings now.
You can set it so each thing drops a stack of its items or that nothing takes any materials to build. There is no 'grind' anymore.

[cookie]

i dont think - 'the game isnt hard its a grind ' is an unpopular opinion - its pretty accurate

when the game is finished it wont be different - its about grinding for stuff to get more stuff , to wear , to fight with , to build with- the simplicity of that is popular with lots of people -
i play it as an open ended rpg not a survival game - there are no quests other than the ones you can think of or get in a mod ...i like to explore the unexplored and rp a viking explorer -if i need mushrooms i dont get them from the nearest meadow - rather the farthest - hours and hours just floating around doing nothing - forget where i am sometimes
i dont really think it fits in the survival category because those elements arent really abut surviving as much as being better or stronger ie the food etc