It ain't a real speedrun if portals get used.

[Steve]

That is all. Carry on.

[grapplehoeker]

Originally posted by Calteru:

That is all. Carry on.

Why ain't it?

[chewer]

It ain't no real portal run if speed is used.

[dirktoot]

They could make a no portal speedrun category. Maybe it already exists. Speedruns always have several categories.

I know at least of the full equipment and 'start a new character on random seed' categories. Both with and without using bugs(like chair clipping in crypts).

[Steve]

Originally posted by grapplehoeker:

Originally posted by Calteru:

That is all. Carry on.

Why ain't it?

There is nothing hardmode about portals. In fact, hard mode should REMOVE portals.

[grapplehoeker]

Originally posted by Calteru:

Originally posted by grapplehoeker:

Why ain't it?

There is nothing hardmode about portals. In fact, hard mode should REMOVE portals.

Why didn't your title say that then?
Your beef is whether or not portals are used when the game is played on hard mode, or rather, you only consider it "hard mode" if portals are not used.
But, that has nothing to do with speed runs per se.

[Steve]

Originally posted by grapplehoeker:

Originally posted by Calteru:

There is nothing hardmode about portals. In fact, hard mode should REMOVE portals.

Why didn't your title say that then?

I snipped the rest because it wasn't germane to the conversation. Conversations should focus on concepts, not people.

It didn't say that because the question wasn't asked until after the fact.

I trust that's the conclusion of this conversation.

[chewer]

Focusing on concepts, you seem to confuse speedruns and hardmode. One refers to finishing a certain task or achievement (a "run") very quickly. The other refers maybe to the difficulty of a task, even though said task could be completed rather slowly.

Besides, I still don't understand why speedruns shouldn't use portals. Or why any hardmode should remove them.

[Steve]

Originally posted by chewer:

Focusing on concepts (snip)
Besides, I still don't understand why speedruns shouldn't use portals. Or why any hardmode should remove them.

Edited out the non-germane stuff again.

Hard mode means difficult. Portals are purely for convenience and nothing else. Removing the convenience increases the difficulty by exposing the player to the hazards of travel. That is why hard mode should not have portals.

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[vinyblaster]

Originally posted by Calteru:

Originally posted by grapplehoeker:

Why didn't your title say that then?

I snipped the rest because it wasn't germane to the conversation. Conversations should focus on concepts, not people.

It didn't say that because the question wasn't asked until after the fact.

I trust that's the conclusion of this conversation.

You seem to not understand the difference between hardcore mode and speedrun. A speedrun can be done with any settings or rules. Obviously the time and strategies will differ based on the rules, but it has nothing to do with hardcore mode or not.

This conversation - and thread - should indeed end because it is pointless.

[Steve]

Originally posted by vinyblaster:

This conversation... should indeed end...

I agree.

[Veseljko]

So it’s OK to abuse game mechanics or use bugs to beat bosses in speedrun but portals aren’t OK?
Devs didn’t say anything about portals, that is just your interpretation of hard mode.

[Steve]

Originally posted by Veseljko:

So it’s OK to abuse game mechanics or use bugs to beat bosses in speedrun but portals aren’t OK?

Since no one said those thing were okay, either, I can only assume that's a question being asked.

In answer to the question, that's probably a different topic. This is covering the use of portals in speedruns, in the context of the recent contest being offered.

[chewer]

Originally posted by Calteru:

Originally posted by Veseljko:

So it’s OK to abuse game mechanics or use bugs to beat bosses in speedrun but portals aren’t OK?

Since no one said those thing were okay, either, I can only assume that's a question being asked.

In answer to the question, that's probably a different topic. This is covering the use of portals in speedruns, in the context of the recent contest being offered.

I think Veseljko's argument is on point.

OP, you're still conflating speedruns and hardmode. Both are based on different interests, challenges, and motivations. One has nothing to do with the other.

[Xea]

Speedruns should have portals if portals allow for faster completion of the game; if they don't then they shouldn't.

[Steve]

Originally posted by chewer:

I think Veseljko's argument is on point.

Duly noted.

Originally posted by Xea:

Speedruns should have portals if portals allow for faster completion of the game; if they don't then they shouldn't.

I disagree. If the threshold is allowing for faster completion of the game, then tool-assisted speedruns are just speedruns instead of having the "tool-assisted" designation.