Fish n' Bread - you should invest the time to make it. Fishing spoilers.

[Tiom]

I've seen a lot of comments about having to spend a bunch of time fishing previous fish for the bait system and fish n' bread not being worth it so I wanted to show that it isn't that bad.


This is the bait progression you need:

Bait->Mossy->Sticky->Stingy->Misty.

This is what is required to get you to catch the angler fish in mistlands. The angler fish are what is needed for fish n' bread Each production of bait is a batch of 40.

If you were to only make 1 batch of each type of bait not only are you able to get to fish n' bread you can make a ton of it before you ever need to go back further than stingy bait.

With 40 stingy bait you never have to fish anything prior to grouper (the fish to make misty bait) until you have used up 1600 misty fishing baits. (assuming you don't waste bait).

So as an example, You could go and catch 5 grouper and that will make you 200 misty fishing bait.

There is an upfront time investment needed for the food, and you also need the trophies, but its not as tedious as people are making it out to be. People are still going to make salad and that understandable since there are a lot of people who have good pre-established farms. Fish n' bread is still worth picking up the pole for every now and then though.

[Ataxio]

I find it to be a bit excessive and odd that it requires angler fish, an odd choice just in general. It does not seem like a very edible fish.

I ended up catching about 15 of them by hand, it's extremely easy to just push them up onto the shore and grab. No need for fishing.

Bizarre design choice. I guess it makes them rare and coveted to have but not by much. You can easily bypass never making fish and bread and use omelets or salads. But it's nice to have for bosses or whatever, tho I don't see the extra 5 points being very relevant.

One thing I've noted is that angler fish do not seem to be respawning in the same places once I've fished the area out. Making stockpiling this food item excessively difficult with little rewards in doing so beyond just being a collector.

[John]

Just go for a mushroom omelette or a salad, faster, cheaper and less annoying, especially the salad.

[eladswerdna]

Originally posted by John:

Just go for a mushroom omelette or a salad, faster, cheaper and less annoying, especially the salad.

Yeah, but what if we want to use all three? Great for base building/deconstructing/farming

[eladswerdna]

Thanks Tiom, we need more gamers like you!

[Ataxio]

Originally posted by eladswerdna:

Originally posted by John:

Just go for a mushroom omelette or a salad, faster, cheaper and less annoying, especially the salad.

Yeah, but what if we want to use all three? Great for base building/deconstructing/farming

The best food combo I've found for "housing around" is both the jerkies and bread. Whatever easiest to make really. But both boar and wolf jerkey give you two per run and are very simple to produce. Also give you solid stats for just loafing around the house and good regen.

[jonnin]

I think your #s assume you get 1 fish for every bait. That is NOT my experience in general.
You can't get enough of these guys to justify the time sink unless you enjoy fishing. In the time you can catch 1 stack of fish and bread, you could have planted and harvested the stuff to make (assuming you did something else while it grows) 20 or more stacks of salad.

I do recommend getting enough to make some for boss fights or even troublesome areas like the mines, but its just not worth it to me (and I do like to fish) to catch enough to eat this all the time.

[Tiom]

Originally posted by jonnin:

I think your #s assume you get 1 fish for every bait. That is NOT my experience in general.

Correct. Even if you ended up wasting some bait though you can easily end up with over 1000 misty fishing bait from 40 stingy bait.

Originally posted by jonnin:

I do recommend getting enough to make some for boss fights or even troublesome areas like the mines, but its just not worth it to me (and I do like to fish) to catch enough to eat this all the time.

I also don't think its worth it to make it all the time or for it to be your only stamina food. I just want people to understand that its not that bad to work your way through the fishing system to get the recipe. I also want them to see that the time investment to produce the bait required for the angler fish is not frequent and not that large.

It is definitely worth it for boss fights and the infested mines like you mentioned. Its not a bad choice if you want to run around mistlands hunting at night either.

[Dwarflord]

Originally posted by jonnin:

I think your #s assume you get 1 fish for every bait. That is NOT my experience in general.
You can't get enough of these guys to justify the time sink unless you enjoy fishing. In the time you can catch 1 stack of fish and bread, you could have planted and harvested the stuff to make (assuming you did something else while it grows) 20 or more stacks of salad.

I do recommend getting enough to make some for boss fights or even troublesome areas like the mines, but its just not worth it to me (and I do like to fish) to catch enough to eat this all the time.

Pretty much this. Went to the effort to get about 40 fish n bread for me and my wife for the Queen fights (we kill every boss twice). But otherwise, we use mushroom omelet and salad for general purpose stamina food in the Mistlands. Anywhere else, I just use bread. Actually I don't use any of it much anymore as I use 2 eitr foods and honey glazed chicken most of the time, as I have been doing the mage thing mostly as of late. Anyhow, Fish n Bread is mostly fine as it is. It's the absolute best, and if you want the absolute best stamina food, put in the work. If you're ok with something nearly as good, then there are much easier options that are nearly as good. It's definitely not worth it for routine use. But it's nice to have for when you want every advantage you can get.

[Foxglovez]

40 lox trophies and grouper for your 1600 bait. Too much grind for sure. Many folks are just using dev commands, but they never cop to that... just saying. Devs took fishing, which was at least a nice way to spend a little time admiring the scenery and turned it into something only a masochist could like which is a shame.

[RowlandofSC]

Originally posted by Foxglovez:

40 lox trophies and grouper for your 1600 bait. Too much grind for sure. Many folks are just using dev commands, but they never cop to that... just saying. Devs took fishing, which was at least a nice way to spend a little time admiring the scenery and turned it into something only a masochist could like which is a shame.

Well said. I agree.

[Asmosis]

It can take up to 15-30 minutes just to catch a single fish with how buggy fishing (and ocean collision in general) is. Even if you could just walk up and grab the fish, it'd still be a pain as they take 90 minutes to respawn and there's only 4-5 of them.

I spent about 2-3 hours fishing for them and got 7. Cooked a couple to learn the recipe and left it at that, never used them.

All that just for 5 more stamina, you could just sprint for 5 seconds less every 10 minutes and accomplish the same result.

Fishing is *only* worth it if you enjoy fishing itself as the end reward. Like catching a bunch to put in a pond for your base (yes, fish in inventory will swim again if dropped in water, not sure if they're persistent though).

[Tanyon]

You can also get really lucky I found a single herring in the swamps on land.. that herring allowed me to skip right to grouper.. 1 herring gave me 40 bait.. I stopped when I caught 10 groupers.. why? because that is 400 misty bait.. which is more.. actually WELL over more than enough to get all the angler fish you want. Angler fish are the easiest to see and catch also in my opinion.. I can go out usually they are in groups of 3-5.

In one hour I can get up to 20 or so.. well worth the time.

Also, more important than it being "just 5 stamina" it also last 5 minutes longer.. it IS the best stam food in the game. I find it extremely easy to acquire.

Even IF you didn't get lucky like I did.. you need exactly 1 perch, 1 troll fish to get 1 herring and be right where I was.

[Foxglovez]

One ulv tail from 4 very large frost caves. Pre this update my drop rate was much higher. Let's add more grind to it, go grind. This is from one who used to like fishing. 3 caves of the 4 I have explored have water... empty water, nothing, nada. Fishing is borked. And it doesn't matter that one food lasts longer, still need to get out of dodge at about 21 minutes. So, not helpful.

[Dennybo]

The fishing system sucks and is not worth it currently, It seems like something half thrown together with little thought but that's fine since there are many other things they need to focus on. I will give them the benefit of the doubt that they flesh out the fishing once more major objectives are taken care of. I love fishing in games but I wouldn't expect them to have a super fleshed-out fishing system at this point.

[Jaasrg]

isn't angler a deep sea fish? What is it doing on surface?