Stamina Recharge Rate

[Vinegaroon]

So ate a salad, blood pudding, and fish and bread. Went to chop trees fully rested, dry, and with a wolf cape.

The recharge rate on stamina feels so slow. Sure the Max bar was 200+ but the slow rate of recharge doesn’t feel like it scales well to the higher levels.

[Oakshield]

Originally posted by The Big Brzezinski:

Originally posted by Oakshield:

That's not true. You still get stamina and stamina regen without rest bonus; even if you haven't eaten anything at all.

All rest bonus does, is boosting the stamina regen.

It is painfully true.

Food gives you a bigger bar to store stamina in. Food does not fill the bar. Only rest and mead does that. A rested player is getting double the stamina income of an unrested one. When cold and wet, they get more than three times as much.

In any fight that lasts longer than a few strikes, stamina regeneration is far more important than the size of the initial pool.

The rest bonus from staying in a place with at least a fire lit helps regenerating stamina faster, yes.

But run around at your base, don't eat food at all and you still have 50 stamina.
Put some items in your inventory so you're overweight; walk around until the stamina is gone and you stop.
Drop the items making you overweight and the stamina regenerates again.

You DO NOT need the rest bonus for that.
All you need to do is stopping your activities to have stamina regerating.
For some players that may count as "rest"; but it certainly is something complete different as the rest bonus.

Hence, your previous comment was false.
And it was false because you talk about rest BONUS in that reply, not about REST; which are two completely different things.

Thorin :)

[The Big Brzezinski]

Originally posted by Oakshield:

Originally posted by The Big Brzezinski:

It is painfully true.

Food gives you a bigger bar to store stamina in. Food does not fill the bar. Only rest and mead does that. A rested player is getting double the stamina income of an unrested one. When cold and wet, they get more than three times as much.

In any fight that lasts longer than a few strikes, stamina regeneration is far more important than the size of the initial pool.

The rest bonus from staying in a place with at least a fire lit helps regenerating stamina faster, yes.

But run around at your base, don't eat food at all and you still have 50 stamina.
Put some items in your inventory so you're overweight; walk around until the stamina is gone and you stop.
Drop the items making you overweight and the stamina regenerates again.

You DO NOT need the rest bonus for that.
All you need to do is stopping your activities to have stamina regerating.
For some players that may count as "rest"; but it certainly is something complete different as the rest bonus.

Hence, your previous comment was false.
And it was false because you talk about rest BONUS in that reply, not about REST; which are two completely different things.

It's a distinction without a difference. If you don't rest, you don't get a rested bonus. If you need to renew your bonus at the moment, you're not going to bother resting.

Trying to get through current tier combat without a rested bonus is gambling with your gear. You will quickly burn through your stamina bar and need to regenerate it. Maintaining your bonus by staying rested has a direct impact on your stamina regeneration and your damage output by extension, as you are gaining twice as much stamina as you would otherwise. This extra damage output can make the difference between dominating (or at least escaping) and being overwhelmed. If you don't stay rested, and only have baseline stamina regeneration coming in, you'll quickly burn yourself out attacking, blocking, dodging, and running around the fry. Once it's gone, you're defenseless.

Whenever you are near your structures, you are at risk of an invasion event damaging them. So it is a very good idea to maintain combat readiness at all times. Ramp up food production so you can constantly stay fed. Pause at your main hall to renew your rested bonus when it gets low. Always wear your armor, carry your weapons, and keep them all in good repair. That's how you keep your infrastructure safe without turning every little outpost into a stone and earthwork fortress.

[OctoberSky]

Sounds like a good experiment to try in a toy seed. Skill levels + rested + nutrition for the given skill (run, jump, wood cut, etc.) If you can re-create something that looks like a bug report it with your experimental results to the devs.

[Tanyon]

I 100% agree.. when you get up there and have the best foods.. it's almost pointless.. the stam recharges so slow it's so dumb.. high tier foods often give +health they should also do +stam regen %

[Oakshield]

Originally posted by The Big Brzezinski:

No rest bonus means no stamina, regardless of what you've eaten.

Originally posted by The Big Brzezinski:

Originally posted by Oakshield:

The rest bonus from staying in a place with at least a fire lit helps regenerating stamina faster, yes.

But run around at your base, don't eat food at all and you still have 50 stamina.
Put some items in your inventory so you're overweight; walk around until the stamina is gone and you stop.
Drop the items making you overweight and the stamina regenerates again.

You DO NOT need the rest bonus for that.
All you need to do is stopping your activities to have stamina regerating.
For some players that may count as "rest"; but it certainly is something complete different as the rest bonus.

Hence, your previous comment was false.
And it was false because you talk about rest BONUS in that reply, not about REST; which are two completely different things.

It's a distinction without a difference. If you don't rest, you don't get a rested bonus. If you need to renew your bonus at the moment, you're not going to bother resting.

Trying to get through current tier combat without a rested bonus is gambling with your gear. You will quickly burn through your stamina bar and need to regenerate it. Maintaining your bonus by staying rested has a direct impact on your stamina regeneration and your damage output by extension, as you are gaining twice as much stamina as you would otherwise. This extra damage output can make the difference between dominating (or at least escaping) and being overwhelmed. If you don't stay rested, and only have baseline stamina regeneration coming in, you'll quickly burn yourself out attacking, blocking, dodging, and running around the fry. Once it's gone, you're defenseless.

Whenever you are near your structures, you are at risk of an invasion event damaging them. So it is a very good idea to maintain combat readiness at all times. Ramp up food production so you can constantly stay fed. Pause at your main hall to renew your rested bonus when it gets low. Always wear your armor, carry your weapons, and keep them all in good repair. That's how you keep your infrastructure safe without turning every little outpost into a stone and earthwork fortress.

Funny how you start contradicting yourself.

First it's "No rest bonus, no stamina"; thus inplying that you only can get a stamina regen when you have a rest bonus;
now you start saying that the moment you rest, you get the bonus. Well, that's pretty obvious; yet, not completely accurate. I wasn't talking about resting, I was talking about simply standing still and not performing ANY action at all. The moment you do that, being it inside a building, inside a cave, in the swamp where your drowned in rain, in the mountains or even in the Mistlands, your stamina will regenerate the moment you stand still.
It's always been like that and it always will be like that.

Yet, you still won't admit that no matter if you have a rest bonus or not, stamina regenerates.

Which means, that statement I quoted first, is false. Like it or not.

Thorin :)

[The Big Brzezinski]

Originally posted by Oakshield:

Originally posted by The Big Brzezinski:

No rest bonus means no stamina, regardless of what you've eaten.

Originally posted by The Big Brzezinski:

It's a distinction without a difference. If you don't rest, you don't get a rested bonus. If you need to renew your bonus at the moment, you're not going to bother resting.

Trying to get through current tier combat without a rested bonus is gambling with your gear. You will quickly burn through your stamina bar and need to regenerate it. Maintaining your bonus by staying rested has a direct impact on your stamina regeneration and your damage output by extension, as you are gaining twice as much stamina as you would otherwise. This extra damage output can make the difference between dominating (or at least escaping) and being overwhelmed. If you don't stay rested, and only have baseline stamina regeneration coming in, you'll quickly burn yourself out attacking, blocking, dodging, and running around the fry. Once it's gone, you're defenseless.

Whenever you are near your structures, you are at risk of an invasion event damaging them. So it is a very good idea to maintain combat readiness at all times. Ramp up food production so you can constantly stay fed. Pause at your main hall to renew your rested bonus when it gets low. Always wear your armor, carry your weapons, and keep them all in good repair. That's how you keep your infrastructure safe without turning every little outpost into a stone and earthwork fortress.

Funny how you start contradicting yourself.

First it's "No rest bonus, no stamina"; thus inplying that you only can get a stamina regen when you have a rest bonus;
now you start saying that the moment you rest, you get the bonus. Well, that's pretty obvious; yet, not completely accurate. I wasn't talking about resting, I was talking about simply standing still and not performing ANY action at all. The moment you do that, being it inside a building, inside a cave, in the swamp where your drowned in rain, in the mountains or even in the Mistlands, your stamina will regenerate the moment you stand still.
It's always been like that and it always will be like that.

Yet, you still won't admit that no matter if you have a rest bonus or not, stamina regenerates.

Which means, that statement I quoted first, is false. Like it or not.

Originally posted by The Big Brzezinski:

Originally posted by Oakshield:

That's not true. You still get stamina and stamina regen without rest bonus; even if you haven't eaten anything at all.

All rest bonus does, is boosting the stamina regen.

It is painfully true.

Food gives you a bigger bar to store stamina in. Food does not fill the bar. Only rest and mead does that. A rested player is getting double the stamina income of an unrested one. When cold and wet, they get more than three times as much.

In any fight that lasts longer than a few strikes, stamina regeneration is far more important than the size of the initial pool.

You're the one who came up with the idea that not resting means no stamina regen, not me. You're the one who decided to misinterpret my statement.

I quite thoroughly expounded on how not having a rested bonus means painful periods where you don't have enough stamina to do anything, i.e. "no stamina". That is the thought that goes through your head as you find yourself unable to dodge out of the way of a giant club that then follows said thought through your head.

So don't look at me to be your straw man.

[XTazmanianDevilX]

for better stamina regain: +rested-bonus, +1 stamina food, +1 stamina potion +always take some wood and stone with you to make a campfire if you get wet

[Oakshield]

Originally posted by The Big Brzezinski:

No rest bonus means no stamina, regardless of what you've eaten.

This the 2nd time I have to quote this post of yours. And you still deny that what you said here is that you don't have any stamina if you don't have a rest bonus; while it's not true?

Or are you coming up with a new "explanation" now.

All this wriggling you do make me think if you're a politician in RL.

Thorin :)

Edit:

No stamina without resting bonus?
And what about those screenshots?

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2914473315

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2914472988

[Gregomoto]

Originally posted by Tiom:

2 Health/1 Stam food is king.

0/120 stamina is the same as 0/220 stamina.

+1

[Tanyon]

Originally posted by Oakshield:

Originally posted by The Big Brzezinski:

No rest bonus means no stamina, regardless of what you've eaten.

This the 2nd time I have to quote this post of yours. And you still deny that what you said here is that you don't have any stamina if you don't have a rest bonus; while it's not true?

Or are you coming up with a new "explanation" now.

All this wriggling you do make me think if you're a politician in RL.

Thorin :)

while he is technically wrong.. 50% increase in stam regent is almost mandatory.. it is PAINFULLY noticeable if you do not have rested bonus.

[Oakshield]

Originally posted by DarthTanyon:

Originally posted by Oakshield:

This the 2nd time I have to quote this post of yours. And you still deny that what you said here is that you don't have any stamina if you don't have a rest bonus; while it's not true?

Or are you coming up with a new "explanation" now.

All this wriggling you do make me think if you're a politician in RL.

Thorin :)

while he is technically wrong.. 50% increase in stam regent is almost mandatory.. it is PAINFULLY noticeable if you do not have rested bonus.

Thank you!

As I've said somewhere before, the resting bonus is very useful, especially during fights. But there are occasions - as shown in the screenshots I edited in later - you can perfectly do without resting bonus (or food) and still have stamina and its regeneration.

Just not when you go out to chop wood and only having eaten HP food, as the OP did.

Thorin

[The Big Brzezinski]

Now, there are times when you don't have a rested bonus. Perhaps you had to log back into a server in the field. Maybe you were somewhere you couldn't rest by a fire. Sometimes you simply get distracted. It happens.

For those times when you're stuck unrested in combat and have no stamina, tasty mead is a lifesaver. Unlike proper stamina mead, which gives you stamina directly from an effect, tasty mead supercharges your natural stamina regeneration. You can down one after all your stamina is gone to recover just like a rested bonus does, only faster. They're great for anytime you need a boost, whether you're unrested or hard pressed. They don't have a cooldown like stamina mead and are very cheap, so you might as well always have a stack. More stamina means more offense, after all.