Did something change with swamp crypt generation?

[One (1) Lini]

A friend and I started a new world after several months of not playing. I think the last time we did was soon after the tar pits were added for reference's sake, and things in this new world went decently... for a while.

But what on earth is up with the swamp crypts? We've been sailing around for days searching for them, small swamps, large swamps, no crypts. Today we finally decided that enough was enough and did some flying around to scout and the most amount of crypts we found in a swamp was 3?

They used to be so plentiful, and one needs a massive amount of iron for crafting and building, but it's so scarce all of a sudden? This combined with the added difficulty of abominations has made the swamps go from "kind of the low point" to an absolutely abysmal experience.

I tried looking through the patch notes for any information on if crypts have been nerfed but didn't really find anything.

[Cap'n Bells]

well without really knowing... Try this mental exercise ...

the TOTAL world size hasnt probably changed from first EA release,

So the RNG is populating the same size physical world

But they have added more content inside each of the the biomes.

So theoretically the RNG for (Total number of "objects" spawning} across the entire World is the same. but spread differently inside biomes... (well more game inter-active biomes)

well if my theory is right its then LESS "objects" per biome

Additionally the manner, type AND location of those "objects" may have changed...

[Horemvore]

Originally posted by One (1) Lini:

A friend and I started a new world after several months of not playing. I think the last time we did was soon after the tar pits were added for reference's sake, and things in this new world went decently... for a while.

But what on earth is up with the swamp crypts? We've been sailing around for days searching for them, small swamps, large swamps, no crypts. Today we finally decided that enough was enough and did some flying around to scout and the most amount of crypts we found in a swamp was 3?

They used to be so plentiful, and one needs a massive amount of iron for crafting and building, but it's so scarce all of a sudden? This combined with the added difficulty of abominations has made the swamps go from "kind of the low point" to an absolutely abysmal experience.

I tried looking through the patch notes for any information on if crypts have been nerfed but didn't really find anything.

Yes they added 3 lesser crypts, there is only 1 instance of the old ones left in the RNG, so its a 1 in 4 for an old "Crypt". I Assume they did this cause you can now get Iron in Mistlands.

[One (1) Lini]

Originally posted by Horemvore:

Originally posted by One (1) Lini:

A friend and I started a new world after several months of not playing. I think the last time we did was soon after the tar pits were added for reference's sake, and things in this new world went decently... for a while.

But what on earth is up with the swamp crypts? We've been sailing around for days searching for them, small swamps, large swamps, no crypts. Today we finally decided that enough was enough and did some flying around to scout and the most amount of crypts we found in a swamp was 3?

They used to be so plentiful, and one needs a massive amount of iron for crafting and building, but it's so scarce all of a sudden? This combined with the added difficulty of abominations has made the swamps go from "kind of the low point" to an absolutely abysmal experience.

I tried looking through the patch notes for any information on if crypts have been nerfed but didn't really find anything.

Yes they added 3 lesser dungeon, there is only 1 instance of the old ones left in the RNG, so its a 1 in 4 for an old "Crypt".

What do you mean by "lesser dungeon" in this case?

[Horemvore]

Originally posted by One (1) Lini:

Originally posted by Horemvore:

Yes they added 3 lesser dungeon, there is only 1 instance of the old ones left in the RNG, so its a 1 in 4 for an old "Crypt".

What do you mean by "lesser dungeon" in this case?

1-2 room Crypts. Rather than the 5+ you used to get most of the time, with the odd "dud" one. TBH they might have been there all along just rare, and they have switched it around to make the large one rare instead :)

[Alio]

Dang, I must've gotten lucky because the first swamp I entered there were 9 crypts, literally all in a circle within 50 meters from each other.

After clearing them out, I filled almost 2 longboats full of Iron.

You probably just got super unlucky with your seed. You'll have to really work for that iron gear, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. Having everything come easy takes the fun away.

[FissionChips]

You can compare pre and post mistlands same seed in the world generator[valheim-map.world], upshot is there's slightly less swamp, slightly more mistlands, and yes the swamp that is there has less crypts in it now.

[pyremind]

Originally posted by Alio:

Dang, I must've gotten lucky because the first swamp I entered there were 9 crypts, literally all in a circle within 50 meters from each other.

After clearing them out, I filled almost 2 longboats full of Iron.

You probably just got super unlucky with your seed. You'll have to really work for that iron gear, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. Having everything come easy takes the fun away.

Bro you got incredibly lucky.. I've been to 4 swamps and I've found 3 crypts total, iron has been an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ to get.

[Rhapsody]

I don't know about crypt variants, but they did reduce density of crypts a long time ago (two years or something). If you used to play on an old world seed, you may have ran into swamps containing crypts as close to each other as is physically possible, 30-50m between each. The change made was semi-retroactive since it prevented spawning of new "extra" crypts even on those old seeds/worlds.

[One (1) Lini]

Originally posted by Rhapsody:

I don't know about crypt variants, but they did reduce density of crypts a long time ago (two years or something). If you used to play on an old world seed, you may have ran into swamps containing crypts as close to each other as is physically possible, 30-50m between each. The change made was semi-retroactive since it prevented spawning of new "extra" crypts even on those old seeds/worlds.

We've played a lot more recently than that and while I can't say that the swamp crypts were as dense as you mentioned here, they were a lot more plentiful than the ridiculous scarcity we're dealing with now.

We've actually decided to just spawn in some chests worth of iron at this point. It's simply not fun to deal with the crypt search with how scarce they are now (especially as I get sea sick from sailing, so exploring is a bit difficult). It's not like we haven't done the swamp song and dance in the past anyway.

[vinyblaster]

Originally posted by Rhapsody:

I don't know about crypt variants, but they did reduce density of crypts a long time ago (two years or something). If you used to play on an old world seed, you may have ran into swamps containing crypts as close to each other as is physically possible, 30-50m between each. The change made was semi-retroactive since it prevented spawning of new "extra" crypts even on those old seeds/worlds.

There was another adjustment after mistland as well. I dont know if it was directly on the density but the total amount of crypts in the world was reduced.

[Malnaur]

The distributions are heavily seed dependent. You should always check a new seed using the world map generator before committing to a new world. Even if just to verify it looks livable. I have compared the old and new maps for my favorite seed and they are not significantly different.

[Tanyon]

My friend and I have had no issues in this play-through.. we had 6 crypts in our first swamp.. I did notice that the next THREE swamps I found had 0 but they were very thin/narrow swamp biomes.. so might be dependent on the size of the swamps? RNG just unlucky..

[L1m3r]

I'm 100% certain the crypt distribution formula got nerfed in the last ~1,5-2 years.

Same seed newly generated vs. old (geography stayed the same): https://steamcommunity.com/app/892970/discussions/0/3790380616226691589/#c3790380616227187144