Valheim

Valheim

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White Lion Jun 30, 2023 @ 1:17am
What's Missing for Release?
It's summer sale already and this game is still in early access for 2 years. So what's still missing?

Why wasn't it declared to be finished by now?
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chewer Jun 30, 2023 @ 1:26am 
The game is divided into different "biomes", i.e., game stages. Not all of the planned biomes are implemented yet, (at least) two are still under development.

For an early-access title, Valheim is fully stable. In 600 hours or so I never had any bug or crash.

I prefer developers who work slowly but steadily to create a game based on a unified design and with sufficient time for testing and debugging.
Noino Jun 30, 2023 @ 1:27am 
deep south and far north biomes are still missing afaik.

Then ofc the opportunities are limitless for expansion, as they could use existing portal tech at the end of the world and whisk people away to a completely new alternative reality with new biomes, but thats more of a v2.0 dream anyway
GinsengSamurai Jun 30, 2023 @ 1:27am 
DEVELOPMENTAL TIMES AS REFERENCE POINTS
- Star Wars Squadrons: about 3 years
- Mass Effect 1: ~4 years
- Sims 2: about 4 years
- Kenshi: 12 years total, 5 years in Early Access
- Rimworld: 5 years in Early Access
- Minecraft Dungeons: about 5 years
- Fallout 3: about 4 years with Bethesda, +2 years with Interplay
- Don't Starve: about 3 years
- Astroneer: ~3 years in Early Access
- Diablo 3: ~10 years
- Team Fortress 2: ~9 years
- Owlboy: ~10 years
- Valheim: Early Access February 2021 (about 2 years and 4 months)

With that out of the way, two more biomes are missing: ashlands and deep north. Also, numerous content revisions/updates, bug fixing, and QoL.
Zathabar Jun 30, 2023 @ 1:48am 
Based on the last time we are likely to have Ashlands this year with a small feature update (HildirsQuest) around the corner. So to give the OP an answer based on the track record of Biome release post launch in EA>

Christmas 2024 I would Guess.

That would give them a similar amount of time to do Deep North the way they want it and sync with a major Holiday for max new sales.

I don't see the need to rush though there is a marvellous Modding community if you cant wait for variety (Use at own peril! Not official, doom Doom DOOM! - ok I said it?) that I have personally been impressed with but you do you.
Shaken_Widow Jun 30, 2023 @ 1:59am 
the game is literally just a boss fight simulator right now and even that isn't complete.

why would you think it's okay to say it's complete in the state it's currently in?

there's going to be a lot more added to the game and then they have to optimize it all, it just takes time considering the size of the team working on it.
White Lion Jun 30, 2023 @ 2:09am 
Originally posted by Zathabar:
Based on the last time we are likely to have Ashlands this year with a small feature update (HildirsQuest) around the corner. So to give the OP an answer based on the track record of Biome release post launch in EA>

Christmas 2024 I would Guess.

That would give them a similar amount of time to do Deep North the way they want it and sync with a major Holiday for max new sales.

I don't see the need to rush though there is a marvellous Modding community if you cant wait for variety (Use at own peril! Not official, doom Doom DOOM! - ok I said it?) that I have personally been impressed with but you do you.
I have this game in wishlist for a year now. Didn't want to buy it, cause I didn't think it has enough content to keep me interested for hours.

Bad experience I had with another game called "Diplomacy Not an Option". Too long to wait for interesting content. Diiferent genre than this one, but both are still in early access.

I'm the type of guy who buy base game plus all DLC, except cosmetic DLC. I've played NMS for 400+ hours. Got bored. Not interested to try out the newly released contents. So I prefer to have all contents in place before I start playing it.

But based on your experience, then I think I'll have to wait for next year. Thanks for the input.
Renlish Jun 30, 2023 @ 2:09am 
Originally posted by Death Star:
Why wasn't it declared to be finished by now?

Because... it's not. It's still being worked on.

It's playable in it's current state - as stipulated by Steam's rules for early access.

It's in a very satisfying playable state - bonus for us players.

There are regular updates and it's not abandonware- we're winning.

Buying an EA game is not buying a promise of a finished game.
Renlish Jun 30, 2023 @ 2:12am 
Originally posted by Death Star:
I have this game in wishlist for a year now. Didn't want to buy it, cause I didn't think it has enough content to keep me interested for hours.

Bad experience I had with another game called "Diplomacy Not an Option". Too long to wait for interesting content. Diiferent genre than this one, but both are still in early access.

I'm the type of guy who buy base game plus all DLC, except cosmetic DLC. I've played NMS for 400+ hours. Got bored. Not interested to try out the newly released contents. So I prefer to have all contents in place before I start playing it.

But based on your experience, then I think I'll have to wait for next year. Thanks for the input.

You can buy the game on HB for about $17. Considering the depth of content currently available to play as an EA game, it's good value. If you pull 100 hours from it (and most do), it's worth the money.
OctoberSky Jun 30, 2023 @ 3:39am 
Originally posted by Renlish:
You can buy the game on HB for about $17. Considering the depth of content currently available to play as an EA game, it's good value. If you pull 100 hours from it (and most do), it's worth the money.

Agreed. Purchasing an EA game is almost like investing in an IPO. Sometimes you win sometimes you lose. There are fully released games that I have played for a fraction of the time that I've played Valheim so I'd call it a win.
Zathabar Jun 30, 2023 @ 6:24am 
Originally posted by Death Star:
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I have this game in wishlist for a year now. Didn't want to buy it, cause I didn't think it has enough content to keep me interested for hours.

I understand where you coming from but I got well over 1000 hours on file and am by NO MEANS in the top percentile of the folks you have played the most.

There is plenty of content and repeatability but I totally get your point of view
Jouchebag Jun 30, 2023 @ 6:35am 
Originally posted by Zathabar:
Originally posted by Death Star:
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I have this game in wishlist for a year now. Didn't want to buy it, cause I didn't think it has enough content to keep me interested for hours.

I understand where you coming from but I got well over 1000 hours on file and am by NO MEANS in the top percentile of the folks you have played the most.

There is plenty of content and repeatability but I totally get your point of view

I'm in his camp. Got some trepidation about what this is and isn't and how much enjoyment I'll get out of it.

That said, it's $12 right now and that is the average cost of a fast food combo meal these days. I bought it because I'm rich like that, yo. Got that #4 with extra mac sauce money.
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White Lion Jun 30, 2023 @ 6:59am 
Originally posted by Jouchebag:
Originally posted by Zathabar:

I understand where you coming from but I got well over 1000 hours on file and am by NO MEANS in the top percentile of the folks you have played the most.

There is plenty of content and repeatability but I totally get your point of view

I'm in his camp. Got some trepidation about what this is and isn't and how much enjoyment I'll get out of it.

That said, it's $12 right now and that is the average cost of a fast food combo meal these days. I bought it because I'm rich like that, yo. Got that #4 with extra mac sauce money.
For me, it's not about the price. It's about the completeness of this game. It's like when you buy a car, basically you want everything in place. Buying it without paint or roof, just doesn't feel like a car as a whole, although some cars are designed to not have a roof and can run without paint. But it's not a complete car.
Flare |UKCS| Jun 30, 2023 @ 7:38am 
Well depends on your nature to be honest, if you are happy to enjoy the ride and take time to enjoy the game, it can offer hours of fun (I have nearly 500 hours so far) or some players have done the game in a duo in about 8 - 11 hours speedrun.
I think it would be fair to say it would take a normal playthrough 40 - 80 hours at this state of development.
The game is developed in a additive manner, that is to say most of the new content is added to the 'end game', though some is added to earlier biomes occasionally.
For the asking price you will get value for money if you like this type of game as it stands and more is coming so the value increases.
prayl Jun 30, 2023 @ 7:56am 
Originally posted by Death Star:
Originally posted by Zathabar:
Based on the last time we are likely to have Ashlands this year with a small feature update (HildirsQuest) around the corner. So to give the OP an answer based on the track record of Biome release post launch in EA>

Christmas 2024 I would Guess.

That would give them a similar amount of time to do Deep North the way they want it and sync with a major Holiday for max new sales.

I don't see the need to rush though there is a marvelous Modding community if you cant wait for variety (Use at own peril! Not official, doom Doom DOOM! - ok I said it?) that I have personally been impressed with but you do you.
I have this game in wish list for a year now. Didn't want to buy it, cause I didn't think it has enough content to keep me interested for hours.

Bad experience I had with another game called "Diplomacy Not an Option". Too long to wait for interesting content. Different genre than this one, but both are still in early access.

I'm the type of guy who buy base game plus all DLC, except cosmetic DLC. I've played NMS for 400+ hours. Got bored. Not interested to try out the newly released contents. So I prefer to have all contents in place before I start playing it.

But based on your experience, then I think I'll have to wait for next year. Thanks for the input.

I've played Valheim about as long as I played Elden Ring (about 240 hrs) before I gave up on Elden Ring. I'm not done playing Valheim, as I've only found/explored 2 of the biomes at this point. There's lots to do and enjoy in this early access game. (I keep reading EA as Electronic Arts.) So, I've gotten more play from Valheim than I did from a fully finalized game.
Last edited by prayl; Jun 30, 2023 @ 7:58am
Jouchebag Jun 30, 2023 @ 9:19am 
Originally posted by Death Star:
Originally posted by Jouchebag:

I'm in his camp. Got some trepidation about what this is and isn't and how much enjoyment I'll get out of it.

That said, it's $12 right now and that is the average cost of a fast food combo meal these days. I bought it because I'm rich like that, yo. Got that #4 with extra mac sauce money.
For me, it's not about the price. It's about the completeness of this game.

This isn't a game you play with intent to complete. It's an experience. Like most survival games. Like Minecraft or Terraria, the games with extremely similar gameplay loops that Valheim is clearly based on.

I understand the psychological need to have a true, finalizing ending to a game, but not every game is about that. MMOs go on forever, for instance. Minecraft's attempt at an ending is basically an inside joke that there isn't a damn ending.

The question shouldn't be "is this complete?" The question should be "how much fun is there to have?" And that's been answered several times here: Hundreds of hours.
Last edited by Jouchebag; Jun 30, 2023 @ 9:19am
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