Any advice for being corpse-camped by a boss and adds?

[Illusori]

Managed to get myself into a bit of a bind, being corpse camped by Moder, a stone golem, and 3-4 wolves.

My corpse recovery gear is now on a corpse not even on the mountain top near my original corpse. My backup corpse recovery gear is next to that corpse.

I'm getting nuked from 200+ health at this point and have lost all will to play the game. Just moving around the terrain to get near to my corpse leaves me drained of stamina and a sitting duck: I use the run stamina power I die immediately, if I use the damage resist power I'm too immobile to escape death.

Any suggestions other than give up and try to recraft my gear before an invasion decides to add the cherry on top?

[Nefrarya]

That's not gonna help you now, but re: the save system - there are backups of your last session stored as .old files (world and character) that you can use to replace, let's call them "unfortunate accidents that totally weren't anyone's fault winkwink".

[ginyu549]

Origineel geplaatst door KingKickAss:

Moder is a pain to deal with, but there's a little trick for getting your body back in general when it has a lot of enemies around it.

You get this buff called "Corpse run" the moment you pick your stuff up and I believe it lasts one minute? You get incredible health regeneration while thats running, so if you eat a lot of good food that buffs up your health(Assuming you would be one shot otherwise), you can potentially be unkillable until it runs out because you out heal the damage. Its at least something to think about, for example, Bonemass can't kill you in full iron while you have corpse run. You could stand in front of him and attack while not moving.

This *might* help.
You can arrange to die and drop a new corpse marker at a convenient spot (just jump off a cliff with like 1 blueberry in your inventory or something like that), then you can eat a bunch of stam food and use Eikther power and grab your blueberry from the corpse marker and poof, almost infinte stam for a short bit.

With all that stamina you can practically float up the mountain and run almost anywhere without getting tired. (at least for a little while).

You'll also have the corpse run buff to your health regen.

I saw this trick used by the guy who holds the world record speed run for the current version of Valheim. He soloed every boss with basically only a helmet (since that doesn't slow move speed) and used campfires and bonfires to kill most of the bosses. (he used a bonfire to kill Moder after digging the little hole beneath the alter like someone above mentioned).

Anyway, it will probably still be tricky, but I hope this helps.

[Mharr]

Origineel geplaatst door captainamaziiing:

Cheat. Use devcommands.

Someone asks for advice on how to play the game and you say "don't"?

[electricdawn]

@captainamaziing: No. They're not silly. Getting your gear is as easy as being properly prepared.

Put down a portal where you break new ground that connects directly to your home base. If you die, just re-spawn at your base, eat your best buff food, plop through the portal and make a run for your gear NAKED. The naked part is important. You can grab your gear with one keypress, get the corpse run buff, that will allow you for one minute to sprint as fast as you can, and just return through the portal to your base.

Job done.

I speak of lots of experience in dying in this game. ;)

[Nascarman]

Origineel geplaatst door captainamaziiing:

Cheat. Use devcommands. Fly to your corpse. Get your gear. Mobs can't see you when you are flying. The death mechanics in this game are silly. Get your gear. Play on.

If you suggest people just cheat for their gear when they die, why don’t you just tell people to play in permanent god mode? Might as well make it impossible to die if you want to cheat past the repercussions.

[Illusori]

Origineel geplaatst door Nascarman:

Origineel geplaatst door captainamaziiing:

Cheat. Use devcommands. Fly to your corpse. Get your gear. Mobs can't see you when you are flying. The death mechanics in this game are silly. Get your gear. Play on.

If you suggest people just cheat for their gear when they die, why don’t you just tell people to play in permanent god mode? Might as well make it impossible to die if you want to cheat past the repercussions.

They're just offering me another option, and I asked for options. It's clear I'd made a few attempts before I asked for help.

"Hey, you sound like you're not having fun, here's a way past the part of the game that's causing you not to have fun so you can get back to enjoying the bits you do like." is a perfectly valid thing to suggest. My choice if I follow it after all.

At this point I've still died more often from falling off scaffolding than to enemy action, so I didn't prepare as adequately for Moder as I could have. My staging ground is a little too far, and I wasn't careful enough about where I fought and died to make sure I could get back.

Unfortunately that combination of carelessness and RNG bad luck has stacked so that the death is excessively punitive. If I'd made a backup save I'd totally just have save-scummed by now and tried again with proper preparation, so knowing about dev commands is a reasonable alternative to that.

[Nascarman]

Origineel geplaatst door Illusori:

Origineel geplaatst door Nascarman:

If you suggest people just cheat for their gear when they die, why don’t you just tell people to play in permanent god mode? Might as well make it impossible to die if you want to cheat past the repercussions.

They're just offering me another option, and I asked for options. It's clear I'd made a few attempts before I asked for help.

"Hey, you sound like you're not having fun, here's a way past the part of the game that's causing you not to have fun so you can get back to enjoying the bits you do like." is a perfectly valid thing to suggest. My choice if I follow it after all.

At this point I've still died more often from falling off scaffolding than to enemy action, so I didn't prepare as adequately for Moder as I could have. My staging ground is a little too far, and I wasn't careful enough about where I fought and died to make sure I could get back.

Unfortunately that combination of carelessness and RNG bad luck has stacked so that the death is excessively punitive. If I'd made a backup save I'd totally just have save-scummed by now and tried again with proper preparation, so knowing about dev commands is a reasonable alternative to that.

You asked for options other than to “give up.” He told you to give up. That’s not contributing to the discussion nor is it helping you.

Do not use dev commands under any circumstances (except for outside of regular gameplay). That’s my suggestion to you. Falling off scaffolding and dying is so trivial to avoid (fall damage is capped at 100, having over 100 hp makes it impossible to die by falling) that cheating because of it is a little silly. Instead of cheating, you should try and find away to avoid dying a lot, and if properly prepared can easily go hundreds of days deathless. My big suggestion (considering you die to fall damage) is to use 2 hp and 1 stamina food of current tier quality (once you get to the plains a sausage or skewer will do ok next to lox pie) and to keep yourself at least above 100 hp when doing anything that could result in death/damage.

[Bobucles]

Don't go anywhere without a well rested buff.
Tasty mead makes stamina recovery far more effective, and direct healing/stamina potions can pull some extra punch in a pinch.

Portals are your friend. Frankly, by the time you reach moder you should already have a large portal network. Keep an eye out for fire spouts, and gobble up birch trees in the meadows. There should be no reason to run up a mountain to recover a body, set up a portal somewhere handy. If it's exposed, dig a pit and build a portal there.

Unfortunately there isn't much you can do about repeatedly losing gear. Valheim combat is VERY gear dependent, and running around with no gear is asking to get demolished. The corpse run buff gives massive damage resist and running buffs, use and abuse it to collect your bodies one at a time.

Keep your base permanently surrounded by a fence. Most hazards can be harmlessly deflected with a good wall.

[Illusori]

Thanks for the advice everyone. After several days of trying and more deaths and two of my main bases ending up under siege from previously trivial creatures I couldn't effectively fight I was at risk of losing hundreds of hours of base building and decided this just wasn't fun and was spiralling out of control excessively punitively for a half-hour mistake while I was tired.

If I wanted to play a roguelike where you make one mistake and it's time to start-over from scratch I'd play a roguelike, not a basebuilding game.

Ended up using the dev commands to fly round my corpses and gather my gear back up. Moder can rot up on that mountain, all I wanted was a blast furnace.

Whole experience has left a bitter taste in my mouth tbh. There's so much that Valheim has done right to avoid the toxic punishment mentality that the genre has fallen in love with since Ark, but this part they've still not got right.

Kicking people when they're down is just wrong.

[electricdawn]

My apologies, but you should not have ANY issues with mobs below the biome you're currently at.

I'm not trying to tell you "git gud", because I hate that phrase myself. But maybe you should ask yourself, what you possibly might be doing wrong? I just found out today that I could enter the swamps with just troll gear, the swamp appropriate buff food and a bronze atgeir and stun-parry draugrs.

Same thing with two-star grey dwarf brutes! I did not know that I could stun lock these previous pain of my existence with a bronze atgeir.

So, I suggest you might start working on your combat prowess. I am testament to this as I can still learn new things even after almost 500 hours played in this game.

Hey, I'm old. ;)

[Illusori]

Origineel geplaatst door electricdawn:

My apologies, but you should not have ANY issues with mobs below the biome you're currently at.

That perfectly applies IF YOU HAVE ANY GEAR.

It doesn't apply when you've got 4 sets of gear stuck up out of reach up a mountain being corpse-camped, and while you're trying to craft something new your base gets invaded, and then you escape to another base and that starts being attacked before you even find where your supplies are, so you end up running around in circles trying to build a stone axe while being swarmed by greylings that were trivial and can now one shot you.

I literally got nuked back to the stone age.

And it's fine to say all this could have been avoided, my point is that it wasn't avoided and it wasn't RECOVERABLE without basically fleeing my bases entirely and starting over from nothing as my steps to recovery.

While I COULD have done that, since obviously I'd done it before to get to that stage of the game in the first place, no part of the experience was enjoyable at this point and it was hugely overkill as a "punishment" for a few minutes carelessness on a boss fight.

[Nascarman]

Origineel geplaatst door Illusori:

Origineel geplaatst door electricdawn:

My apologies, but you should not have ANY issues with mobs below the biome you're currently at.

That perfectly applies IF YOU HAVE ANY GEAR.

It doesn't apply when you've got 4 sets of gear stuck up out of reach up a mountain being corpse-camped, and while you're trying to craft something new your base gets invaded, and then you escape to another base and that starts being attacked before you even find where your supplies are, so you end up running around in circles trying to build a stone axe while being swarmed by greylings that were trivial and can now one shot you.

I literally got nuked back to the stone age.

And it's fine to say all this could have been avoided, my point is that it wasn't avoided and it wasn't RECOVERABLE without basically fleeing my bases entirely and starting over from nothing as my steps to recovery.

While I COULD have done that, since obviously I'd done it before to get to that stage of the game in the first place, no part of the experience was enjoyable at this point and it was hugely overkill as a "punishment" for a few minutes carelessness on a boss fight.

Corpse run is like pseudo-wolf armor in terms of how much it protects and requires dying with a single thing in your inventory to get so I don’t see how any of your items weren’t recoverable using that strategy. But nah, easier to cheat with flying and god mode, right? Why try unique strategies when /fly exists? Claiming your items weren’t recoverable and blaming the game for is bad taste, the game gave you ways to work around it yet you weren’t interested in putting in the effort in getting your items back legitimately. Perfectly ok, just don’t blame the game for it.

[Skylar]

So how did you go?

[Behind_You]

Origineel geplaatst door Illusori:

Managed to get myself into a bit of a bind, being corpse camped by Moder, a stone golem, and 3-4 wolves.

My corpse recovery gear is now on a corpse not even on the mountain top near my original corpse. My backup corpse recovery gear is next to that corpse.

I'm getting nuked from 200+ health at this point and have lost all will to play the game. Just moving around the terrain to get near to my corpse leaves me drained of stamina and a sitting duck: I use the run stamina power I die immediately, if I use the damage resist power I'm too immobile to escape death.

Any suggestions other than give up and try to recraft my gear before an invasion decides to add the cherry on top?

Go in the day, then eikthyr + Health-Stam-Stam food stack. Sneak as close as possible, then dodge all ice attacks from sky, jump up the cliff to avoid the wolves and just kite everything and grab your loot. Having a shield would also greatly help for when the wolves occasionally get close.

I'm not sure how bad the boss is making it but if you can sneak in a build crafting tables around it might despawn the enemies, or at least prevent them from coming back.

[electricdawn]

The problem is that you used up gear you shouldn't have been using (naked corpse run ftw). You also didn't properly eat up (IMHO the biggest sin in Valheim, the game will punish you appropriately), or otherwise greydwarves wouldn't have posed a problem even if naked. AND lastly you left your base, which is a no-go during an invasion.

You made several crucial errors in this game that you should've learned about by the time you thought you could handle Moder.

1. Eat up properly (MOST important rule).
2. Never leave a base during an invasion. Except trolls. Kite them away and shoot them with a lvl 1 crude bow and wooden arrows. Works. If you have EATEN properly with stamina food.
3. Eat up properly.
4. Do naked corpse runs ONLY.
5. Eat up properly.
6. Set up portals everywhere. During my fight with Bonemass I had a portal like 50 meters away from his spawn skull. I pretty much led Bonemass around the skull for the whole fight. When he managed to kill me, I just jumped through the portal PROPERLY FED, and just grabbed my gear and head back through the portal. Donned my armor, head back into the fight and smashed Bonemass to... glibber.
7. You can fight almost anything when you're properly fed. On the other hand, no armor in the world can save you if you haven't eaten the proper food.

See, where I'm getting with this?

Anyway, I'm really sorry that you have this much trouble with a game. Maybe you should step away from it for a few days, do something else, then come back with a fresh mind.

I hope I could help at least a little bit with my... rant. ;) Good Luck.