Longship Draft and Dock, campfire Questions

[CrazyMom]

Building a harbour area for future longship and current karve near my fortress, which has a main river connecting ocean with inland sea (with an exit to different ocean) and side, dead end small river arms.
!. How wide is the longship beam? For the longship building the framing with roof is 10m width by 24m length and approx 14m height. Do 10m accommodate the sail beam? I am still in Bronze Age but want to build this before more difficult mobs spawn.
2. What is its draft? I lowered the water depth to barely standing/just swimming. Is this deep enough? I do not have ocean swells here.
3. I have workbenches and campfires everywhere (they all overlap completely) but still blue eyed ones which are a nuisance, spawn. Does burying the campfires negate their spawn suppression?

[Faceplant]

Digging until you can't dig anymore due to floating is what I used as reference. You may get away with a little less, but not very much.

The amount of clearance for the mast depends on sea conditions, but these are a couple of my covered docks:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2624259961

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2616846356

The last one is now filled in with rock, since it was in the old mistlands, and I can't find a picture of my main (plains) dock.

In any case, I think you can get an idea from these pictures what you should need. I think they're both about as high as you can build a roof without aid of reinforce beams. You may get away with less, but the mast might hit the top in rough seas.

[CrazyMom]

For the mast I am fine, it is the sail beam that worries me for my current frame size.

[CrazyMom]

Great castle built!!

[CrazyMom]

The karve has a beam width of almost 8m (mast is 8 m high).

[Faceplant]

I don't think you have to worry about the beam width. As long as you lower the sail before you go in (recommended in any case), I'm pretty sure it will turn sideways if it hits something.

I might be able to hop into one of those worlds to test it. I'm just entering swamp in my current playthrough, and the longship will be one of the first things I build.

[Faceplant]

No ships in any of my piers, but here's a better picture of the width of my plains pier:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2925569091

[Oakshield]

I think the dock I build was 12 roof pieces wide; which - if I'm not mistaken - makes 24 meters.

Keep in mind that the beams of the Karve and Longship can overlap as their masts aren't the same height. So unless you plan to put two Longships in there, a smaller dock works well enough.

Thorin :)

[jonnin]

As deep as you can dig is good if you want to break the ship there and get its pieces back ensured.
if you want it to never hit the ground, then you need to dig it as deep as you can dig when waves roll out in big storms. I know you said no swells but when the storms come, even then? If not, its good to go.

I don't know how you could possibly bury a lit fire. IT would smoke itself out or something.

[Nerevar]

i dont get why people use wood or stone for thier docks. i used mudwalls to prevent haveing to repair them each time i smash the boat into the docks^^ this way i only have to repair the boat afterwards.

[Maelstrom]

I gave up on docks. As long as the best place to store a boat is in a chest a landing where you can easily drive your ship onto the shore is always going to be better than a dock.

[CrazyMom]

In regards to karve beam width, I tried the 6m width and the ship sail beam caught into the uprights and twisted the ship.
So I will build my longship dock overall 12m wide with 8m for hull clearance. Have to modify the current frame accordingly or change it, depending if everything collapses.

Even in storms the side arms of the river area do not swell up, that is why I started building there. The 2 arms I am using have an angle of approx 55 degrees to each other, so connecting the 2 separate docks will be a challenge to end up looking decent.
Went out at the river mouth to see and destroy some lurking rocks which were manageable with the low of the swells and also put guide pylons into place. Almost drowned a couple of times though ;).

In regards to the campfires, I dug a hole, placed it in and filled one "raised stone ground" back in, aiming at the side of the dug hole. It works with one refill, more than that ended up destroying the campfire and the stones popped back up. Now I am placing them on top of higher rocks or a short stone column. Have 2 resident one star deer in the area that I want to keep around.

[CrazyMom]

To Maelstrom, I like the visual of having it and the challenge of building. Taking my absolute time to advance, am on day 765 due to all the scavenging and building and having loads of fun and am still in the bronze age. Crazy is my middle name :D

[Maelstrom]

Originally posted by CrazyMom:

To Maelstrom, I like the visual of having it and the challenge of building. Taking my absolute time to advance, am on day 765 due to all the scavenging and building and having loads of fun and am still in the bronze age. Crazy is my middle name :D

The very first base I ever made in this game had a decent dock. The save is long gone so I can't give you any numbers on it but I still have a screenshot.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2462472649

[NiceGuy]

Nr. 3
It's not the campfire which prevents the monster spawn it's the workbench. Within the workbench building radius there will be no spawning.
You can burry the workbench or built a little hut around it.

[Nerevar]

Originally posted by NiceGuy:

Nr. 3
It's not the campfire which prevents the monster spawn it's the workbench. Within the workbench building radius there will be no spawning.
You can burry the workbench or built a little hut around it.

stonecutter and black forge and forge all have the same effect. but they dont show the radius like the bench does.

also portals also do that around them but smaller area. probaly to prevent teleport ganks from enemies^^