Endgame Food

[SillyMedic.ttv]

I believe that the cost for endgame food (flour products) is too high or should give more then 1 piece. 10 flour for 1 loaf of bread is too much. 2 lox meat for the lox pie is too much as well. either leave it at the same cost and give us 4 of it or reduce the cost please.

[AllOutWar76]

Considering lox drop 2 meat per kill I think it's fine. What I really think needs adjustment is the small flour stack size compared to the raw barley stack size.

[Chaoslink]

Originally posted by AllOutWar76:

Considering lox drop 2 meat per kill I think it's fine. What I really think needs adjustment is the small flour stack size compared to the raw barley stack size.

I tend to get 4-5 meat per, 2 is for hides. The cost really isn't that bad because it isn't food you should be eating constantly. With fully upgraded padded armor, you really don't need anything better than Swamps tier like Sausages and Turnip Stew. The costs help keep older tier foods relevant all game.

[AllOutWar76]

Originally posted by Chaoslink:

Originally posted by AllOutWar76:

Considering lox drop 2 meat per kill I think it's fine. What I really think needs adjustment is the small flour stack size compared to the raw barley stack size.

I tend to get 4-5 meat per, 2 is for hides. The cost really isn't that bad because it isn't food you should be eating constantly. With fully upgraded padded armor, you really don't need anything better than Swamps tier like Sausages and Turnip Stew. The costs help keep older tier foods relevant all game.

You're right, I was confusing with hides. That makes it even more than fine considering you can get 2 pies for one lox and the amount of lox you can kill with 1 pie buff gives you huge returns on time spent. I also agree about not needing better food. I currently still use carrot soup, turnip stew and sausage. If i need to take out large fuling camps then I'll use lox pie, fish wraps and serpent stew. Honestly I even use the lower tier stuff fighting bosses as they are easier than 2 star berserker fulings IMO.

[Scase is KING of Narwhals]

Originally posted by Ivara Ara:

Not really a problem, the thing that irks me is that fact i can't use lox mean in my sausages instead of normal meat. The only ''end game''(there is none yet) food that is a pain for me is the fish wraps, getting that fish is annoying.
Not to mention some of the ratios of payout is a bit...weird, yes i am looking at you serpent stew

Fishing is ridiculously tedious and boring. Like I get it, fishing is boring as ♥♥♥♥ IRL but man it's sooooo boring and slow in valheim.

[AllOutWar76]

Originally posted by XartaX:

Originally posted by Chaoslink:

Thing is, its all about what combinations of food can be had when you only have three slots to eat. Even if two Lox meats cooked are better in the long term, you can't combine their effects simultaneously and the Lox pie is objectively better overall. Fish Wrap, Serpent Stew and Lox Pie give a total of 80,80 twice and 60/90 giving a total of 220 health and 250 stamina. You can't reach those numbers on Lox meat given the three slots.

You shouldn't be making all your Lox Meat into pies anyway (not that you are). Every food, whether its a base ingredient or final product, has a purpose. Some are best combined into other things. Some are good to eat before combining it into the better form. It all depends on why you're eating it.

You can eat more than 3 slots.

How?

[AllOutWar76]

Originally posted by XartaX:

Originally posted by AllOutWar76:

How?

By eating it. Certain food falls under a shared category where you can't eat more of the same. As long as they don't you can keep on eating. I regularly eat more than 3. Only 3 will show up in the "slots", but if you look at the hunger bar to the right of the slots you will see it is colored in with more than 3 colors after eating more.

Unless you are using console commands that doesn't work as I tried it when I first started playing. You get a you are full message.

[AllOutWar76]

Originally posted by XartaX:

Originally posted by AllOutWar76:

Unless you are using console commands that doesn't work as I tried it when I first started playing. You get a you are full message.

You do if you try to eat another food in the same category, yes.

You sure you aren't mixing that bar up with partially digested food? When you food bar starts blinking that means you can eat more food of any type and the colors of what you already ate will be there until you digest. I even tried it again. Trying to eat berries twice says you cant eat any more of that type, trying to eat mushrooms says you are full.

[kampfer91]

After toying with these " end game " foods , i came to comclusion they are not worth to make due to 2 things : horrible number of rare ingredient needed + number of final result ratio , overkilled hp buff .
The first one is probably the reason why many think they are bad . I always advocate for equal farming effort should give equal result , however in many games like Ark , there is this problem of you spending a lot of time farming / breeding just to beat a boss that grant you rewards you probably not gonna use much due to its having of some sort of major draw back.
In valheim , while boss reward managed to evade that trap , unfortunately , flour tier food walk right into it . 4 flours per recipe , barley give 2 wheats which mean you gotta double the amount of barley you grow or else you will harvest less by the next crop growing cycle , not to mention wheat proccessing highly depend on how strong is the wind , thus even prolong the farming time.. Lox and sea serpent , depend on your luck , can be hassle to obtain theirs meat . Lox certainly dont respawn as fast as deers , i have been observing them and killed them , indeed Lox will respawn in the same spot but will take long time while deer take 2 days in game. A deer take 1 wood arrow to kill while a Lox will take many arrows from Draugh bow . A deer can provide 2 turnip soups or 4 sausages ( or both if it is 1 star deer above ) constantly while a Lox strictly provide 2 cooked Lox meats or 1 pie so have to make a choice. 2 foods from 1 source is better than 1 high quality food from a long respawn , hard to kill source . The effort vs reward ratio is just that horrible for Flour tier food .
Speaking of food buff , yes over 200 hp sound great but you have padded armor , serpent shield and Frostner . 2 items greatly reduce damage taken while the latter destroy undead and can effectively CC group of goblin on plain. They wont kill you fast while you can easily dispatch them which make large pool of HP gained from high quality foods redundant . Cooked meat , turnip soup and sausage will serve you well enough while still letting you roam free looking for something to dig , gather and kill.

So you see , i would rather have this great effort mean great reward . As of now after done cooking flour tier foid , instead of " i did a good job , i deserve these tasty treats " , it is " crap , the output so low , may be i should store them for important events which i probably not gonna do anytime soon", why a game would make you feel bad and hestitate to use food item ?

One suggestion i would give is to increase the output of flour type foods , currently they are just too low to be compensated by your effort to gather them , and heck this game havent finished yet , i doubt they are even end game foods .

But hey , that is just my opinion on this .

[Cunsoom All Chimkin]

Idk whatcha mean bro, I have a barley farm and 4 windmills and I always have flour. All the other food in the game is basically obsolete cause I just eat Serpent Stew, Lox Meat Pie, And Fish Wraps all the time. If Im out of serpent meat then its Blood Pudding. But I legit have at least one large storage container full of flour at all times.

[Cunsoom All Chimkin]

Originally posted by Darkmoon Gwyndoline:

Idk whatcha mean bro, I have a barley farm and 4 windmills and I always have flour. All the other food in the game is basically obsolete cause I just eat Serpent Stew, Lox Meat Pie, And Fish Wraps all the time. If Im out of serpent meat then its Blood Pudding. But I legit have at least one large storage container full of flour at all times.

Also bread is trash and not worth making at all.

[Tenoshii]

Originally posted by kampfer91:

After toying with these " end game " foods , i came to comclusion they are not worth to make due to 2 things : horrible number of rare ingredient needed + number of final result ratio , overkilled hp buff .

Definitely agree with your supporting rationale on input vs. output. However, the one thing I'd add as it relates to "overkilled hp buff" is that I think that's the intended progression of a player entering a zone with gear/consumables vs. completing a zone with upgraded gear and new consumables.

I suspect that the consumables that come from the Plains are balanced for use as the player progresses into the next biome (or perhaps the Plains boss) rather than something to be regularly consumed for the purposes of use for non-boss content in the Plains. The player will likely use it to stack the deck in their favor when they first explore the biome that comes after the Plains.

[Chaoslink]

Originally posted by kampfer91:

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So you see , i would rather have this great effort mean great reward . As of now after done cooking flour tier foid , instead of " i did a good job , i deserve these tasty treats " , it is " crap , the output so low , may be i should store them for important events which i probably not gonna do anytime soon", why a game would make you feel bad and hestitate to use food item ?

One suggestion i would give is to increase the output of flour type foods , currently they are just too low to be compensated by your effort to gather them , and heck this game havent finished yet , i doubt they are even end game foods .

But hey , that is just my opinion on this .

I think you're significantly exaggerating on the collection of Lox meat and its apparent difficulty. Using a max level Frostner and a Black metal shield I can kill 1 Lox with parry and attack cycle in maybe 20-30 seconds. With one 4 Lox herd meat drops are 4-5 per making 16-20 Lox meat that took maybe 3 minutes total. That's not really hard to do or all that rare.

My farm does take effort to harvest, often a full in-game day and another to replant, but it yields about 700 barley I can process after replanting. One harvest feeds a 4 man party for a few real days of playing. We have one person fish during that time and one hunt Loxes. In that time we have enough end game tier foods to last something like 15-20 playtime hours with 4 people consuming that food as needed. It really isn't so bad.

[Chaoslink]

Originally posted by Tenoshii:

Originally posted by kampfer91:

After toying with these " end game " foods , i came to comclusion they are not worth to make due to 2 things : horrible number of rare ingredient needed + number of final result ratio , overkilled hp buff .

Definitely agree with your supporting rationale on input vs. output. However, the one thing I'd add as it relates to "overkilled hp buff" is that I think that's the intended progression of a player entering a zone with gear/consumables vs. completing a zone with upgraded gear and new consumables.

I suspect that the consumables that come from the Plains are balanced for use as the player progresses into the next biome (or perhaps the Plains boss) rather than something to be regularly consumed for the purposes of use for non-boss content in the Plains. The player will likely use it to stack the deck in their favor when they first explore the biome that comes after the Plains.

Using a full stack of the best foods and the bonemass buff on rotation, a 3 man team can literally walk into a goblin camp and wipe it out in melee with about the same difficulty as taking on a bunch of greydwarves. So it can be useful in the plains, but it only seems necessary for melee focus.

[kampfer91]

Originally posted by Chaoslink:

I think you're significantly exaggerating on the collection of Lox meat and its apparent difficulty. Using a max level Frostner and a Black metal shield I can kill 1 Lox with parry and attack cycle in maybe 20-30 seconds. With one 4 Lox herd meat drops are 4-5 per making 16-20 Lox meat that took maybe 3 minutes total. That's not really hard to do or all that rare.

My farm does take effort to harvest, often a full in-game day and another to replant, but it yields about 700 barley I can process after replanting. One harvest feeds a 4 man party for a few real days of playing. We have one person fish during that time and one hunt Loxes. In that time we have enough end game tier foods to last something like 15-20 playtime hours with 4 people consuming that food as needed. It really isn't so bad.

But farming deer , turnip and entrail still more efficiency than trying to hunt the rare , slow to respawn Lox and farming wheat . Why yes you can use frostner along with good parry skill to beat them but they also hurt you a LOT if you not careful , they will take a lot effort to kill than deers . The number of arrow you use to kill Lox can be used to kill deer which yield more raw meats in the long run .

Turnip give 3 seeds which basically pay itself for turnip soup while you need 2 barleys / 4 flours for a pie and 5 of them for a single bread , barley will take more space than turnips .
700 wheat per harvest is overkill and waste of good space too , i assume you grow 350 barley per cycle , i won't ridicule you with that but with smaller space your turnip can sustain you a for a long time with less down time .

[Cunsoom All Chimkin]

Originally posted by kampfer91:

Originally posted by Chaoslink:

I think you're significantly exaggerating on the collection of Lox meat and its apparent difficulty. Using a max level Frostner and a Black metal shield I can kill 1 Lox with parry and attack cycle in maybe 20-30 seconds. With one 4 Lox herd meat drops are 4-5 per making 16-20 Lox meat that took maybe 3 minutes total. That's not really hard to do or all that rare.

My farm does take effort to harvest, often a full in-game day and another to replant, but it yields about 700 barley I can process after replanting. One harvest feeds a 4 man party for a few real days of playing. We have one person fish during that time and one hunt Loxes. In that time we have enough end game tier foods to last something like 15-20 playtime hours with 4 people consuming that food as needed. It really isn't so bad.

But farming deer , turnip and entrail still more efficiency than trying to hunt the rare , slow to respawn Lox and farming wheat . Why yes you can use frostner along with good parry skill to beat them but they also hurt you a LOT if you not careful , they will take a lot effort to kill than deers . The number of arrow you use to kill Lox can be used to kill deer which yield more raw meats in the long run .

Turnip give 3 seeds which basically pay itself for turnip soup while you need 2 barleys / 4 flours for a pie and 5 of them for a single bread , barley will take more space than turnips .
700 wheat per harvest is overkill and waste of good space too , i assume you grow 350 barley per cycle , i won't ridicule you with that but with smaller space your turnip can sustain you a for a long time with less down time .

Lox might be harder to farm but the payout is that the food you make from them lasts for twice as long, so you need less. Highest food you can make with regular meat is sausages that lasts 1600 seconds and the buff is mediocre compared to Lox Meat Pie and Serpent Stew. I can kill a herd of Lox in like 2 minutes or less and its not that hard to find more. I can usually go out hunting in the plains and leave with like 40-60 lox meat before I go home. Which equates to like 20-30 Lox Meat Pies that comes out to about 800 minutes on the low end of having the lox meat pie buff running. In the time one set of my foods buffs are running I can easily kill enough lox to replace what I used and THEN some, and also have a barley farm growing in the meantime. Use one more buff up to go do some fishing and now I can Serpent Stew/Blood Pudding, Lox Meat Pie, and Fish Wrap all the time. I almost never use early game foods now. I keep a stack of carrot soup on me just when I want a slight stamina boost and dont wanna eat 3 food buffs just to run around a bit.