Is killing the peaceful Dvergers the only way to actually get the mistlands stuff?

[dunbaratu]

I finally got to some of the mistlands and found a few Dvergers. I thought they might be people to trade with since they look just like the Trader but you can't actually talk to them. They do talk to you though in ways that make it clear they're of at least human level intelligence.

And when I look up in Wiki guides for some of the new Mistland materials I find that it seems to be impossible to obtain them (and thus impossible to make most of the new stuff and actually use the Mistlands new content) without attacking these peaceful Dvergers who haven't laid a hand on me yet and aren't a threat until they act in self defence.

Is this genuinely the case that the game expects you to kill off the first NPCs you find in the game who are willing to leave you alone and live in peace? I'll do it if that's the only game mechanic that exists, but I'd prefer to avoid it if there indeed was meant to be another way.

[Rhapsody]

You don't need to kill them, although with the current busted seeker AI and the gjall nerfs, they probably won't have as much trouble to deal with those enemies as they used to. They won't actually detect you if you pick up their stuff after the containers have been broken by enemies or if they meet their demise in any other way than by your hand, only if you harm them or their possessions.

However, you should also consider that they are uninvited intruders in a burial/prison world which is under your jurisdiction, and are essentially grave-robbing Valheim.

[Nerevar]

just find a dvergr place with a fire mage inside. lure an enemy to the location or simply wait inside during the night till something comes around. the mage will level half the tower and most likely the component create aswell. once its broken they dont care if you pick it up and wont become hostile.
i never attacked them so far and this is how i got my first dvergr component by accident when running away from a 1 star soldier into a dvergr tower^^. which you only need 1 off to make the sap collector. multiple dont hurt but sap really isnt hard to come by with even just 1-2 sap collectors as its generated passively even while youre not around.

the bottleneck material early on will be soft tissue. most of this is found inside these giant stone skulls. some are inside dvergr digging sites but these seem rather rare compared to thier towers. but alot of these skulls are also found in the wild unguarded by dvergr. 1 skull is like 60 soft tissue. which is 60 refinded eitr. and you dont much eitr for most of the stuff aside the magic staffs and armor if youre into magic.

[Faceplant]

I now have 5 or 6 sap collectors, and I only "stole" the first one. The remainder I picked up after a Gjall attack, which happen quite often around their bases.

[OctoberSky]

If you have just arrived, spread puffer fish around the floors of their fortress and get them to step on the fish and eventually the poison will remove them without you getting hit back. When you get refined eitr, spread this around the ward of the fortresses and the eitr will destroy the ward. Then you can place your workbench and claim the fort. Push the dvergrs outside where they provide a set of guards for your new fort.

[FissionChips]

You could just not get mistlands gear 🙃.

What gets me is that you can hurt them at all without friendly fire enabled.

[Gorbush Creepgood]

Find one of their docks, push them into the water, steal their stuff and gtfo.

[Eightball]

@OctoberSky Devious! I do appreciate the fact the game gives us so many options allowing closeted psychopaths...err players...to figure out new ways to cause destruction.

[OctoberSky]

Many thanks but give credit where credit is due.

[Zathabar]

Leaving aside the ingenious ways to get them to die without direct intervention :D

Yeah Dwarfs love gold
I have gold
I give gold for stuffs where the issue here?

No harm done just give players alternate ways to achieve the SAME progression and feels better "ethically" to some. Where the harm? Would be an asset to the game and well as the code for trading is in the game already.. cant readily see how hard it would be to implement myself?

[Nerevar]

given the changes to seekers and gjall in the new patch the dvergr towers are all doomed anyway sooner or later. the changes are noticeable.

[autumndragonfalling]

I would debate how peaceful they actually are, kind words mean little when someone has a loaded Arbalest aimed at me.

i would also debate that you can kill them. I've died plenty in Valheim and never stayed dead. I have no reason to believe that anything different happens with the Dvergr. Sure I've never seen them come back like I am inclined to do when I 'die' but when i see what they leave behind...
Well would you do a death run for that?