Carapace vs. Padded armor

[jjrobinson2]

[First noted in the fan wiki.]
At the best upgrade available for Carapace armor, it has 34 armor and 1400 durability. Level 4 Padded armor has 32 armor and 1600 durability. What's the point?
Also, the Spine Snap bow is mostly inferior to Dragr Fang in most situations, especially since none of the Mistlands enemies is susceptible to spirit damage, as far as I can tell.
Why nerf the ML hadware?

[umop-apisdn]

To be fair, the required crafting table to make that is only currently able to get to level 2, which is preventing higher level upgrades from being accessible; the general consensus is that higher levels will be added as development progresses, thus resolving this "issue".

Early Access means "it's not done yet"; this suggests that the highest gear tiers are not complete, and/or not even in the game at this point. We've got at least two biomes still promised, so don't get all bent out of shape just because the level 3 and 4 Mistlands gear isn't accessible at the moment.

[Limer]

was the same with previous updates to the forge table and workbench.
You couldn't upgrade your Troll armor to lvl4 and not the padded either.
That changed with some upgrades that added more "workbench" "extensions".

[Empada]

looking at the images of the ashlands available, I supose the enemy will be some kind of undead, which the spirit damage will be very effective. but that is my speculation

[OctoberSky]

Ashlands also teases a new armor type so our Carapace set might already be obsolete, even with the VIce Grip upgrade to the Black Forge in the Hildir update. Not sure about the Galdr table and Eitr weave set since it depends on materials mostly available in Mistlands. Will the developers premier a new "sorcerer set" to replace Eitr weave and add in even more magic staff selections? If the past is any indication of the future, I would speculate affirmative.

[adritheonly]

Just build the Demolisher for use for know. I built all the rest and then came to the same conclusion and put them on a display wall, waiting for the game to develop so that I can use them. Demolisher is really good against things in the invested mines.

[Eightball]

As we all know armor progression is incremental, usually a new 'tier' will offer +6 armor per piece at max level, which is normally 4 upgrades (minus the cloaks).

Even though we cannot max upgrade Carapace armor yet you still gain a +6 in overall armor with just the three main pieces and even such incremental increases add up.

And as others have mentioned we have been given other armor sets that could not be max upgraded until we ventured into a higher tiered biome so I would expect the same with Carapace.

The idea, at least how I take it, is to go into the next biome with our current Carapace, quickly gain what we need to max level it and then wear it while we collect what we need for the next tier of armor. And that extra +6 armor we have going in might make the difference in our survival.

As for the Spine Snap it has (at the current level we can upgrade it to) a base of 80 pierce while a fully upgraded Dragr Fang has 56 pierce and 20 poison. Beyond the fact the Spine offers a significant bump in pierce the Dragr Fang seldom reaches its true damage potential because the poison is constantly re-applied with each successive shot so unless you are waiting a bit for the original application to tick through (not rapidly shooting arrows at your target) you are only getting a part of that 20 poison per shot.

In addition the Spine has a Stagger of 72 whereas the Dragr Fang has 42 and the ability to build Stagger quickly is a nice plus.

Ultimately the game provides us with options allowing us to tailor our tools to the challenge at hand so while the Dragr Fang might prove useful in some situations, the Spine might be better in others.

[HardcoreHarald]

Originally posted by Eightball:

As we all know armor progression is incremental, usually a new 'tier' will offer +6 armor per piece at max level, which is normally 4 upgrades (minus the cloaks).

Even though we cannot max upgrade Carapace armor yet you still gain a +6 in overall armor with just the three main pieces and even such incremental increases add up.

And as others have mentioned we have been given other armor sets that could not be max upgraded until we ventured into a higher tiered biome so I would expect the same with Carapace.

The idea, at least how I take it, is to go into the next biome with our current Carapzce, quickly gain what we need to max level it and then wear it while we collect what we need for the next tier of armor. Same as I did with padded to Carapace in Mistlands.

As for the Spine Snap it has (at the current level we can upgrade it to) a base of 80 pierce while a fully upgraded Dragr Fang has 56 pierce and 20 poison. Beyond the fact the Spine offers a significant bump in pierce the Dragr Fang seldom reaches its true damage potential because the poison is constantly re-applied with each successive shot so unless you are waiting a bit for the original application to tick through (not rapidly shooting arrows at your target) you are only getting a part of that 20 poison per shot.

Ultimately the game provides us with options allowing us to tailor our tools to the challenge at hand so while the Dragr Fang might prove useful in some situations, the Spine might be better in others.

i could upgrade my padded armor to level 4 in the plains and went with this into the mistlands when it released, so they changed that you say?

[Eightball]

@HardcoreHeld As you know not all armor sets require a crafting table/forge upgrade created with resources from the next 'tier' biome, but some do (like Troll armor). So in effect you cannot max level certain armor sets until you are into the next biome above the one they were introduced in. Such armor set upgrades though are often trivial for long time players who have learned how best to get through each tier of progression.

I corrected the padded line as you can, in the case of padded, upgrade it to level 4 without anything from the next biome.

I am guessing with the introduction of refined eitr (magic sauce) as a crafting requirement this magical theme will tie us into the next biomes. One way of doing that is through requiring material in the new biomes to max upgrade equipment we first obtained when the magic sauce was revealed.

[Heck]

I dont bother with carapace since padded is pretty cheap to upgrade

[Xea]

Troll armor even needed 2 more biomes for the final upgrade

[vinyblaster]

Originally posted by Apple:

I dont bother with carapace since padded is pretty cheap to upgrade

Why though? Carapace is also very cheap to make.

[OctoberSky]

Carapace does require refined eitr in addition to the carapace but I'll gladly grind any advantage the game gives me.

[HardcoreHarald]

Carapace seems to be as easy to upgrade as the padded armor

[HardcoreHarald]

Originally posted by HardcoreHeld:

Carapace seems to be as easy to upgrade as the padded armor

plus its better, its like saying that you will stick with troll armor or root armor cause they are cheap to upgrade

[John]

Originally posted by umop-apisdn:

To be fair, the required crafting table to make that is only currently able to get to level 2, which is preventing higher level upgrades from being accessible; the general consensus is that higher levels will be added as development progresses, thus resolving this "issue".

Early Access means "it's not done yet"; this suggests that the highest gear tiers are not complete, and/or not even in the game at this point. We've got at least two biomes still promised, so don't get all bent out of shape just because the level 3 and 4 Mistlands gear isn't accessible at the moment.

They should have immediately given us lvl 4 upgrades, giving us lvl 2 versions which are vastly inferior or the most minor of upgrade was just a slap in the face.