Too easy and too much resources?

[skydancer]

Yo bro, i like the game a lot, but i feel like you understand a biomes the game become a bit too easy.

If you go with fully upgraded gear of the previous zone into a new zone it's not a real challenge. There's also soo much resources in every biomes that you can upgrade quikly to new zone full gear in short time. With full gear that biomes become a joke.

What piss me off is the plentyfull of resources. I enter 10 meter inside black forest and i found 5 copper node. Enought to make all you need. Same if you choose the right swamp and soo on on mountain.

So basically i just explored 5% of the map and i've 100 times the rousource i need to fully upgrade everything.

Could we add some option to increase difficult and reduce resources?

It would be epic if also the AI could get an improvement, when you understand a mob they always do the same thing.

[Kampfar]

Originally posted by pipo.p:

Originally posted by skydancer:

Maybe ''the problem'' is that i don't care to build epic building and just stuck with core wood building. The iron for tool and armor and weapon is not much. I even craft the useless sledgehammer just for fun.

Imo, the "problem", which is not so a problem by the way, is that you aren't interested in exploring, whereas the game has a strong focus on exploration, with such seeded worlds and not much so-called "content" (= main quest = kill all bosses). If one stops exploration as soon as one gets enough materials to upgrade and then go for next boss, I guess that the game doesn't leave the same impression, indeed. If one likes exploring, then having not enough, or too much resource on D day is not a problem.

What are you actually exploring? Every biome contains same exact stuff and you know exactly what you gonna get from each enemy that you kill or a tree that you cut? + The stuff you get from some of the biomes becomes obsolete so there is no point going back to some of them.
Why would i go back to mountain biome once i defeat the boss and get the silver?
Why would i return to dark forest once i beat the boss and mine few spots for resource?
Exploration in Valheim is useless.

[Silverlight]

Originally posted by Kampfar:

Originally posted by pipo.p:

Imo, the "problem", which is not so a problem by the way, is that you aren't interested in exploring, whereas the game has a strong focus on exploration, with such seeded worlds and not much so-called "content" (= main quest = kill all bosses). If one stops exploration as soon as one gets enough materials to upgrade and then go for next boss, I guess that the game doesn't leave the same impression, indeed. If one likes exploring, then having not enough, or too much resource on D day is not a problem.

What are you actually exploring? Every biome contains same exact stuff and you know exactly what you gonna get from each enemy that you kill or a tree that you cut? + The stuff you get from some of the biomes becomes obsolete so there is no point going back to some of them.
Why would i go back to mountain biome once i defeat the boss and get the silver?
Why would i return to dark forest once i beat the boss and mine few spots for resource?
Exploration in Valheim is useless.

Minecraft would seem short if all you did was get diamonds and defeat the ender dragon.

You could do all that in 4 hours.

There's still enjoyment to be had mining in Minecraft even after you have a full diamond set.

It can still be fun to roam the swamps even if you don't need lilypads.

Games like Valheim involve light player roleplay.

People want to be vikings trekking across a mountain to build a cabin.

Then they want to build a road from that cabin to the coast.

Then they want to build a boathouse and sail to a new coast
... Where they build a bigger house... A longer road.

You can happily do this for hundreds of hours.

Games like DayZ and Ark are meant to be sweaty PvP lite MMOs with dedicated long lasting servers that form communities.

Valheim is more like Stardew Valley, Minecraft or No Man's Sky.

It's a game that values a zen solo experience.

The front-loaded Dark Souls style bosses are a bonus not the main gameplay

[GunsForBucks]

Frankly what the game offers me is RNG map generation.

This makes for a unique world each time.

If all you do is play one world and one character it is no wonder you don't understand the diversity of the biomes in how resources are placed relative to other biomes and resources.

You scout and explore to find logistical solutions to leveling. This isn't something you can learn and do in one playthough.

If all you want to do is level up one guy and beat all the bosses then you should have waited to get the game when it was finished. I advise people of that all the time. Do not get the game if all you want to do is "win" and move on. The game isn't finished and won't be for some time.

Meanwhile the rest of us who may like to build or enjoy exploring, for whatever reasons, can appreciate what the game has to offer.

I think you can really miss out on what this game has accomplished if you only play one world and character.

[pipo.p]

I didn't play Minecraft. In Valheim, I like discovering geography (landscape), sometimes find place where to build a tower, or a house in the trees, or just an outpost, because I find this fun and relaxing. Yes, the world is RNG, but landscape elements, spawners, and biome intrication (or proximity) change everytime.

I might get bored with my current world on day, but how could I when I get more than 1000 in-game days and just start preparing to explore some swamps, with only three big islands explored? It's certainly the way I play and immerse in this game. I had the same approach with other games with a very strong exploration component, that were scripted (Morrowind, GW2). Valheim is the first open, rng game for me.

[Kampfar]

Originally posted by Midnightbyte:

Originally posted by Kampfar:

What are you actually exploring? Every biome contains same exact stuff and you know exactly what you gonna get from each enemy that you kill or a tree that you cut? + The stuff you get from some of the biomes becomes obsolete so there is no point going back to some of them.
Why would i go back to mountain biome once i defeat the boss and get the silver?
Why would i return to dark forest once i beat the boss and mine few spots for resource?
Exploration in Valheim is useless.

Minecraft would seem short if all you did was get diamonds and defeat the ender dragon.

You could do all that in 4 hours.

There's still enjoyment to be had mining in Minecraft even after you have a full diamond set.

It can still be fun to roam the swamps even if you don't need lilypads.

Games like Valheim involve light player roleplay.

People want to be vikings trekking across a mountain to build a cabin.

Then they want to build a road from that cabin to the coast.

Then they want to build a boathouse and sail to a new coast
... Where they build a bigger house... A longer road.

You can happily do this for hundreds of hours.

Games like DayZ and Ark are meant to be sweaty PvP lite MMOs with dedicated long lasting servers that form communities.

Valheim is more like Stardew Valley, Minecraft or No Man's Sky.

It's a game that values a zen solo experience.

The front-loaded Dark Souls style bosses are a bonus not the main gameplay

So what you are saying, when the game lacks content, you find fun in building your pointless house, that is connected to a pointless road that leads to a pointless boat? Where is the actual value in that? Taking selfies of what you built? That is not gaming and equals staring at a blank wall.

Pretending to be a potato graphic Viking is not gaming. If you like to play pretend games then play some games that are themed that way, don't label garbage to be something that it's not.

[Silverlight]

Originally posted by Kampfar:

Originally posted by Midnightbyte:

Minecraft would seem short if all you did was get diamonds and defeat the ender dragon.

You could do all that in 4 hours.

There's still enjoyment to be had mining in Minecraft even after you have a full diamond set.

It can still be fun to roam the swamps even if you don't need lilypads.

Games like Valheim involve light player roleplay.

People want to be vikings trekking across a mountain to build a cabin.

Then they want to build a road from that cabin to the coast.

Then they want to build a boathouse and sail to a new coast
... Where they build a bigger house... A longer road.

You can happily do this for hundreds of hours.

Games like DayZ and Ark are meant to be sweaty PvP lite MMOs with dedicated long lasting servers that form communities.

Valheim is more like Stardew Valley, Minecraft or No Man's Sky.

It's a game that values a zen solo experience.

The front-loaded Dark Souls style bosses are a bonus not the main gameplay

So what you are saying, when the game lacks content, you find fun in building your pointless house, that is connected to a pointless road that leads to a pointless boat? Where is the actual value in that? Taking selfies of what you built? That is not gaming and equals staring at a blank wall.

Pretending to be a potato graphic Viking is not gaming. If you like to play pretend games then play some games that are themed that way, don't label garbage to be something that it's not.

I feel sorry for you.

[skydancer]

I hope this thread don't degenerate into an opinion war. I just ask for some easy options to model the game more into my cup of tea. I think that devs already have that in mind. In future update we could find some option when you create a world where you can apply your preference.

I would also like that there's one secret spot in every biome that let you create some magic final equipment. This would force you explore all the map until you find every secret spot.

Btw when you explore a small part of a biomes where you can find all the metal you need you don;t need to explore anymore the same biomes and just move on.

[PakaNoHida]

Originally posted by skydancer:

Btw when you explore a small part of a biomes where you can find all the metal you need you don;t need to explore anymore the same biomes and just move on.

There is that hyperbole again.

[us271934-Слава Україн]

Originally posted by skydancer:

I hope this thread don't degenerate into an opinion war. ...snip, snip.....

This thread STARTED as an opinion war with the op throwing the first punch.

[electricdawn]

You seem to be very proud of your "logic". And you are maybe a troll. Not decided yet.

[fiese Fee™]

Originally posted by Kampfar:

Originally posted by Midnightbyte:

Minecraft would seem short if all you did was get diamonds and defeat the ender dragon.

You could do all that in 4 hours.

There's still enjoyment to be had mining in Minecraft even after you have a full diamond set.

It can still be fun to roam the swamps even if you don't need lilypads.

Games like Valheim involve light player roleplay.

People want to be vikings trekking across a mountain to build a cabin.

Then they want to build a road from that cabin to the coast.

Then they want to build a boathouse and sail to a new coast
... Where they build a bigger house... A longer road.

You can happily do this for hundreds of hours.

Games like DayZ and Ark are meant to be sweaty PvP lite MMOs with dedicated long lasting servers that form communities.

Valheim is more like Stardew Valley, Minecraft or No Man's Sky.

It's a game that values a zen solo experience.

The front-loaded Dark Souls style bosses are a bonus not the main gameplay

So what you are saying, when the game lacks content, you find fun in building your pointless house, that is connected to a pointless road that leads to a pointless boat? Where is the actual value in that? Taking selfies of what you built? That is not gaming and equals staring at a blank wall.

Pretending to be a potato graphic Viking is not gaming. If you like to play pretend games then play some games that are themed that way, don't label garbage to be something that it's not.

If you have fun while doing pointless things, it`s not pointless.

[BadAssAtron]

i am shocked..... when you learn the game... the game gets easier....

[Rogue Devil]

I hear what you're saying. We need a "Wild Hunt" mode where Odin comes down from the skies leading his horde. To herald his arrival a horn shall resound throughout all the lands.

And then every biome's monsters will attack your homebase in waves. Surviving that, finally, comes Odin and his Feral Knights. Forget about standing your ground. Survive the hunt. You are the Prey. And the chase is all. It lasts one entire night, you can't sleep, you can't gate and the waters turn against you, even sea is no escape.

Your soul belongs to the Hunt!!

Ragnarok has come.

[fiese Fee™]

Originally posted by Kampfar:

Originally posted by fiese Fee™:

It`s hard to understand, no problem, but i respect your wrong opinions.

It is not an opinion.
You literally wrote: ''If a stupid person does stupid stuff then it is no longer stupid.''
That's the end of discussion for me. GL HF

You missed the "fun" part, but told ya it`s hard to understand. No problem.

[Rogue Devil]

Dude's mental or trolling. This is a game. And games are about entertainment. Different people have different metrics on fun.

Only an arrogant tool thinks there's only way to enjoy something.

So why argue with a tool? In my experience, it's a waste of time in trying to convince said tool...or fun and entertaining if you enjoy the back and forth.

See, some people even get off on that.

And now you made it dirty. Pretty soon they'll be stripper poles and greydwarf strippers in the game with modders like you lot.